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you see, it is alright because they allow ethiopians to play in the army band. equality!
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Also I will never not find it hilarious how Israel's the most ironic state irt to its treatment of those it deems 'lesser'. Like lol dudes, your nation was literally founded b/c of the holocaust. WELP! Time to go invite suffering on others based on ethnoreligious grounds!!!
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Gravel Gravy posted:Hey guys I have been hearing reports of a genocide of black Jews. Does anyone care to comment? An NGO tasked with assisting Ethiopian Jews before their immigration to Israel had some of its doctors either force or mislead women about the necessity/health risks of using Depo Provera, a common long-term birth control therapy. There was a big outcry about it, and suggestions of a wide-ranged conspiracy, after which a high official in the Israeli Health Ministry clarified to doctors that they really, really need to make sure that their patients know what they're taking and why before they prescribe refills. This has become "Israel is literally genociding black Jews" in the eyes of low-information anti-Israelis. That's it.
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That sounds a lot like genociding black jews, tho.
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euphronius posted:That sounds a lot like genociding black jews, tho. No see it was just a small mixup because Israel can do no wrong, apparently.
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OH no it was an NGO. Welp, investigation over.
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nutranurse posted:Also I will never not find it hilarious how Israel's the most ironic state irt to its treatment of those it deems 'lesser'. It's not ironic if you think that the problem Jews had is that they weren't organized enough, well-armed enough, or had a territory to call their own, which is what Zionists thought the real Jewish problem was. Part of being highest on the totem pole is getting to poo poo on people below you. By the way, I don't want to suggest that Ethiopian Jews don't suffer absurd amounts of official and popular discrimination in Israel. There's been several lockouts at a long-term Immigrant Center down South of the country due to their conditions, exorbitant fees, and lack of prospects. They're underrepresented pretty much anywhere other than the lowest rungs of employment (if they are employed), and recently suffer the risk of being confused for those damned Sudanese Eritrean Muslim Christians out to kill whitey and being attacked by mobs for it. But those are actually verifiable claims that don't seem monstrous enough for some people, so you hear less of that and more "genocide  ".
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Venom Snake posted:why do you hate me so much
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Absurd Alhazred posted:some of its doctors either force or mislead women about the necessity/health risks of using Depo Provera Oh the irony.
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R. Mute posted:because you post bad to each according to his abilities my friend
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Absurd Alhazred posted:...genocide Well this is all the confirmation I need, thanks.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:An NGO tasked with assisting Ethiopian Jews before their immigration to Israel had some of its doctors either force or mislead women about the necessity/health risks of using Depo Provera, a common long-term birth control therapy. what about forcing ethiopians into the whole "prove you are really a jew via this battery of degrading tests" rigmarole
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Absurd Alhazred posted:An NGO tasked with assisting Ethiopian Jews before their immigration to Israel had some of its doctors either force or mislead women about the necessity/health risks of using Depo Provera, a common long-term birth control therapy. euphronius posted:That sounds a lot like genociding black jews, tho. seriously though it's a super hosed up thing to do, especially since it destroys the trust people have for doctors/healthcare/vaccinations/etc
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Mar 5, 2015 17:44
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Gravel Gravy posted:Hey guys I have been hearing reports of a genocide of black Jews. Does anyone care to comment? Guess who did it? Israel
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Absurd Alhazred posted:It's not ironic if you think that the problem Jews had is that they weren't organized enough, well-armed enough, or had a territory to call their own, which is what Zionists thought the real Jewish problem was. Part of being highest on the totem pole is getting to poo poo on people below you. I like how you can admit that a general culture of bigotry and hatred exists and is directed towards Israel's Ethiopian Jews, and yet find it impossible to think that some Israelis would take Israel's usual brand of hatred and elevate it to literal nazi levels of abuse. You don't get to make a society based on a racial/religious hierarchy and expect that everyone will be treated equally and/or at all as human beings! Israel's definitely made 0 strides in amending its literal white nationalist ways, man. And it's a loving shame considering what spurred Israel into creation, but, eh, humans are real short sighted when it comes to race/religious hatreds.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:It's not ironic if you think that the problem Jews had is that they weren't organized enough, well-armed enough, or had a territory to call their own, which is what Zionists thought the real Jewish problem was. Part of being highest on the totem pole is getting to poo poo on people below you.
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SedanChair posted:Guess who did it? Israel 
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if I recall, AA is and has been pretty critical of Israel on plenty of other things, so I'm inclined to at least accept they weren't genociding black jews intentionally and en masse. also please leave IP out of chat thread
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Mar 5, 2015 17:46
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Just a tiny bit of genocide.
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nutranurse posted:I dunno what you could argue for that would make Israel look good for that time they forced birth control and other sterilization methods onto their black immigrants exclusively, Absurd. Israel's an apartheid state, just own up to it! You'll be forced to within the next few decades! Are people really asserting that Israel isn't an apartheid state in this forum?
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R. Mute posted:because you post bad 
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euphronius posted:Just a tiny bit of genocide. Enough to season but not to rub. Just a bay leaf of genocide.
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fade5 posted:that's cause it sorta is It is not at all. quote:seriously though it's a super hosed up thing to do, especially since it destroys the trust people have for doctors/healthcare/vaccinations/etc Yeah, it is a breach of medical ethics and endangers public health. It is a bad thing. It's not genocide. I'm not letting people get away with misusing words for shock value, sorry.
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Mar 5, 2015 17:48
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euphronius posted:Just a tiny bit of genocide. as far as genocides go, mandatory but non-permanent birth control is the slow boat you have to admit.
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Matoi Ryuko posted:Are people really asserting that Israel isn't an apartheid state in this forum? Only an Israeli which, tbh, is fair. It's like, what else would you expect? How do you think your regular ol' German living in Nazi Germany would've rationalized all the poo poo they're doing?
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nutranurse posted:I like how you can admit that a general culture of bigotry and hatred exists and is directed towards Israel's Ethiopian Jews, and yet find it impossible to think that some Israelis would take Israel's usual brand of hatred and elevate it to literal nazi levels of abuse. It's not impossible. It simply is not the case. It's not a lack of imagination on my part, it's a lack of evidence on the part of the detractors. I refuse to believe things just because "well, it's possible, and Israel bad, so I will believe and defend it". It kills one's credibility.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:It is not at all.
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R. Mute posted:but forced sterilisation is pretty bad and monstrous, absurd I agree. That did not happen though, like, at all.
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I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of act I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["genocide"], and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the act of Israelis involved in this case is not that.
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R. Mute posted:what do you call a breach of medical ethics and the endangerment of the public health of a specific ethnic group? I call it racist. I don't call it "genocide" because as a Belgian, you should know that has a very specific meaning.
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does isreal force cutting of pony tails, if no why not
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Absurd Alhazred posted:It's not impossible. It simply is not the case. It's not a lack of imagination on my part, it's a lack of evidence on the part of the detractors. I refuse to believe things just because "well, it's possible, and Israel bad, so I will believe and defend it". It kills one's credibility. What about the testimonies of 35 ethiopian women who were forcibly treated with birthcontrol and not at all given an explanation of the risks or even its purpose? You don't need imagination when you've got the actual victims standing right in front of you talking about it!
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hey absurd how do you feel about the Palestinian Genocide?
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nutranurse posted:Only an Israeli which, tbh, is fair. It's like, what else would you expect? How do you think your regular ol' German living in Nazi Germany would've rationalized all the poo poo they're doing? I thought the rationalization for the German people was that they didn't know it was going on? I don't know really. But hey, who am I to judge, we threw the Japanese in Internment camps so how much better than Israel are we?
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forbidden lesbian posted:hey absurd how do you feel about the Palestinian Genocide? well you see its all a big misunderstanding nothing to see here
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ReidRansom posted:if I recall, AA is and has been pretty critical of Israel on plenty of other things, so I'm inclined to at least accept they weren't genociding black jews intentionally and en masse. Yeah, please. I'm going to stop now on my side of things. Sorry for contributing to yet another derail in the Chat Thread that is supposed to be about making fun of MIGF. 
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Matoi Ryuko posted:I thought the rationalization for the German people was that they didn't know it was going on? Yeah that's pretty discredited. But there's a difference between knowing the exact details, of course, and knowing bad poo poo is going down.
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you cant derail a chat thread this poo poo is off-road
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Matoi Ryuko posted:I thought the rationalization for the German people was that they didn't know it was going on? I don't know really. But hey, who am I to judge, we threw the Japanese in Internment camps so how much better than Israel are we? Well I'm a black american so I'm more or less de facto morally superior due to generational suffering, so I'm absolved of that guilt! But yeah, that japanese interment thing was pretty... not good. I still can't believe it happened and am kind of upset it's not something brought up more often, alongside the slew of other atrocities America's committed against its nonwhite citizens. 
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