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HappyHippo: Nov 19, 2003; Do you have an Air Miles Card?

Shaggar posted:

in most languages you can tell what they do cause the syntax is reasonable. Haskells syntax is awful on every level and is completely indefensible

everything i know is reasonable and sensible. everything i dont know is unreasonable and senseless

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gonadic io: Feb 16, 2011; >>=

rrrrrrrrrrrt posted:

no in most languages you spell out everything in retarded baby steps that joe blow idiot can follow because he can't understand anything even remotely declarative.

urgh you're just playing into his hands

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leftist heap: Feb 28, 2013; Fun Shoe

trap sprung then dang

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Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

HappyHippo posted:

everything i know is reasonable and sensible. everything i dont know is unreasonable and senseless

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Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

HappyHippo posted:

everything i know is reasonable and sensible. everything i dont know is unreasonable and senseless

if it wasn't unreasonable and senseless I would know it.

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leftist heap: Feb 28, 2013; Fun Shoe

to be fair "unreasonable and senseless" is a pretty good description of a LOT of haskell code

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Valeyard: Mar 30, 2012; Grimey Drawer

doing that big haskell assignment helped me loads when it came to doing that erlang assignment the other day, the syntax is scary but you can get used to it

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Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

rrrrrrrrrrrt posted:

no in most languages you spell out everything in retarded baby steps that joe blow idiot can follow because he can't understand anything even remotely declarative.

I like "retarded baby steps", it's code much easier to maintain

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HappyHippo: Nov 19, 2003; Do you have an Air Miles Card?

rrrrrrrrrrrt posted:

to be fair "unreasonable and senseless" is a pretty good description of a LOT of haskell code

idk i think that code i posted there is pretty reasonable

Symbolic Butt posted:

I like "retarded baby steps", it's code much easier to maintain

im not sure this is true

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MononcQc: May 29, 2007

have a bit of religious wars thrown at you

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prefect: Sep 11, 2001; No one, Woodhouse.
No one.; Dead Man’s Band

MononcQc posted:

have a bit of religious wars thrown at you

red means "has side effects"?

edit: but "line is null" doesn't seem to fit that pattern

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CPColin: Sep 9, 2003; Big ol' smile.

MononcQc posted:

have a bit of religious wars thrown at you

java.io.File doesn't have a readLine() method :laugh:

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gonadic io: Feb 16, 2011; >>=

prefect posted:

red means "has side effects"?

edit: but "line is null" doesn't seem to fit that pattern

nah, just that the colours correspond to the same code - so all the red parts in the top image are contained in the red part in the bottom

# ? Mar 6, 2015 21:18

prefect: Sep 11, 2001; No one, Woodhouse.
No one.; Dead Man’s Band

gonadic io posted:

nah, just that the colours correspond to the same code - so all the red parts in the top image are contained in the red part in the bottom

i didn't realize it was two arrangements of the same code; it thought it was one thing, just oddly-aligned

at least this is the terrible thread :downs:

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leftist heap: Feb 28, 2013; Fun Shoe

CPColin posted:

java.io.File doesn't have a readLine() method

I haven't used it much but the NIO stuff seems way, way more useful in practice.

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gonadic io: Feb 16, 2011; >>=

the formatting is a bit strange yeah - why is "List<String> errors =" highlighted in the first image but not the second?

e: also the filter line needs another close parens

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CPColin: Sep 9, 2003; Big ol' smile.

And who makes a while loop for reading a file and doesn't make the first line look like this:

code:

while ((line = reader.readLine()) != null)

# ? Mar 6, 2015 21:27

MononcQc: May 29, 2007

gonadic io posted:

the formatting is a bit strange yeah - why is "List<String> errors =" highlighted in the first image but not the second?

because it's a religious argument and a terrible image

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brap: Aug 23, 2004; Grimey Drawer

I don't understand it therefore it's bad BLUB PARADOX YOU GUYS

paul graham was right (9/11 was caused by imperative programming)

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Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

MononcQc posted:

have a bit of religious wars thrown at you

this is a great example of how c#'s designers took unworkable garbage from haskell and turned it into something functional and comprehensible

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gonadic io: Feb 16, 2011; >>=

Shaggar posted:

this is a great example of how c#'s designers took unworkable garbage from haskell and turned it into a form that i'm comfortable with

for real though we do agree on stuff like this, erik meijer is great

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Flat Daddy: Dec 3, 2014; by Nyc_Tattoo

rrrrrrrrrrrt posted:

i haven't tried it, but how bad could it be in comparison to scala? it's written by the jetbrains people so the ide support is already better. i think i'll be looking for some small tasks to use it for at work to give it a spin.

im also curious. is there something horribly wrong with kotlin that makes nobody want to use it? just looking at the docs, i like what i see, better than java groovy & scala

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Flat Daddy: Dec 3, 2014; by Nyc_Tattoo

altho looks like it doesn't have sum types

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gonadic io: Feb 16, 2011; >>=

for reference it'd be something like:

code:

errors :: IO [String]
errors =  liftIO (take 40 . filter (isPrefixOf "ERROR") . lines) (readFile fileName)

# ? Mar 6, 2015 21:52

CPColin: Sep 9, 2003; Big ol' smile.

gonadic io posted:

the formatting is a bit strange yeah - why is "List<String> errors =" highlighted in the first image but not the second?

e: also the filter line needs another close parens

I think the author meant to highlight the "new ArrayList<>()" part only

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distortion park: Apr 25, 2011

Someone talk about docker, it looks cool and I want an excuse to use it.

Can the virtual environment be like, different versions of windows and office?

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Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

pointsofdata posted:

Someone talk about docker, it looks cool and I want an excuse to use it.

Can the virtual environment be like, different versions of windows and office?

microsoft is working on docker support right now. so yes, conceivably.

licensing might get tricky tho. does office have a free trial?

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MeruFM: Jul 27, 2010

MononcQc posted:

have a bit of religious wars thrown at you

This proves python comprehensions are unequivocally the best at being simple and easy to understand.

that or jquery

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Luigi Thirty: Apr 30, 2006; Emergency confection port.

I thought docker wasn't flavor of the month anymore after the gaping security holes

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Bhodi: Dec 9, 2007; Oh, it's just a cat.; Pillbug

security holes are baked into the system; it's not really designed to be isolated from its base operating system. there's some retrofit work but the shared memory model makes it really hard, apparently

it's by all accounts neat, I keep meaning to try it but haven't bothered because vagrant is good enough and I'm all cloud these days anyway, I just spin up a real VM 99% of the time

5 years from now, software will be released as source, rpm, or docker file and all us SA's will be out of a job because you won't even care about the OS anymore! just stick it in your docker container ship.

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Arcsech: Aug 5, 2008

Bhodi posted:

security holes are baked into the system; it's not really designed to be isolated from its base operating system. there's some retrofit work but the shared memory model makes it really hard, apparently

it's by all accounts neat, I keep meaning to try it but haven't bothered because vagrant is good enough and I'm all cloud these days anyway, I just spin up a real VM 99% of the time

5 years from now, software will be released as source, rpm, or docker file and all us SA's will be out of a job because you won't even care about the OS anymore! just stick it in your docker container ship.

No I think he meant the whole not checking signatures thing

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Jabor: Jul 16, 2010; #1 Loser at SpaceChem

~Coxy posted:

what do you mean?
this is important

i know this is way late but any reasonable mocking framework will let you create a mock for a (non-final) concrete class. no need to use a single-implementation interface to be able to mock it out in a test.

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bobbilljim: May 29, 2013; this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me

haskell is the high level language designed to be harder to use than assembly

# ? Mar 8, 2015 11:57

bobbilljim: May 29, 2013; this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me

hey can anyone tell me what a monad is???

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fart simpson: Jul 2, 2005; DEATH TO AMERICA

bobbilljim posted:

hey can anyone tell me what a monad is???

yes

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gonadic io: Feb 16, 2011; >>=

bobbilljim posted:

hey can anyone tell me what a monad is???

unfortunately no one can be told what the monad is. you have to see it for yourself.

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theadder: Dec 30, 2011

bobbilljim posted:

hey can anyone tell me what a monad is???

see ur copy of leibniz op

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Joe Law: Jun 30, 2008

I dont even see monads anymore... all I see now is blonde, brunette, redhead.

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Luigi Thirty: Apr 30, 2006; Emergency confection port.

I've� seen things you people wouldn't believe� monads on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched rings glitter in the dark near the Gate to Kirk Johnson's rectum. All those� moments� will be lost in time, like [small cough] posts in the yos

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