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TSM or c9 will win playoffs regardless of standings because they're the only teams in NA that can reliably win best ofs though.
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Marin Karin posted:agreed. we should also end lcs now and get to the more important competition, piglet vs lustboy in brood war. Lustboy can make the lateral move to Starcraft pro, take down Flash in the WCS finals, and gain his power. Then he can retire to HotS and beat up Idra for the next few years.
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Short interview with GBM about his change in style and some stuff about the west He thinks Pobelter could do well in OGN out of all the NA mids, which is interesting.
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Sexpansion posted:I'm going to go ahead right now and say that I think either Liquid or TIP is going to be the #1 team at the end of the split. The last time I remember such confidence in this thread is when people were claiming that Dig was a lock in for 10th place. Keven. Just. Keven posted:TSM or c9 will win playoffs regardless of standings because they're the only teams in NA that can reliably win best ofs though. The worst part is TSM will lose a few games and people will act like they're the underdogs despite never missing a LCS playoff finals. Thinking back, the only teams to go to the playoff finals in NA are TSM, C9, and Coast. Hypocrisy fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Mar 4, 2015 |
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PlaceholderPigeon posted:Short interview with GBM about his change in style and some stuff about the west Pobelter already speaks the language and is really good and seems to be the most gated by his dumb team
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Mar 4, 2015 22:09
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He also absolutely creamed Korean solo queue recently and was in high challenger I am pretty sure.
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Mar 4, 2015 22:14
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On the one hand, you've got a promising young talent who speaks english and will play for peanuts compared to established players. On the other hand, you've got a hasbeen with a clearly unstable personality. Roll a 20.
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Marin Karin posted:agreed. we should also end lcs now and get to the more important competition, piglet vs lustboy in brood war. I think Lustboy said Piglet was briefly a SC pro, although he never played in any real significant matches. In the mean time we can watch Lustboy crush NA solo queue players in SC.
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Wat: https://www.facebook.com/winterfoxgg/posts/964792280198888 tl;dr: Altec to Support, Paragon (current coach) to ADC Why didn't they just bring back Gleeb? It seemed like that was a solid botlane.
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Mar 4, 2015 23:22
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Imagine has 4 loving games with the team and they're gonna bench him?
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That's a pretty huge conflict of interest to just have the coach replace one of the players in lineup. Like what the gently caress. "Scarra didn't like how Link played his signature Gragas in Week 9 so he's benching him for the playoffs and implementing a strict Scarra-only Gragas policy for all future CLG drafts."
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Libertine posted:That's a pretty huge conflict of interest to just have the coach replace one of the players in lineup. Like what the gently caress. Altec asked to switch, so this isn't really like that. It is weird that the coach is going to ADC though. Typical Pubbie posted:On the one hand, you've got a promising young talent who speaks english and will play for peanuts compared to established players. I am not sure how much of that is them not getting the sunk cost fallacy or how much is Keith still being in school and not being able to scrim as much / live in the house. edit: WFX Piglet incoming.
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Mar 4, 2015 23:33
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What's the point of being more vocal when no one can understand you Altec.
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Haha the gently caress is going on
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rabidsquid posted:I am not sure how much of that is them not getting the sunk cost fallacy or how much is Keith still being in school and not being able to scrim as much / live in the house. That's a good point and the only reason I can think of not to start Keith, but the press release made no mention of scheduling conflicts with school.
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Mar 4, 2015 23:40
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I guess WFX didn't want to be outdone by their Elements. 
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Just pointing out the Riot ESPN wanna be Prime Time League is coming on in one minute from this post.
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holy poo poo WFX what are you doing
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I really wanted to like WFX, but man, what the hell.
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Soooo... Why aren't more people playing Hecarim? He seems an INSANE lategame carry.
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Calax posted:Soooo... Why aren't more people playing Hecarim? He seems an INSANE lategame carry. Haven't seen him be a game winning carry in the top lane yet, seen him do well, but he can't hold a game on his own
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That Winterfox change is pretty strange. No idea what they're thinking or if it will work. Someone broke down CLG's early game to show how strong it is - amazing how much they get ahead early
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Calax posted:Soooo... Why aren't more people playing Hecarim? He seems an INSANE lategame carry.
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Hec needs to build expensive damage items to get rolling and if he gets behind he just fails a dive on the enemy carry and gets instapopped. A lot of succeeding on Hec is good tp coordination and most teams in the west don't have that.
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Disinterested posted:Hec needs to build expensive damage items to get rolling and if he gets behind he just fails a dive on the enemy carry and gets instapopped. A lot of succeeding on Hec is good tp coordination and most teams in the west don't have that. Even in Korea they often fail to make any TP plays with the Hecarim. Its a gamble and it sucks if it doesnt pay off.
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I've been thoroughly underwhelmed by every Hecarim I've seen so far except for Keane's insane game he played on it Mid back in Challenger Series ages ago. None of the recent top lane Teleport/Ignite Hecarim's have done anything impressive in my opinion.
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They've fed pretty impressively. (Altec you son of a bitch you were my flex.)
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it's loving garbage to play a tank right now because you don't do anything and also aren't ever that tanky but it's way too risky to play melee top that actually wants a damage item because you'll get swapped on and have 8 cs at 6 minutes. So hecarim is ok but ultimately he's too risky if you dont build straight tank and thats kind of lovely. Meanwhile you can be any ap that your mid laner didn't dibs and farm safely in a frozen lane. I think hecarim is really strong solo lane right now but you just aren't allowed to play it. In solo q you can get bodied by like some cheese stuff but you can really see the power.
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Keven. Just. Keven posted:it's loving garbage to play a tank right now because you don't do anything and also aren't ever that tanky but it's way too risky to play melee top that actually wants a damage item because you'll get swapped on and have 8 cs at 6 minutes. So hecarim is ok but ultimately he's too risky if you dont build straight tank and thats kind of lovely. Meanwhile you can be any ap that your mid laner didn't dibs and farm safely in a frozen lane. I think hecarim is really strong solo lane right now but you just aren't allowed to play it. In solo q you can get bodied by like some cheese stuff but you can really see the power. This is really the overall problem with pro top lane. Basically any top lane pick has to be comfortable with a possible lane swap dump getting taken on them which blows.
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That wouldn't be as much of an issue if pro teams were willing to aggressively counterswap and force the other team to take the conventional lane match ups, but they really value that dragon even though early on it isn't worth anything, compared to when it gave you gold. So the team that gets swapped on just takes the swap and takes dragon as the consolation prize and pro top laners get left with nothing.
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Libertine posted:I've been thoroughly underwhelmed by every Hecarim I've seen so far except for Keane's insane game he played on it Mid back in Challenger Series ages ago. None of the recent top lane Teleport/Ignite Hecarim's have done anything impressive in my opinion. The play in the Samsung vs. GE Tigers games last night was pretty solid, but definitely showed the weakness of getting behind.
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wodin posted:The play in the Samsung vs. GE Tigers games last night was pretty solid, but definitely showed the weakness of getting behind. I just finished watching that series now and I've caught up on all the LCK games now where he's been played. Watching him it seems like every fight starts with a ton of potential and then he gets to the backline but takes a lot of damage on the way, and he might be able to burst a carry faster than another top laner and get to them at speeds which are hard to react to, but then what? If the other team is tankier you basically just lose the outlast fight. He also really struggles in a lot of lane matchups and suffers from requiring a core item build that is really expensive. I also think Teleport/Ignite is really dumb universally, and I am not sure why anyone (even the pros doing it) think it's more valuable than running a second mobility spell (either Flash or Ghost) with Hecarim, both of which would help him get to the backline (or escape from) those tricky scenarios that define almost the entirety of his late game play.
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Avalon is clear and away the worst player on Winterfox so instead of having him replaced, Altec breaks under pressure trying to carry the two okay at best Korean imports they brought in and moves to support. Their coach was on IM during Season 2 and couldn't cut it as a pro player back then before becoming a coach. If Winterfox has the money, they should just throw it at players from Samsung. Maybe they can free Spirit and throw him in the top lane. Helios seems to have brought the CJ Entus stubbornness about roster changes along with him from Korea, huh?
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There are like at least three amazing Korean players WFX could probably import from China if they were willing (or able) to pay them. They could probably get Flame for the right price for god's sake.
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Winterfox is a team that should be putting everything in place to compete for the top of the NA LCS, but instead they are just doing all the most head-scratching things to compete for the floor of the division. They should have just absorbed the better parts of Fusion along with Gleeb after Fusion failed out of the CS. Get Gleeb and Maknoon, and if helios didn't like playing on a team without his brother just bring in the fuckin Nintendude. I just feel like Pobelter and Altec are extremely good homegrown NA players who are constantly surrounded by lovely imports weighing them down like loving anchors and I feel bad for both of those guys.
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