FF9 is also the first video game where I remember being genuinely annoyed by cutscenes and overly long bad dialogue, another sign of things to come for the franchise.
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10 is garbage and so are its fans (like most/all final fantasy)
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:10 is garbage and so are its fans (like most/all final fantasy) Every game is the worst game in the series.
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# ? Mar 4, 2015 13:53 |
Like when the FF4 DS port was being made, one of the devs gave an interview where he explained that he felt like you could get away with cliched and hammy storytelling when you had it as little sprites who fall over and disappear to show that they died and short dialogue. People would get the core of what you're conveying and fill in the blanks. But if you start going on and on and having lavishly produced cutscenes and extremely long dialogue sequences, suddenly people are gonna just examine your story in detail and all the flaws are going to stand out. You're not making the storytelling better by doing this, you're just making it take up more space in the experience.
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# ? Mar 4, 2015 13:59 |
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i found a chocograph of the last page of talking about ff9 and its a pic of the goatman
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# ? Mar 4, 2015 14:10 |
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hubris.height posted:i found a chocograph of the last page of talking about ff9 and its a pic of the goatman "I heard you should look for the ring, kupo..."
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FactsAreUseless posted:Giant Canyon
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Bicyclops posted:were any of the mana games any good after secret of mana? that's one of my favorite snes games but i think it's only because of the 2P functionality Secret of Mana is one of the best games ever made, and then Seiken Densetsu 3 and Legend of Mana have a few obnoxious fans out there that scream their names from the rooftops so I guess they're good for some people? I didn't like them though Literally nobody in the world, ever, likes a single Mana game besides those though. Even the super big numbered release, Dawn of Mana/Seiken Densetsu 4 on PS2, was junk. Remember how in like 2004 realistic physics engines started being a thing and every game started licensing Havok and had to shoehorn in a weight puzzle or something to show it off? Dawn of Mana was S-E's "WE JUST DISCOVERED HAVOK WOWZERS" game, only a few years too late. It was bad and nobody likes it. And then there was a shovelware roguelike and a shovelware RTS and they're all bad bad bad and nobody likes Mana games from beyond the 90's. Kind of like everything else Square-Enix does. gay skull fucked around with this message at 14:51 on Mar 4, 2015 |
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gay skull posted:Secret of Mana is one of the best games ever made, and then Seiken Densetsu 3 and Legend of Mana have a few obnoxious fans out there that scream their names from the rooftops so I guess they're good for some people? I didn't like them though
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# ? Mar 4, 2015 14:52 |
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secret of mana is in fact a great game and final fantasy x isn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be. it has some bad sidequests and whoever directed the voice acting had no idea what they were doing. the story is perfectly fine video game fodder, as is the sphere grid system. it takes a little too long to get off the ground, which is par for the course for final fantasy.
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# ? Mar 4, 2015 15:03 |
FF1-6: Boring. FF7: Nice for its time. FF8: Garbage story, but otherwise fun. FF9: Boring. FFX: Last good Final Fantasy game. FFX-2: lmao FF12: Single player MMO = garbage. FF13: Pretty bad. Never played any of its sequels.
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# ? Mar 4, 2015 15:12 |
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Man I forgot FFIX also had that stupid end boss that comes out of nowhere and quotes Star Wars of all things. The more I think about FFIX the dumber it sounds.
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# ? Mar 4, 2015 15:19 |
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1 - pretty good for its time, compared to similar games like dragon quest. obviously way too much grinding by today's standards 2 and 3 - i forgot about these ones, i never played them really 4 - good for its time, glitchy as all hell toward the end, to the point where you have to save before leveling 5 - preposterous in all ways but the job system is really, really fun 6 - one of the best at keeping you engaged 7 - it's pretty good but has too long of an aggravating tutorial in midgar and most of the sidequests, including chocobo racing, are tedious 8 - let's you screw around with the mechanics really quickly but stops being interesting after you get eden 9 - i already said 10 - it's good. 12 - actually decent. it took the fact that the games basically play themselves during combat (with all the work being beforehand, setting up contingencies and leveling trees) and took that to its logical conclusion.
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# ? Mar 4, 2015 15:24 |
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Bicyclops posted:1 - pretty good for its time, compared to similar games like dragon quest. obviously way too much grinding by today's standards im sorry about your severe, crippling video game autism
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# ? Mar 4, 2015 15:25 |
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i will not have my enjoyment for video games be called autism in this, the games chat thread.
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Bicyclops posted:i will not have my enjoyment for video games be called autism in this, the games chat thread. your enjoyment is good, your insulting of chocobo racing, a fine art for adults and children of all ages, is unacceptable, and i will duel you at dawn with a nerf gun.
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gay skull posted:Secret of Mana is one of the best games ever made, and then Seiken Densetsu 3 and Legend of Mana have a few obnoxious fans out there that scream their names from the rooftops so I guess they're good for some people? I didn't like them though I liked Dawn of Mana. And Final Fantasy Adventure, Secret, SD3, & Legend. That DS game wasn't even a roguelike, the stages were just boring prefabs.
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Bicyclops posted:7 - it's pretty good but has too long of an aggravating tutorial in midgar and most of the sidequests, including chocobo racing, are tedious
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# ? Mar 4, 2015 15:30 |
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ff14 is great as far as mmos go which makes it the best in the series because the other numbered ones aren't even that good as far as rpgs go
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# ? Mar 4, 2015 15:30 |
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Chocobo racing didn't get good until Chocobo Racing, the game where you race as a golem or Squall.
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smdh...
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A Spider Covets posted:smdh...
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# ? Mar 4, 2015 15:33 |
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Golden Goat posted:Tape down dash button. Leave room. Win race. You also need to tape down L and R2, but yes, and then you have to do it like forty times to get your chocobos to S rank so they can breed proper. i also wish that the three hardest to get materia were not the ones you win from winning A and S class races, which are not even very good materia but things like Sneak Attack.
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# ? Mar 4, 2015 15:33 |
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there was never a good final fantasy game
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# ? Mar 4, 2015 15:34 |
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FactsAreUseless posted:smdh... holy poo poo what the fcuk!??!???? the old switcheroo!!
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Bicyclops posted:You also need to tape down L and R2, but yes, and then you have to do it like forty times to get your chocobos to S rank so they can breed proper. i also wish that the three hardest to get materia were not the ones you win from winning A and S class races, which are not even very good materia but things like Sneak Attack. Cram good greens down it's throat and it'll never lose stamina before the race ends. Alternatively don't bother racing to raise rank and just savescum to get a gold chocobo.
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# ? Mar 4, 2015 15:37 |
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Third World Reggin posted:there was never a good final fantasy game
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# ? Mar 4, 2015 15:47 |
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:I keep trying to play Tactics and forgetting about it an hour or two in. I feel bad because theoretically I should love it. What's the best version, March Games Chat Thread?
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:I keep trying to play Tactics and forgetting about it an hour or two in. I feel bad because theoretically I should love it. What's the best version, March Games Chat Thread? The PSP version. Try Tactics Ogre too.
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# ? Mar 4, 2015 15:49 |
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Ambivalent posted:im going to get a bit wordy just because I really like 10 and I think it gets maligned pretty hard... 10 is a lot like 7 in that the Tidus in the game is completely different from the Tidus of everyone's memory. He's a goofy fratboy from a decadent society so of course he dresses weird and acts silly. The fact that so many people don't get that the whole point of infamous "laughing scene" is that it's supposed to be awkward says it all.
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FactsAreUseless posted:PS1 version with the translation patch that applies the PSP translation Or the PSP version with the patch that fixes the slowdown that was added because Square-Enix sucks. What's wrong with the PSP version other than that?
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# ? Mar 4, 2015 18:47 |
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gay skull posted:Or the PSP version with the patch that fixes the slowdown that was added because Square-Enix sucks.
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# ? Mar 4, 2015 18:49 |
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gay skull posted:Secret of Mana is one of the best games ever made, and then Seiken Densetsu 3 and Legend of Mana have a few obnoxious fans out there that scream their names from the rooftops so I guess they're good for some people? I didn't like them though sword of mana is ok i guess, since its a remake of an old good game instead of being a new poo poo game
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Lurdiak posted:Like when the FF4 DS port was being made, one of the devs gave an interview where he explained that he felt like you could get away with cliched and hammy storytelling when you had it as little sprites who fall over and disappear to show that they died and short dialogue. People would get the core of what you're conveying and fill in the blanks. But if you start going on and on and having lavishly produced cutscenes and extremely long dialogue sequences, suddenly people are gonna just examine your story in detail and all the flaws are going to stand out. You're not making the storytelling better by doing this, you're just making it take up more space in the experience. This is really the fatal flaw of modern cinematic games. A person who is bad at writing can still create something enjoyable if they stick to the absolute basics and tell simple stories with one-dimensional characters, as long as those characters stick to that one dimension and don't talk too much. But if that person is given the tools or the budget to create something more, they're inevitably going to try because they never have enough self-awareness to realize that they're bad at story-telling. Every person responsible for writing video games should be forced to look at themselves in a mirror every morning with "You are not good enough to write in any other medium" painted on the mirror in big bold letters. Except Kojima, because he owns and should make movies.
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# ? Mar 4, 2015 19:27 |
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for real though, FFTactics is one of my favorite games of all time.... Version is a hard question because the PS1 translation is really really rough in some spots and some concepts are just flat out not conveyed well at all, but the Lion War (PSP and iOS) translation got really worked to crank up the 'knaves' and 'thous'. I did like how it turns political squabble/succession crisis -> being used by the church to advance its power -> being used to advance political power -> actually being used to advance magical power, it is like a huge cynical double double feint that teaches you the world is poo poo and nobody believes what they say, everyone is exploited - even the exploiters - and our world is a sin-cursed hell should i spoiler that
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# ? Mar 4, 2015 20:49 |
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i would rather they stuck with the political and religious struggle for power because that was the most interesting part of the plot
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# ? Mar 4, 2015 20:53 |
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Ambivalent posted:for real though, FFTactics is one of my favorite games of all time....
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# ? Mar 4, 2015 20:54 |
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there is a meme video game, and it has been taken down because someone issued a DMCA for the ownership of a meme used therein. this is all news to me and i am blown away by it all.quote:EDIT: Some people want proof that I am who I claim to be (though I'm not sure why anyone would care to impersonate me), so I added a status update to my deviantArt that I haven't used in forever. http://whynne.deviantart.com/
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# ? Mar 4, 2015 20:55 |
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honestly i don't think meme run or the trollface person getting it taken down is remarkable enough to even discuss. the only thing i'd ever want to know is who approved it for the eShop to begin with
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Excels posted:honestly i don't think meme run or the trollface person getting it taken down is remarkable enough to even discuss. this is what i'm wondering. is there any standard for games that get on there? what other kinds of bizarre titles have made their way into the previously-unsullied e-shop
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