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I love Alex Ross so much. His characters look real, but super at the same time, and it's very apparent how much love and attention he puts into every bit of his work. Kingdom Come in particular is a masterpiece and you should read it, if you haven't already.
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Android Blues posted:In fairness, while this holds true for the men on that page (roughly), the women depicted by and large originally didn't look fit, they looked like Barbies. Check out Darwin Cooke's Wonder Woman, she makes Superman look like a twelve year old when they're next to each other.
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Mar 7, 2015 00:14
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I'm a huge fan of Ross as well and for me it's because his style is very much iconic. It's been said before but his main inspiration is Norman Rockwell:  See the use of lighting? The photorealistic anatomy and physical atributes? The tableau and use of framing? It's all done to evoke this sense of iconography. I have a book of Rockwell artwork and his strength is in his photo-realism. But it's not realism for realism's sake, the realism is to humanize his subjects. And in that humanization, it helps us, the audience, to project and relate better to the persons in his illustrations. Moncoromatic skintones notwithstanding, of course. Ross' art style is the closest thing to Rockwell's aesthetics that I have seen yet. Benny the Snake fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Mar 7, 2015 |
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Mar 7, 2015 01:06
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Ross is very good at what he does, and that sense of iconography is it, which means there's a narrow range of narrative that his art can support. I still think Marvels is his crowning glory. There's a smallish panel in issue... 3? I think, of Gwen Stacy in the rain after an attack by Namor, which is just breathtaking.
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Mar 7, 2015 01:09
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I really liked how Pat Gleason drew WW in Batman and Robin. 
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Mar 7, 2015 01:11
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Teenage Fansub posted:I really liked how Pat Gleason drew WW in Batman and Robin. Finally looks like she has some muscle.
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Mar 7, 2015 01:32
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I like Ross for covers and posters and such, but as an interior artist, I find his work way too static and posed.
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Mar 7, 2015 02:18
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Only time I didn't like Ross was his Galactus in Marvels. The scale with him obviously being a guy in a suit was a real downer when compared to his gorgeous rendition of the FF. EDIT: Can we talk about how great his Fantastic Four looks? Open Marriage Night fucked around with this message at 05:20 on Mar 7, 2015 |
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Mar 7, 2015 03:46
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poorlifedecision posted:Finally looks like she has some muscle. Her nose seems the best change.
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Mar 7, 2015 05:40
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Teenage Fansub posted:I really liked how Pat Gleason drew WW in Batman and Robin. I realise Batman and Judge Dredd have had adventures, and people can compare the two and so on and so forth... But Bats is looking a lot more Dredd-ish than usual.
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Mar 7, 2015 06:09
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Those redesigns seem to assume that superheroes ought to be physically realistic, which frankly has some disturbing political implications. It also sidesteps one of the most important feminist critiques of the superheroine. Of course, in the context of contrast this isn't really an issue, since the point is to highlight obesity as a public health issue, but I don't really think that they'd be a good basis for altering current characters.
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Die Laughing posted:Only time I didn't like Ross was his Galactus in Marvels. The scale with him obviously being a guy in a suit was a real downer when compared to his gorgeous rendition of the FF. His FF are actually what I envision when I dream of my period piece Fantastic Four movie trilogy that will never ever happen.
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Effectronica posted:Those redesigns seem to assume that superheroes ought to be physically realistic, which frankly has some disturbing political implications. Could you elaborate a bit?
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zoux posted:But he does use realistic body images and types and to me it can look like cosplayers. I like a little stylization in my comic book art. There's a reason that costumes that look amazing on the pages don't look great when they try to adapt them to live action, and that's because comic book characters are built differently than irl people are. That can be explained pretty easily. Gold and Silver Age characters wear what are essentially circus leotards. Like, I think the thickest piece of Batman's costume is the soles of his boots.
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Superstring posted:Could you elaborate a bit? Nazi propaganda posters.
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Mar 7, 2015 10:25
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To me the neatest and most distinctive thing about Ross's work, aside from the raw craftsmanship he piles onto his covers, is the way he draws and paints texture onto the costumes and materials. Almost nobody actually makes a character's outfit look like something a person could actually put on and wear, because it's way too much work outside of a cover. Even then you rarely get that kind of craftsmanship.
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Flesh Forge posted:PS he is DEAD, important tidbit. Michael Turner isn't dead, he's smoking a fat rear end kush joint right now.
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Superstring posted:Could you elaborate a bit? Superheroes aren't real. They exist in a much more clear-cut moral universe, where physical and mental and moral intersect, etc. and their stylized forms represent that. Superheroes being made real is dangerous because the superhero universe is incompatible with real life. Punching rarely resolves things, you can't tell the bad guys at a glance, not everyone can be easily divided into black, white, and grey hats, etc. Blurring these lines is politically dangerous because it suggests that superheroes should act as an inspiration rather than as a fantasy, which is, in fact, harmful. Thinking of Superman before taking a test worsens your performance most of the time. However, priming people to think of themselves as "Superman" (as smarter, more moral people than they may actually be) does improve performance on tests.
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I get your meaning and you have a point but that argument sounds an awful lot like people who are afraid that Mortal Kombat, Call of Duty, and Grant Theft Auto are going to make kids more violent. On the broadest possible level the only kids who actually do that are the ones who had a hard time telling reality from fantasy in the first place and the media is just a catalyst for their own mental/emotional shortcomings to manifest in an unhealthy way.
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mind the walrus posted:I get your meaning and you have a point but that argument sounds an awful lot like people who are afraid that Mortal Kombat, Call of Duty, and Grant Theft Auto are going to make kids more violent. On the broadest possible level the only kids who actually do that are the ones who had a hard time telling reality from fantasy in the first place and the media is just a catalyst for their own mental/emotional shortcomings to manifest in an unhealthy way. First of all, experiencing violent media makes people more aggressive. This is something that has been shown over and over. Second of all, this isn't about a permanent warping of people's brains, this is about developing a fundamentally unhealthy relationship with the superhero, where we see them as above us rather than as a reflection or potentiality of us.
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Effectronica posted:First of all, experiencing violent media makes people more aggressive. This is something that has been shown over and over. (sources needed) IIRC isn't the only conclusive proof that competitive media makes people more aggressive outside of the extreme mentally ill minority? Look at how aggressive your average LoL player gets vs your average GTA/CoD player, or your average sports parent vs your average, say, cinephile or bibliophile parent. Not that correlation equals causation but violent crime has actually gone down significantly since the rise of both video games and internet, both of which have made violent content extremely accessible to the average person, which while not conclusive does strongly indicate that if violent media was in-fact making people on the whole more aggressive there would be more solid macro statistics to back such a claim up. Sources: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/07/gun-crime-drops-but-americans-think-its-worse/2139421/ http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/0109/US-crime-rate-at-lowest-point-in-decades.-Why-America-is-safer-now http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-violent-crime-1970s-level-20141110-story.html quote:Second of all, this isn't about a permanent warping of people's brains, this is about developing a fundamentally unhealthy relationship with the superhero, where we see them as above us rather than as a reflection or potentiality of us. To be blunt I've never met someone who saw superheroes as actual god figures and not archetypes along the line of Zeus who wasn't a few cards short of a full deck to begin with. After a point you really can't pin the problems on media and are just bemoaning the inherent limitations of the human animal. I might find American Sniper problematic, but that's far more about how audiences are interpreting it rather than thinking its style or presentation is inherently problematic or not worth putting out there. mind the walrus fucked around with this message at 15:03 on Mar 7, 2015 |
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mind the walrus posted:(sources needed) Who says aggression equals violence? But there are a number of studies (here's one) that examine other violent media where the interaction aspect of video games isn't presence, and they still find that violence in media predicts aggression in the experiencing person, particularly when they identify with the violent characters. In children, there's some debate over whether this is a long-term phenomenon, but in adults, it's definitely short-term. It doesn't actually predict violence, but nobody without an agenda of some kind would believe that aggressive behavior only manifests as violence. quote:To be blunt I've never met someone who saw superheroes as actual god figures and not archetypes along the line of Zeus who wasn't a few cards short of a full deck to begin with. After a point you really can't pin the problems on media and are just bemoaning the inherent limitations of the human animal. I might find American Sniper problematic, but that's far more about how audiences are interpreting it rather than thinking its style or presentation is inherently problematic or not worth putting out there. Interestingly, I am not arguing that this is the current state of affairs. I am saying that this is a risk by removing the stylized nature of superhero visual design and blurring their status as definitely unreal characters.
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And early exposure to art and music might make your kid a musician or artist. I have my degree in Psychology largely in part because I picked apart those studies, specifically video game violence. (It was my final research project, and I won an award for my presentation on the subject at a fair, and I wasn't even a presenter.) But this really, really, really isn't a subject for the Comic Book Art thread.
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IUG posted:But this really, really, really isn't a subject for the Comic Book Art thread. Baron Bifford fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Mar 7, 2015 |
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Mar 7, 2015 19:53
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Because someone said realism in comic bodies had political implications. (????)
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Mar 7, 2015 23:06
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This is the perfect time to post my 10,000 page thesis: How Superman's Chubby Cheeks Doomed Western Civilization. In other news, I recently read Planetary. While the interior art wasn't much to talk about, and I didn't really enjoy the story, the covers were goddamn amazing.      
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I don't think I've ever heard someone say Cassaday's art isn't much to talk about, but eh. Planetary I think resonates more if you know the history of the medium. Classic comic strips, newspaper serials, old timey heroes to modern interpretations, etc. There's a throughline for the story but it doesn't go quite straight through it and instead explores a lot more.
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Gatts posted:I don't think I've ever heard someone say Cassaday's art isn't much to talk about, but eh. Planetary I think resonates more if you know the history of the medium. Classic comic strips, newspaper serials, old timey heroes to modern interpretations, etc. There's a throughline for the story but it doesn't go quite straight through it and instead explores a lot more. Yeah, Planetary's overarching story really isn't anything to write home about, it's all about the exploration and interpretation of comics history via the other media that inspired it. The end moral is "we should explore and preserve past stories because they inform and enrich future ones". Compare this to The Four who literally sold the planet, and by extension all its weird and beautiful history, just for personal gain.
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Gatts posted:I don't think I've ever heard someone say Cassaday's art isn't much to talk about Unless we're just talking about Planetary, Uncanny Avengers. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 14:14 on Mar 9, 2015 |
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Mar 9, 2015 14:08
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What are his other big runs besides AXM, Planetary and Uncanny Avengers?
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Mar 9, 2015 19:00
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zoux posted:What are his other big runs besides AXM, Planetary and Uncanny Avengers?
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This weekend was my city's con, and aside of having the pleasure to met Brian Azzarello, Clayton Crain, Chad Hardin among others. I got this great sketch from Legendary Starlord's artist, Paco Medina  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mar 16, 2015 00:41
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Never loving change, you crazy diamond.
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Mar 16, 2015 00:44
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I thought you got banned from ever posting in BSS again.
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Mar 16, 2015 00:53
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SynthOrange posted:I thought you got banned from ever posting in BSS again. It was only a probation
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Mar 16, 2015 01:20
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Boobs aren't comically oversized. Put it in the bin.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:This weekend was my city's con, and aside of having the pleasure to met Brian Azzarello, Clayton Crain, Chad Hardin among others. I got this great sketch from Legendary Starlord's artist, Paco Medina oh god drat it
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The world is a wonderful, magic place isn't it? e: Since I got a post in the Good Art thread, I'mma put up some Aaron Kuder from Action Comics #40. I'd tried posting the part where Doomsday-Bizarro polluted Bizarro World with cuteness and a gnome yanked off Superman's beard in the Funny Panels thread but it got no love :/  
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Mar 16, 2015 14:22
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:This weekend was my city's con, and aside of having the pleasure to met Brian Azzarello, Clayton Crain, Chad Hardin among others. I got this great sketch from Legendary Starlord's artist, Paco Medina Happy Noodle Boy posted:Never loving change, you crazy diamond. Seriously, nice of him to do that sketch. That common at cons?
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Nyeehg posted:Seriously, nice of him to do that sketch. That common at cons? Very common, although it costs. Some artists charge astronomical amounts (over $1k for even the simplest of sketches) while others charge very reasonably (head or bust sketch for $50-$75) and some will do decent quick sketches for free. It really all depends on the artist and their popularity. We have an entire thread devoted to commissions http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3512726.
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