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I tend to think the rapidly expanding surveillance state and pervasive corruption are important changes.
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:murder the rich. this but only until I'm rich, then stop.
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Mar 5, 2015 12:40
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Ratios and Tendency posted:I tend to think the rapidly expanding surveillance state and pervasive corruption are important changes. Re: surveillance were kinda hosed. Labour will be in on that just the same as National. Corruption not so much. Apart from Stuart Nash, Labour are relatively clean.
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Mar 5, 2015 14:45
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Lancelot posted:It's necessary even if your new job isn't pushing you into a new bracket. if you earn between $14k and $48k a year (ie most of the country) then your effective annual rate is somewhere between 10.5% and 17.5%. where exactly on that scale you fit depends on how much you earn, so we withhold more from the second job so you're not taxed as though you pay 10.5% tax and then whacked with a bill for double that at the end of the year. Well yea but the point is it's not an extra tax for having a second job - you get anything over and above what your marginal rate should have been back once you file a return.
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Mar 5, 2015 19:28
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oohhboy posted:I rather have poo poo Stirrer Winston than any National candidate. The thing is, we already have Winston in Parliament. Voting for him in Northland is a vote for <insert random name from the NZ First list here> + making National require 2 of the 4 votes from support parties to get anything done (which means Key either needs the Maori party OR Dunne + whoever the current puppet in charge of ACT is)
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Mar 5, 2015 20:04
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It weakens National which is fine by me. Even if it was the left in power, I don't mind Winston as he is great at stirring even if I am one of his perceived targets worthy of his bashing. When it comes to actual Laws and Policy he is harmless as he doesn't action them.
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Mar 5, 2015 20:20
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Butt Wizard posted:Well yea but the point is it's not an extra tax for having a second job - you get anything over and above what your marginal rate should have been back once you file a return. "Once you file the return" is the key. It's fine if you're earning above your expenses. Unfortunately unlike when the laws around secondary tax were last updated it's become more likely that someone with 2 jobs is still working less than 40 hours and for low wages. When you're living week to week and hand to mouth waiting for it to all wash out at the end of the year can be tough. It could be administered a lot more effectively basically.
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Mar 5, 2015 20:53
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Infotainment! posted:"Once you file the return" is the key. It's fine if you're earning above your expenses. Unfortunately unlike when the laws around secondary tax were last updated it's become more likely that someone with 2 jobs is still working less than 40 hours and for low wages. When you're living week to week and hand to mouth waiting for it to all wash out at the end of the year can be tough. It could be administered a lot more effectively basically. Yea, it's on the IRD's 'to-do' list along with streamlining provisional tax, which I do not miss at all.
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Mar 5, 2015 22:36
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bobbilljim posted:this but only until I'm rich, then stop. Nah, if you get rich after all the current rich are murdered you get the chance to repent and give it all away to schooling.
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Mar 5, 2015 22:38
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b-but, I have gone to school already, so the schools don't need any money.
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Mar 5, 2015 22:40
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Butt Wizard posted:Yea, it's on the IRD's 'to-do' list along with streamlining provisional tax, which I do not miss at all. How's their to-do list coming? In 2011-13 there was talk of a $1.5 billion upgrade else we risked catastrophic failure, but I've heard nothing since. Anyone know?
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Mar 5, 2015 22:45
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It's not like state schools are perpetually strapped for cash and desperate for resources. poo poo, teaching is an easy job and it's basically like babysitting, right? It's not like I'm responsible for the learning of over 100 kids, using my own money to acquire teaching resources or every-day things like stationery for the students or even occasionally acting as a social worker and/or counsellor for them, keeping an eye out for any red flags that may pop up that the school might have missed because some kids really keep poo poo that we should know about to themselves, or stay up until the wee hours of the morning assessing their work and providing them with feedback and constructive criticism or using my free time putting together activities for a Y10 class that are "mixed ability" but contain kids that have a reading age of about 5 that they can engage with, while trying to find ways to get them to try and read a novel. Nope.
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Mar 5, 2015 22:48
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dusty posted:How's their to-do list coming? They're still arguing about it. Although if this is any indication of how long it takes to get anything done.... http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/66868525/130m-child-support-it-blowout quote:Technical changes to implement child support reforms will cost $163 million, a cost blowout from the originally estimated $30m.
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Mar 5, 2015 23:02
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What if we didn't commit to a war overseas and used that money to help people in our own country?
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Mar 5, 2015 23:07
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Vagabundo posted:It's not like state schools are perpetually strapped for cash and desperate for resources. poo poo, teaching is an easy job and it's basically like babysitting, right? It's not like I'm responsible for the learning of over 100 kids, using my own money to acquire teaching resources or every-day things like stationery for the students or even occasionally acting as a social worker and/or counsellor for them, keeping an eye out for any red flags that may pop up that the school might have missed because some kids really keep poo poo that we should know about to themselves, or stay up until the wee hours of the morning assessing their work and providing them with feedback and constructive criticism or using my free time putting together activities for a Y10 class that are "mixed ability" but contain kids that have a reading age of about 5 that they can engage with, while trying to find ways to get them to try and read a novel. Nope. "Clawing back that school donation" - stuff.co.nz
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Mar 5, 2015 23:09
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:What if we didn't commit to a war overseas and used that money to help people in our own country?
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Mar 5, 2015 23:26
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Vagabundo posted:It's not like state schools are perpetually strapped for cash and desperate for resources. poo poo, teaching is an easy job and it's basically like babysitting, right? It's not like I'm responsible for the learning of over 100 kids, using my own money to acquire teaching resources or every-day things like stationery for the students or even occasionally acting as a social worker and/or counsellor for them, keeping an eye out for any red flags that may pop up that the school might have missed because some kids really keep poo poo that we should know about to themselves, or stay up until the wee hours of the morning assessing their work and providing them with feedback and constructive criticism or using my free time putting together activities for a Y10 class that are "mixed ability" but contain kids that have a reading age of about 5 that they can engage with, while trying to find ways to get them to try and read a novel. Nope. This is terrible and actually makes me feel glad I only have to do lifespan-reducing physical labour on machines for a pittance. Not an easy feat! I'm going to take a wild stab here and guess that the majority of teachers do not have your dedication to giving a poo poo; that was certainly the impression I got from highschool a decade ago.
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Mar 6, 2015 00:22
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:What if we didn't commit to a war overseas and used that money to help people in our own country? Only someone who was not a good, hard-working honest, New Zealander would suggest this.
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Mar 6, 2015 00:33
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Slavvy posted:
Teachers have been crying about buying stationary for decades. When they migrated from chalk to white boards back in the early 90s a whiteboard pen cost more than an hour's work at the minimum wage and most schools simply abdicated their responsibility to provide any. I remember my mum crying and crying over whiteboard pens, just couldn't afford them. (Mind you twenty years ago teachers were probably paid more relative to the labour market - those suckers keep settling for below-inflation wage adjustments cause it's all about the children or some other greedy deception) dusty fucked around with this message at 00:47 on Mar 6, 2015 |
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Mar 6, 2015 00:42
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Slavvy posted:This is terrible and actually makes me feel glad I only have to do lifespan-reducing physical labour on machines for a pittance. Not an easy feat! Dunno about secondary, but I've never met a primary teacher who didn't give a poo poo. Even the ones who I thought were lovely teachers for various reasons would do poo poo like what he's talking about. Its just part of the job, and I'm assuming secondary isn't much different. I think secondary teachers just get more poo poo because their students are a lot more aware of what they're doing as a teacher. The 8yo's I teach don't even fully realise I'm a separate person, they're often surprised to find out I don't live at school and that I'm paid to be there. voiceless anal fricative fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Mar 6, 2015 |
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Mar 6, 2015 01:09
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Slavvy posted:I'm going to take a wild stab here and guess that the majority of teachers do not have your dedication to giving a poo poo; that was certainly the impression I got from highschool a decade ago. Oh, what I described is every-day stuff. One of my Associate Teachers when I was a Student Teacher gave me a bit of advice that I see the value of every day - "Sometimes you just can't afford to care in this job." I've got kids with family members that were murdered, and there are times when my students take time off because of drama at home. The point my AT was making was that pretty much every kid walks into class with some sort of baggage, and when we start having to counsel them, it ends up bogging us down and it leads to burn out. If they've got issues, I will be mindful of them, but I can't let that dictate how I interact with them in class. Sometimes, that can actually be beneficial to them, because stuff like "I'm the kid with the dad that got murdered" doesn't end up becoming an albatross around their neck.
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Mar 6, 2015 01:37
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As you grow up you realize the teachers you hated at school because they were "assholes" probably had it worse than some moron loving kid who hated school did.
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Mar 6, 2015 02:19
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Butt Wizard posted:They're still arguing about it. The problem is that these IT quotes are always bare minimum and then the user wants additional changes made. I wouldn't be surprised that a lot of the additional costs are from "feature creep" at the clients requests. Happens here fairly often.
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Mar 6, 2015 02:37
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:As you grow up you realize the teachers you hated at school because they were "assholes" probably had it worse than some moron loving kid who hated school did. It helps to have a cynical sense of humour. Or at least, I've found that it helps. The guy who teaches in the room next to me gets pretty much all the dropkicks in his classes, and we've joked about how there might be a secret ancient dropkicks burial ground underneath his room which attracts all of them to his class.
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Mar 6, 2015 03:03
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It's clear from the article that's exactly what it is. The initial quote was more than likely just for adjustments to be made to the existing systems to comply with the 2013 reforms, with the new quote being for compliance with a completely different bill that has larger and more complex requirements and very likely requires a whole new system to be put in place. They got a quote for painting the house then decided they also wanted a deck and now everyone's making GBS threads the bed for some reason about being told that the wood is extra. e: and also saying WOW IT'S SO MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE THAN NOVOPAY when that cost us $182mil PLUS the $45mil repair bill that they seem to think was its price. Ghostlight fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Mar 6, 2015 |
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Mar 6, 2015 03:04
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Vagabundo posted:Oh, what I described is every-day stuff. One of my Associate Teachers when I was a Student Teacher gave me a bit of advice that I see the value of every day - "Sometimes you just can't afford to care in this job." I've got kids with family members that were murdered, and there are times when my students take time off because of drama at home. The point my AT was making was that pretty much every kid walks into class with some sort of baggage, and when we start having to counsel them, it ends up bogging us down and it leads to burn out. If they've got issues, I will be mindful of them, but I can't let that dictate how I interact with them in class. Sometimes, that can actually be beneficial to them, because stuff like "I'm the kid with the dad that got murdered" doesn't end up becoming an albatross around their neck. Do you think there's any sort of quantifiable explanation for why some teachers are feared by even the worst classes whilst others get worn down to gibbering wrecks in a matter of days? BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:As you grow up you realize the teachers you hated at school because they were "assholes" probably had it worse than some moron loving kid who hated school did. Pretty sure the one that smacked me in the head and told me not to blaspheme in his class was an rear end in a top hat. Growing older has not changed my view on this.
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Mar 6, 2015 03:12
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The worst part about Novopay is that there were failsafes put in place when the contract was signed, that Parata removed because reasons, which probably would have saved a lot of time and dollars later. My sister in law also knows someone who works at Novopay and she said that her friend complained about a lack of patience from teachers and blah blah blah. It's like, gently caress you, pay me. It's out livelihoods you're loving with. You don't get a mulligan, you don't get a do-over. You get it right each time, every time and if you can't, then gently caress off and go do something else while someone who knows what they're doing takes over. All the Novopay-related poo poo would have been sorted in about two weeks if every single person underpaid were reimbursed from Steven Joyce, Hekia Parata and John Key's bank accounts.Slavvy posted:Do you think there's any sort of quantifiable explanation for why some teachers are feared by even the worst classes whilst others get worn down to gibbering wrecks in a matter of days? Some people are cut out for it, others aren't. I know it's a mundane answer, but there you go. Some of my colleagues are feared, like the Head of Maths here (he's actually a lovely guy, and there are a lot of students that actually quite like him). Personally, I prefer to just give them the consistency that they need, and let them run out of tricks. They know where the boundary is and if they step over, they will find there are appropriate consequences, but I rarely raise my voice and I rarely show any anger. I only ever use it as the nuclear option. Kids can be cunts and they'll say poo poo that will cut to the bone. There have been times where I've wanted to take a student out to the back and just beat the gently caress out of them but I don't. That doesn't mean we don't vent about our students, but I never give them the satisfaction of knowing whether or not something they said got to me. Mind you, I have also said things to them that they might have found upsetting. I did tell a Y12 student last year, for example, that if he was going to insist on acting like a little child, then there's a school up the road (a primary school, by the way) that just might be more his speed, and that in my classroom, I expect him to behave like a Y12 student. That same student did end up pushing things to the point where it was a choice between his wants and everyone else's needs because he decided I was "bullying" him (he wasn't doing any of his internal assessments in pretty much every subject, which meant he didn't have UE literacy, which would bar him from not only tertiary study, but also skilled work. As per required by Senior Management, he was flagged as an "at-risk" student, and I had to contact his mum. He got told off, and apparently I was entirely at fault for this and therefore, I was picking on him.) Long story short, he ended up dropping out and I've been told he's working at the local Pak n Save. edogawa rando fucked around with this message at 03:34 on Mar 6, 2015 |
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Mar 6, 2015 03:13
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Slavvy posted:
You probably shouldn't have been a blasphemer then!
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Mar 6, 2015 04:48
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Lancelot posted:isn't he like 12 years old? I lol'd
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Mar 6, 2015 05:37
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My sister is a teacher and she was told by her school that nova pay still don't think she paid back the $2000 overpayment from 2013 even though she did and I lol'd Nats can't handle new technology
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Mar 6, 2015 05:41
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Displeased Moo Cow posted:My sister is a teacher and she was told by her school that nova pay still don't think she paid back the $2000 overpayment from 2013 even though she did and I lol'd Technology is made by drat librls!!!
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Mar 6, 2015 06:01
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She's baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack 
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Mar 6, 2015 06:42
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Infotainment! posted:"Once you file the return" is the key. It's fine if you're earning above your expenses. Unfortunately unlike when the laws around secondary tax were last updated it's become more likely that someone with 2 jobs is still working less than 40 hours and for low wages. When you're living week to week and hand to mouth waiting for it to all wash out at the end of the year can be tough. It could be administered a lot more effectively basically. Don't forget the two extra poo poo things: 1) Every dollar you earn in your "second job" counts for Student Loan repayment and IRD recently changed the rules so you couldn't get these back despite the fact that you end up overpaying compared to people with one job 2) If you have two jobs you can at least have the tax rates setup so the one that pays you the most is your primary, however WINZ cannot deal with this and therefore money from WINZ has to be your primary, even if it is far less money than the job you are doing to try and get off a benefit. This means less money now (when you need it).
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Mar 6, 2015 07:18
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I really think the government needs an internal firm for building government websites and infrastructure. That kind of domain knowledge takes years to accumulate and contracting out is such a crapshoot.
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Mar 6, 2015 07:56
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab_MLnr1Q4I she's really good!
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Mar 6, 2015 07:58
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab_MLnr1Q4I She's got a really weird mix of heavy rural south and urban north and switches between the two, but I'd just assume she was from Tauranga and had cousins for parents or something.
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Mar 6, 2015 10:38
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Butt Wizard posted:She's got a really weird mix of heavy rural south and urban north and switches between the two, but I'd just assume she was from Tauranga and had cousins for parents or something. It weirds me out when she drops the accent and uses her normal American accent, then is back into NZ
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Mar 6, 2015 10:41
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:It weirds me out when she drops the accent and uses her normal American accent, then is back into NZ Yea it was like I'd already associated her face with the type of accent she was going to have and when started talking completely differently I was thrown completely. If she had talked in her Kiwi accent the whole I wouldn't have noticed anything off about it.
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Mar 6, 2015 10:45
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A friend of mine had a super broad kiwi accent but had actually only lived in NZ for three years (when I met her), and English wasn't even her first language. Some people kinda have a knack for accents.
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I met a Swiss girl who learnt English here and now has a nz accent which amuses me Also pretty much everyone I meet thinks I'm British based on my accent which is also lol because I was born and bred in the north island [superior non racist island]
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