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So what is the end result of this report going to be? Ferguson saying "oops I'm sorry this happened to you" and then nothing?
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Lemming posted:So what is the end result of this report going to be? Ferguson saying "oops I'm sorry this happened to you" and then nothing? They repealed several illegal fines during the DoJ investigation. So that at least.
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Mar 4, 2015 22:28
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All these report excerts tell me that I would die from rage if I actually take the time to read it holy loving poo poo they turned upholding the law into a loving business.
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Mar 4, 2015 22:29
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Legally, what can be done to the Ferguson P.D. if anything.
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Mar 4, 2015 22:31
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:All these report excerts tell me that I would die from rage if I actually take the time to read it holy loving poo poo they turned upholding the law into a loving business. There is basically something outrageous on every page. It is that bad. Like really, the fact that they were making racist "jokes" is the least upsetting stuff going on there.
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Mar 4, 2015 22:31
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Ralepozozaxe posted:Legally, what can be done to the Ferguson P.D. if anything. The report indicates it is A LOT bigger than just the PD; they were just the orcs to the greater evil of Mordor. But they could dissolve the police department and have another entity extend coverage until they reincorporate it at a later time. But that's really about all that is going to fix this, no amount of sensitivity training is going to help the fact the laws they are enforcing exist just so the government can plunder the community
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Mar 4, 2015 22:34
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I'm kind of out of the loop—was the investigation summed up in the report done following the Michael Brown case or are they independent of each other? Like, would this poo poo never (or much later) have been uncovered were it not for the Brown killing? If so, Jesus, how many other police departments is this stuff SOP at?
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Mar 4, 2015 22:35
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Ralepozozaxe posted:Legally, what can be done to the Ferguson P.D. if anything. It likely won't exist soon. If they comply with the justice department the city can't afford the department, if they continue the judgement against the city will bankrupt it. Wraith of J.O.I. posted:I'm kind of out of the loop—was the investigation summed up in the report done following the Michael Brown case or are they independent of each other? Like, would this poo poo never (or much later) have been uncovered were it not for the Brown killing? If so, Jesus, how many other police departments is this stuff SOP at? The report alludes to neighboring municipalities doing the same things so...
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Mar 4, 2015 22:35
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So is the Fed going to seize control of the Ferguson PD like they did the LAPD back in the day?
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Mar 4, 2015 22:35
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Seriously. I heard the Racist joke thing and I was kinda disappointed, as yeah it's tasteless as poo poo, but like I've made stereotypical jokes about races before among my peer group. It's wrong but that on the grand scheme of things is tame. Since that was what leaked I wasn't expecting too much. But Jesus Christ. I had to stop reading after the first like 10 pages or so. I literally started getting lightheaded and angry.
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Mar 4, 2015 22:35
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I find it pretty fitting that the DOJ's logo is a bald eagle that looks like it's about to take a big dump on the shield of justice
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Mar 4, 2015 22:35
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:I'm kind of out of the loop—was the investigation summed up in the report done following the Michael Brown case or are they independent of each other? Like, would this poo poo never (or much later) have been uncovered were it not for the Brown killing? If so, Jesus, how many other police departments is this stuff SOP at? I'm guessing like 90% or more.
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Mar 4, 2015 22:36
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:I'm kind of out of the loop—was the investigation summed up in the report done following the Michael Brown case or are they independent of each other? Like, would this poo poo never (or much later) have been uncovered were it not for the Brown killing? If so, Jesus, how many other police departments is this stuff SOP at? There was the DoJ investigation as to whether Darren Wilson violated Michael Brown's civil rights when he shot him; and then there is the separate investigation as to whether the police and local government violated the civil rights of the protestors (which expanded into the larger community due to reporting by WaPo at the time). Basically had they not killed Brown and had the protests the latter stuff that we are discussing would not have been brought to the light like this. Of course, if this stuff hadn't been going on the town wouldn't have been a powder keg prior to the shooting. And the indication is this is regular practice for the area. On top of that there have been reports for years about states, counties, and cities doing this stuff to make up for revenue loss after tax cuts (Virginia is a big example). And of course the black communities have been reporting this poo poo targeting them for years that people shrugged off. It is a widespread problem, if not one of the same degree everywhere. Fried Chicken fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Mar 4, 2015 |
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Mar 4, 2015 22:38
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So how are our friends and colleagues from across the aisle handwaving this?
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Mar 4, 2015 22:41
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zoux posted:So how are our friends and colleagues from across the aisle handwaving this? FERGUSON ON EDGE: Prosecutors consider criminal charges against Michael Brown family members...
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Mar 4, 2015 22:43
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Fried Chicken posted:Like, if they had any intellectual integrity and commitment to their principles at all, the GOP and the rest of the right would be going apeshit over this. It is exactly the sort of conditions they claim they fight against. The greater St Louis area consists of 90 municipalities. 90! That's 90 city halls, 90 duplicated services, dozens of police departments, dozens of licensing and registration agencies, etc etc. All this duplication and waste means they are desperate for revenue to fund all this. There is no system of accountability - it is a perfect storm for all kinds of abuse, waste, fraud, and generalized unfairness. So you get this setup where police go around competing with each other to shake down residents. Where new laws, rules, and regulations are created explicitly to shake down residents. Where any dissent is met with brutal violence and a rigged system to punish any who would speak out. Rights are routinely trampled in the name of seizing money to fund petty bureaucrats.  They only care about Federal and, to a lesser extent, State Government waste. The local government? No problem, since it's local it can't possibly be wasteful.
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Mar 4, 2015 22:43
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Holy poo poo Ferguson PD plays the meow game except with citations: https://twitter.com/antoniofrench/status/573231455033159680
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Mar 4, 2015 22:44
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Theoretically, how large of a temper tantrum will the right wing throw if the Ferguson PD is seized by the Fed or placed in financial limbo?
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Mar 4, 2015 22:45
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PupsOfWar posted:did u know people like you are a nontrivial part of the reason the rural poor vote Republican I was kidding, honestly. But why is that? Aren't most Americans spiteful?
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Mar 4, 2015 22:45
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zoux posted:So how are our friends and colleagues from across the aisle handwaving this? https://twitter.com/foxnews/status/573234626191216640 Also https://twitter.com/foxnewslive/status/573174863990419457
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Mar 4, 2015 22:45
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More:DOJ posted:In every canine bite incident for which racial information is available, the person bitten was African American. DOJ posted:For example, we discovered emails circulated by police supervisors and court staff that stereotype racial minorities as criminals, including one email that joked about an abortion by an African-American woman being a means of crime control. DOJ posted:The report stated that the acting prosecutor had reviewed the City’s “high volume offenses” and “started recommending higher fines on these cases, and recommending probation only infrequently.” While the report stated that this recommendation was because of a “large volume of non-compliance,” the recommendation was in fact emphasized as one of several ways that the code enforcement system had been honed to produce more revenue. DOJ posted:FPD officers routinely conduct stops that have little relation to public safety and a questionable basis in law. FPD officers routinely issue multiple citations during a single stop, often for the same violation. Issuing three or four charges in one stop is not uncommon in Ferguson. Officers sometimes write six, eight, or, in at least one instance, fourteen citations for a single encounter. Indeed, officers told us that some compete to see who can issue the largest number of citations during a single stop. DOJ posted:One commander told us, for example, that when he admonished an officer for writing too many tickets, the officer challenged the commander, asking if the commander was telling him not to do his job. When another commander tried to discipline an officer for over-ticketing, he got the same response from the Chief of Police: “No discipline for doing your job.” RACISM'S OVER GUYS There's always going to be the porcine blue line.
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Mar 4, 2015 22:51
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JT Jag posted:
Is there a version of this graph adjusted for population growth, i.e. government employees per capita or something like that?
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Mar 4, 2015 22:51
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:FERGUSON ON EDGE: Prosecutors consider criminal charges against Michael Brown family members... Literally the only link about it on the Drudge Report. Hillary's e-mail scandal is far far more important than civil rights that deal with bleaugh people. Oh and in other news, that was fast.
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Mar 4, 2015 22:54
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Popular Thug Drink posted:i think the point is that you have some unknowing crankness in you until society shifts in an unexpected direction and suddenly you're the dinosaur for thinking that implanting smartphone chips into infant skulls is bad and wrong I love how this is probably how our generation is going to dress as old people.
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Mar 4, 2015 22:55
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If the Ferguson PD did dissolve, wouldn't all of the officer's just get jobs at other PD's? Isn't that what happened to the PD Wilson worked at before?
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Mar 4, 2015 22:56
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Raenir Salazar posted:I love how this is probably how our generation is going to dress as old people. A lot of our generation dresses like that today, why would we stop?
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Mar 4, 2015 22:56
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:Is there a version of this graph adjusted for population growth, i.e. government employees per capita or something like that?
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Mar 4, 2015 22:56
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haveblue posted:A lot of our generation dresses like that today, why would we stop? I honestly don't know, I just assumed dressing like old people if what you do when you get older!
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Mar 4, 2015 22:57
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Literally the only link about it on the Drudge Report. Hillary's e-mail scandal is far far more important than civil rights that deal with bleaugh people. So wtf is he looking for? If he shows up he is going to be arrested and put on trial, and he is high enough profile by now that it won't be able to be some secret trial, it will have to be public. By "Fair Trial" does he mean "Trial where I have assurances the president will pardon me at the end"?
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Mar 4, 2015 22:57
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Ralepozozaxe posted:If the Ferguson PD did dissolve, wouldn't all of the officer's just get jobs at other PD's? Isn't that what happened to the PD Wilson worked at before? Hard to blackball cops like this when that color causes them to open fire so frequently.
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Mar 4, 2015 22:59
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zoux posted:So how are our friends and colleagues from across the aisle handwaving this? I dipped into a Hot Air comments section to see what the consensus is. There are three reactions: 1) It's Holder's DOJ thus lies. 2) Black people are criminals naturally. 3) A deliberate misreading: "The population heavily skews African American, of course they will comprise most of the arrests!" I can't help but note there isn't a lot of conservative commentary yet, at least not on the "professional" level, meaning outside of comments sections. This I suppose is that buffer of time during which they get their talking points aligned. e:  
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Mar 4, 2015 23:01
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The token conservative on my facebook just posted "DARREN WILSON VINDICATED" Meanwhile, NYC enacts sharia law. Can't wait to see the reactions to that.
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Mar 4, 2015 23:02
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Khisanth Magus posted:So wtf is he looking for? If he shows up he is going to be arrested and put on trial, and he is high enough profile by now that it won't be able to be some secret trial, it will have to be public. By "Fair Trial" does he mean "Trial where I have assurances the president will pardon me at the end"? Yeah its kind of telling he can't state exactly what element of a fair trial he's negotiating over, but the government refuses to give him.
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Mar 4, 2015 23:03
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haveblue posted:The token conservative on my facebook just posted "DARREN WILSON VINDICATED" "Indoctrinating our kids to like Muslim's because they get extra day's off from school for their holidays!" I want to see parents send their kids to school on these days in protest.
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Mar 4, 2015 23:09
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Here's a good conservative line. If Ferguson wasn't full of spend happy liberals, the police wouldn't issue more citations. So really, this is just a big government issue.
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Mar 4, 2015 23:11
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haveblue posted:The token conservative on my facebook just posted "DARREN WILSON VINDICATED" thats nice. Von Sloneker posted:I dipped into a Hot Air comments section to see what the consensus is. There are three reactions: my guess is alot of 3, a descent amount of 1 and a massive undertone of 2. I am curious how the FPD is going to try to cover their asses.
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Mar 4, 2015 23:24
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pengun101 posted:thats nice. Why would Ferguson PD care? No one is going to get in any trouble, and the Doj will just tsk-tsk at them until someone louder comes along yelling BENGHAZI and everyone will forget about it. Reminder that 6 cops who literally shot at black people like zombies in Dawn of the Dead won't go to jail.
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Mar 4, 2015 23:29
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Fried Chicken posted:Kindle version of Eric Foner's Reconstruction: America's Unfinished Revolution is only $3.79 now. Hell of a deal 
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Mar 4, 2015 23:45
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Dexo posted:I'm guessing like 90% or more. Yeah, have you guys never been to court or had to pay any kind of ticket/fine? The racial stuff is upsetting but everything else is only depressing in how unsurprising it is. Why does my $50 ticket have a $60 "court fee"? Because gently caress you, that's why.
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Lemming posted:So what is the end result of this report going to be? Ferguson saying "oops I'm sorry this happened to you" and then nothing? Ideally it's just the feds hauling off most of the city and police to some fedmax or a gas chamber, but realistically yeah don't expect much in the long term because even dissolving the PD isn't going to come close to fixing the root issue. Maybe if the Feds seize the entire greater metropolitan area and just clean house completely and start charging people under RICO or whatever they can for what was basically a city-wide shakedown nothing's going to get fixed. The DoJ needs the authority to issue employment bans to LEOs. IE: Most of Ferguson would receive temporary bans with the masterminds of this horrible poo poo being barred from any sort of law enforcement work for life. Including any elected positions like Sheriff.
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