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goferchan posted:That is not a bad one-drop to topdeck, wow Also just realized how good it is against control. Dash means it doesn't get hit by a sweeper like Crux or Drown, they actually have to spend a Downfall or counterspell on it, which is just value town.
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Xir posted:SCG preselling Narset for $45. I only need one for my cube, but not at that price. That seems absurdly high. I honestly don't think she's that good unless a new deck appears for her to slot in. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Mar 4, 2015 |
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Mar 4, 2015 20:51
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SCG Sold out of preorders at 30, 35 and 40. lol
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qbert posted:Also just realized how good it is against control. Dash means it doesn't get hit by a sweeper like Crux or Drown, they actually have to spend a Downfall or counterspell on it, which is just value town. That Archwing Dragon value. That thing was one of the most obnoxious creatures to play against. mcmagic posted:SCG Sold out of preorders at 30, 35 and 40. lol "4 mana, has blue, new Jace??? Going to retire off my investment!!!" - people who order every PW
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Angry Grimace posted:I honestly don't think she's that good unless a new deck appears for her to slot in. Well I wasn't planning on preordering her unless she was $20 or so. I might have bit at that price, but $45 is stupid. There are more cards I need for cube that would have a bigger impact, particularly since I haven't started adding in any Planeswalkers yet.
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Mar 4, 2015 20:53
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Angry Grimace posted:Its not going to stick at even $20. I'd bet my marbles. 
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Mar 4, 2015 20:55
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Yawgmoth posted:I thought you already lost those. Well, let me rein that a bit - the set isn't gonna be opened as much as Khans without fetchlands, so she could stick at $20 for a lot longer than the PW from Khans did. But seriously, none of her abilities are good enough to justify switching to UW and none of them are even tailored toward control.
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Mar 4, 2015 20:57
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rabidsquid posted:That Archwing Dragon value. That thing was one of the most obnoxious creatures to play against. Nissa preordered at 15 bucks and was 30 for 3 months...
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Mar 4, 2015 21:06
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And G/B garruk was like $30 at release and barely touches $10 now. Rarely will walkers hold extreme, preorder value, they aren't usually good preorder bets.
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Mar 4, 2015 21:09
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mcmagic posted:Nissa preordered at 15 bucks and was 30 for 3 months... That means for the lucky few who saw this coming, they saved $60 over the ones who for whatever reason really needed a full playset and bought in at the high price. edit: Also I don't know anyone who gets full dealer value on like in print cards, but everyone talks like they do so I guess that must be a thing somewhere. rabidsquid fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Mar 4, 2015 |
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Mar 4, 2015 21:13
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mcmagic posted:Nissa preordered at 15 bucks and was 30 for 3 months...
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Mar 4, 2015 21:14
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mcmagic posted:Nissa preordered at 15 bucks and was 30 for 3 months...
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Fingers McLongDong posted:Thunderbreak Regent seems pretty playable. You get value out of it if the opponent attempts spot removal, curves into stormbreath and gives more value to stormbreath if they attempt to kill it before dealing with regent. Also trades with opposing stormbreaths. 4 mana for a 4/4 flier with upside is pretty good in red. Between the two phoenixes and two decent dragons, red has some good flying power going on right now. Also useful with Dragon Tempest, which is looking like not a nonsense card anymore. I also like Thunderbreak (which I misread until right this moment as "Thunderbeak," which I actually liked better). I looked around trying to find places to preorder, and only about half an hour ago found CFB had them up for $2.99. Not bad, so I ordered a set. Now CFB doesn't have them listed as in stock anymore, and now a couple of places on tcg do have them up starting at $9.99. I guess I'm glad I pulled the trigger immediately.
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Reminder that Tibalt was like a $20 preorder. Planeswalkers are always expensive as poo poo to preorder and the preorder price has little correlation to how good they actually are or what price they stabilize at. Starving Autist fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Mar 4, 2015 |
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mcmagic posted:Nissa preordered at 15 bucks and was 30 for 3 months... Yeah, but you can win the game with nothing in your hand but Nissa. (I'm not defending Nissa's price, either)
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Fingers McLongDong posted:And G/B garruk was like $30 at release and barely touches $10 now. Rarely will walkers hold extreme, preorder value, they aren't usually good preorder bets. More like never. I think after noticing every walker ever spikes to about $40 early on, places stopped making them available for cheap preorder.
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Mar 4, 2015 21:18
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I'm not going to be preordering Narset at 35 bucks or more. You're losing all the value there.
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Mar 4, 2015 21:19
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mcmagic posted:I'm not going to be preordering Narset at 35 bucks or more. You're losing all the value there. I'm the one arguing that she'll be good in Vintage, and even I'm not dumb enough to preorder her at that price.
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Chamale posted:More like never. I think after noticing every walker ever spikes to about $40 early on, places stopped making them available for cheap preorder. I preordered Sorin, Solemn Visitor for $10.50, because everyone tried to argue he sucks for not being as good as Sorin, Lord of Innistrad (a totally irrelevant card to the conversation). I sold those off for 30 bucks value (I actually traded them for Elspeth's + cards at that value) and then acquired more when they were 10 bucks again.
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Angry Grimace posted:I preordered Sorin, Solemn Visitor for $10.50, because everyone tried to argue he sucks for not being as good as Sorin, Lord of Innistrad (a totally irrelevant card to the conversation). I sold those off for 30 bucks value (I actually traded them for Elspeth's + cards at that value) and then acquired more when they were 10 bucks again. By the time he was done trading, he bought a huge house and two vintage decks, all from a $42 investment!
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Mar 4, 2015 21:28
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I once traded away a Scavenging Ooze for four Goblin Guides.
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rabidsquid posted:By the time he was done trading, he bought a huge house and two vintage decks, all from a $42 investment! And then I lost it all betting the farm that enemy fetchlands were in Dragons of Tarkir.
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Mar 4, 2015 21:31
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Will Narset's -2 work with Temporal Trespass? The card is going to the exile zone either way.
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Mar 4, 2015 21:40
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qbert posted:Will Narset's -2 work with Temporal Trespass? The card is going to the exile zone either way. My intuition is it works like when you whip back Ghost Dad. Maybe that's why they nerfed TT so hard...
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Mar 4, 2015 21:41
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qbert posted:Will Narset's -2 work with Temporal Trespass? The card is going to the exile zone either way. I think it works the same way Ghost Council worked with Whip of Erebos? You're replacing "Exile Temporal Trespass" with "Exile Temporal Trespass"
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Mar 4, 2015 21:42
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qbert posted:Will Narset's -2 work with Temporal Trespass? The card is going to the exile zone either way. -2, take another turn, rebound, TT is exiled and was a time stretch. Pretty cool. EDIT: whoops wrong post. EDIT2: whoops doesn't work. I blame PV Zoness fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Mar 4, 2015 |
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Angry Grimace posted:The issue, of course, is that DTK is a new "block," so they're less likely to do that the way they did with FRF. Jace and Dack are very different cards. You'd be correct in saying that Jace isn't as good as he would be because he's 4 mana to cast. He's still Jace.
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If a spell moves itself to another zone as a part of its resolution (as Arc Blade, All Suns' Dawn, and Beacon of Unrest do), rebound won't get a chance to apply.
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The answer is no, actually. It doesn't work. See the Gatherer ruling on Cast Through Time: 6/15/2010 If a spell moves itself into another zone as part of its resolution (as Arc Blade, All Suns' Dawn, and Beacon of Unrest do), rebound won't get a chance to apply. I wonder if the Exile effect was tacked onto Trespass for Narset? Otherwise it seems kind of a pointless restriction. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Mar 4, 2015 |
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It's the same reason you don't get to shuffle a Zenith back into your deck when you used Snapcaster to get it out of the graveyard.
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Angry Grimace posted:I wonder if the Exile effect was tacked onto Trespass for Narset? Otherwise it seems kind of a pointless restriction. Maybe, but this wouldn't be the first time they've done that, see Temporal Mastery. It makes sense as a catch all to prevent abuse. rabidsquid posted:It's the same reason you don't get to shuffle a Zenith back into your deck when you used Snapcaster to get it out of the graveyard. I don't see the connection, intuitively I don't understand why it shouldn't work like the Obzedat/Whip interaction. Flashback overrides everything else and says the spell is exiled, so obviously you won't shuffle in a Zenith. Whip says you have to exile the creature if it would leave the battlefield for any reason, and if that reason is it's being exiled by another effect, it just gets exiled by the effect. I don't see why this should be different (yes I understand that it IS by fiat but it seems more ad-hoc than anything you could arrive at on your own just by looking at the rules). Starving Autist fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Mar 4, 2015 |
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Angry Grimace posted:I wonder if the Exile effect was tacked onto Trespass for Narset? Otherwise it seems kind of a pointless restriction. Doesn't Wizards just make it a rule to exile every "Take and extra turn" spell these days? All the Commander players who have to deal with Time Warp complained.
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If you cast Treasure Cruise delving away all the other Cruises in your graveyard do you lose 10 to the new kolaghan?
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that is some busy as hell art, i'd like to see it blown up
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SCG has sold out of Narset at $45. Its FIFTY now.  Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:If you cast Treasure Cruise delving away all the other Cruises in your graveyard do you lose 10 to the new kolaghan? The delve is part of the payment. So no.
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Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:If you cast Treasure Cruise delving away all the other Cruises in your graveyard do you lose 10 to the new kolaghan? The cards aren't in the yard when the spell gets put on the stack so I am pretty sure you wouldn't.
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Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:If you cast Treasure Cruise delving away all the other Cruises in your graveyard do you lose 10 to the new kolaghan? Nope. Kolaghan's effect is put on the stack above Cruise, and all the other cruises have been delved away as part of the cost of casting Cruise.
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Angry Grimace posted:The answer is no, actually. It doesn't work. See the Gatherer ruling on Cast Through Time: Those aren't the same though, unless I'm forgetting what arc blade does. E: nm, I did 
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Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:If you cast Treasure Cruise delving away all the other Cruises in your graveyard do you lose 10 to the new kolaghan? No, because Kolaghan only affects creature/planeswalker spells? Edit: Wow, a lot of people above me don't know how the card works.
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replace TC with gurmag angler for the question then!!
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