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Serrath posted:There's a larger dialogue to be had as well about the fact that increasing female enrolments is just polarising the gender ratios of some specialties. Graduating cohorts now frequently contain 55%+ female members which causes members of the media, universities, hospitals, politicians to point and say "look how great we are at bridging this gap" yet medical education doesnt end at graduation from medical school and you wind up with numbers like less than 5% of cardiothorasic surgeons being female, 7.7% of orthopaedic surgeons etc etc. Like, the problem is really stark, you used to be able to say that the gender ratios were caused by a lower proportion of females graduating medicine leading to a lower proportion of females applying but that's no longer the case so why are some specialties so male-dominated? Mostly because you can only take a maximum of 6 weeks off per term during surgical training. So that rules out having a kid. In saying that, a lot of medical specialities aren't that family friendly either. It's a wider problem that doesn't seem to want to get fixed .
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Anidav posted:This NSW election sure is boring. Unlike your avatars. 
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Serrath posted:There's a larger dialogue to be had as well about the fact that increasing female enrolments is just polarising the gender ratios of some specialties. Graduating cohorts now frequently contain 55%+ female members which causes members of the media, universities, hospitals, politicians to point and say "look how great we are at bridging this gap" yet medical education doesnt end at graduation from medical school and you wind up with numbers like less than 5% of cardiothorasic surgeons being female, 7.7% of orthopaedic surgeons etc etc. Like, the problem is really stark, you used to be able to say that the gender ratios were caused by a lower proportion of females graduating medicine leading to a lower proportion of females applying but that's no longer the case so why are some specialties so male-dominated? Pretty easy to explain. It's because the highest institution of the nation doesn't force them not to be.
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Les Affaires posted:Pretty easy to explain. It's because the highest institution of the nation doesn't force them not to be. Sorry, I meant for my question to be rhetorical. The system works this way because it's been engineered to work this way. To address the problems raised by this vascular surgeon, you'd need to change the culture and rules governing the profession. Until that happens, the system will remain exactly the same.
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Serrath posted:Sorry, I meant for my question to be rhetorical. The system works this way because it's been engineered to work this way. To address the problems raised by this vascular surgeon, you'd need to change the culture and rules governing the profession. Until that happens, the system will remain exactly the same. *eats chips*
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I do wonder specifically what arguments somebody could bring against that sort of top-down leadership approach.
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Life is boring, buy a dog.
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Anidav posted:Life is boring, buy a dog. And get attacked, no thanks http://i.imgur.com/kas1VFz.gif edit: converted to link to avoid browsers freezing up Birb Katter fucked around with this message at 09:54 on Mar 7, 2015 |
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Chris Kenny posted:Life is boring, buy a dog.
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Serrath posted:Sorry, I meant for my question to be rhetorical. The system works this way because it's been engineered to work this way. To address the problems raised by this vascular surgeon, you'd need to change the culture and rules governing the profession. Until that happens, the system will remain exactly the same. Chanting 'Smash the state' is all I know. 
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tithin posted:Wiiu is the underappreciated console of this generation. Actually it's about ethics in game journalism.
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Les Affaires posted:I do wonder specifically what arguments somebody could bring against that sort of top-down leadership approach. Enforcing quotas means inefficient outcomes, which in the medical profession will cost lives. Would you rather an arbitrary "politically correct" response, or a situation where literally lives aren't in danger due to incompetence? Maybe if you take a step back from your social justice warrior vantage point, you'd realise specialisations are filled by merit, which leads to the best candidates filling the best possible roles, which is of utmost importance in this case where literal lives are potentially at risk.
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sources your quotas
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cpaf posted:Enforcing quotas means inefficient outcomes, which in the medical profession will cost lives. Would you rather an arbitrary "politically correct" response, or a situation where literally lives aren't in danger due to incompetence? Maybe if you take a step back from your social justice warrior vantage point, you'd realise specialisations are filled by merit, which leads to the best candidates filling the best possible roles, which is of utmost importance in this case where literal lives are potentially at risk. New idea to fix the system: charge blowjob dudes who drive away talented candidates with attempted murder.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pbo7F2PcJr8 YOU ARE WRONG
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Anidav posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pbo7F2PcJr8 Don't watch this it is a trap a terrible terrible trap
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cpaf posted:Enforcing quotas means inefficient outcomes, which in the medical profession will cost lives. Would you rather an arbitrary "politically correct" response, or a situation where literally lives aren't in danger due to incompetence?
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When do the next set of polls come out? I hunger for leadership speculation.
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Anidav posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pbo7F2PcJr8 Journey: The Braid Limbo Story
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Anidav posted:Kat is clearly afraid of OWLS That is a differently cut trailer to the one I saw but the point remains it's premised like When The Wind Blows but with adorable childish cartoon creatures instead of predictably out of touch old people.
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cpaf posted:Enforcing quotas means inefficient outcomes, which in the medical profession will cost lives. Would you rather an arbitrary "politically correct" response, or a situation where literally lives aren't in danger due to incompetence? Maybe if you take a step back from your social justice warrior vantage point, you'd realise specialisations are filled by merit, which leads to the best candidates filling the best possible roles, which is of utmost importance in this case where literal lives are potentially at risk. It's pretty clear that at the moment, specializations aren't being filled by the best possible candidates, they are being filled by the ones who are either male or willing to give head and be quiet about it. This sort of sexism is diluting the overall medical professiona talent pool, and that will kill a lot more people than enforcing a quota ever will. One might say that these doctors are receiving.....killer blowjobs 
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hiddenmovement posted:One might say that these doctors are receiving.....killer blowjobs Do you write for Today Tonight by any chance?
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cpaf posted:Enforcing quotas means inefficient outcomes, which in the medical profession will cost lives. Would you rather an arbitrary "politically correct" response, or a situation where literally lives aren't in danger due to incompetence? Maybe if you take a step back from your social justice warrior vantage point, you'd realise specialisations are filled by merit, which leads to the best candidates filling the best possible roles, which is of utmost importance in this case where literal lives are potentially at risk.
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gently caress i forgot the weighty italics
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Night Shade posted:Do you write for Today Tonight by any chance? As a matter of fact I do.
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i might be moving into south yarra soon look out for the guy whos pissed himself ok. chers, ill be on punt road
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hiddenmovement posted:Lie down in the center lane ty i dont trust u becuase of ur avatar
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cpaf posted:Enforcing quotas means inefficient outcomes, which in the medical profession will cost lives. Would you rather an arbitrary "politically correct" response, or a situation where literally lives aren't in danger due to incompetence? Maybe if you take a step back from your social justice warrior vantage point, you'd realise specialisations are filled by merit, which leads to the best candidates filling the best possible roles, which is of utmost importance in this case where literal lives are potentially at risk. If you think surgical training positions are all given on merit, you're wrong.
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