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A horrible idea by a horrible person:http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-08/twiggy-forrest-plan-for-droughtproofing-australia/6287690 posted:Iron ore billionaire Andrew 'Twiggy' Forrest has a dream, and like most things he's tackled in his business life, it is big. What could possibly go wrong?
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I don't know why he keeps getting given a platform for his harebrained schemes. First welfare reform and now this. I wish I was a loudmouth billionaire so people would put my halfbaked ideas on TV.
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Mar 8, 2015 02:03
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Abbott.
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Mar 8, 2015 02:05
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Media address by Abbott and co regarding Westconnex was just.... ehh Happy S(f)unday!
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Mar 8, 2015 02:11
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Periphery posted:A horrible idea by a horrible person: Let's just hold our judgement until Alan Jones gives his view please.
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Mar 8, 2015 02:31
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Please pay some tax first Twiggy.
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Mar 8, 2015 02:37
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BHP and Rio Tinto are doing their best to kill off their 2nd tier competitors (eg FMG, Atlas, Hancock) by maintaining high production levels and driving down prices. If they get their way, the iron ore industry in W. Australia will resemble the supermarket duopoly. Small price to pay for loving off Twiggy and Gina?
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Mar 8, 2015 02:51
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Mr Chips posted:BHP and Rio Tinto are doing their best to kill off their 2nd tier competitors (eg FMG, Atlas, Hancock) by maintaining high production levels and driving down prices. Its already a duopoly in WA given that, from memory, Rio and BHP already own like 80 - 90% of iron ore production. They're doing this more to maintain market share given the slump in demand and also to meet Vale's increased production and push into China. Fortescue is in trouble sure but Hancock is A-OK given that Rio runs and operates all the mines while Gina sits back and enjoys those sweet, sweet royalty payments she worked so hard to inherit.
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Mar 8, 2015 03:13
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Mr Chips posted:If they get their way, the iron ore industry in W. Australia will resemble the supermarket duopoly. Fast being resigned to history though. Aldi are smashing that and Amazon have barely entered the market. There are worse duopolies for basic foodstuffs though. All supermarket bread brands are provided by only two conglomerates.
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Mar 8, 2015 03:21
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Periphery posted:A horrible idea by a horrible person: quote:"If we locate many of our water intensive industries to the Canning Basin where there is yet none we'd barely dent its huge water carrying capacity," he said. open24hours posted:I don't know why he keeps getting given a platform for his harebrained schemes. First welfare reform and now this. I wish I was a loudmouth billionaire so people would put my halfbaked ideas on TV. Espouses views popular with the rest of the ruling class.
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Mar 8, 2015 03:30
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A slight update on the peddo van business. One of my sources was down in the area and reports that the man in question had two foster children removed from his care three years ago and this is why he is a person of interest to the police. They didn't sight the van however. The person has not been charged of any crime (related to children) at any point and I am now effectively just spreading rumour. In NSW election news the LNP are guaranteeing power prices will fall if they privatise the poles and wires and have banned speaking in Abrabic in prison if you are a 'terror' offender. http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015/03/08/hazzard-imposes-arabic-ban-goulburn-jail quote:Hazzard imposes Arabic ban at Goulburn jail Misguided Muppet State Government.
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Mar 8, 2015 03:33
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Listening to my managers at work happily talk about the gentrification of Redfern and how good it is that most of the aboriginals have been pushed out. loving hell.
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Mar 8, 2015 03:40
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Avshalom posted:Abbott. My Breasts.
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Mar 8, 2015 04:00
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Kegslayer posted:Fortescue is in trouble sure but Hancock is A-OK given that Rio runs and operates all the mines while Gina sits back and enjoys those sweet, sweet royalty payments she worked so hard to inherit.
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Mar 8, 2015 04:07
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Cartoon posted:A slight update on the peddo van business. One of my sources was down in the area and reports that the man in question had two foster children removed from his care three years ago and this is why he is a person of interest to the police. They didn't sight the van however. The person has not been charged of any crime (related to children) at any point and I am now effectively just spreading rumour. Holy poo poo now we're just ripping off the onion, wholesale.
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Mar 8, 2015 04:21
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My bust.
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Mar 8, 2015 04:26
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Cartoon posted:In NSW election news the LNP are guaranteeing power prices will fall They're actually right about this but the prices are due to fall regardless of privatization. The current AER proposed determination is completely unsustainable and unless the appeal from the various retailers succeed, the new set price will either bankrupt them or they'll need to cut thousands of staff and start selling certain assets. Mr Chips posted:Except for Roy Hill - she's borrowed several billion dollars to get that one up off the ground. The high level of automation there might stave off a shutdown though. This is true but Roy Hill is pretty much funded by multinationals who are investing in it for strategic rather than pure financial reasons which is why the debt is provided mostly by ECAs. Ex-Im have already locked in a lot of Roy Hill's procurement and the various Asian firms/Chaebols like Samsung are in it to mainly diversify iron ore suppliers beyond Rio and BHP.
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Cartoon posted:A slight update on the peddo van business. One of my sources was down in the area and reports that the man in question had two foster children removed from his care three years ago and this is why he is a person of interest to the police. They didn't sight the van however. The person has not been charged of any crime (related to children) at any point and I am now effectively just spreading rumour. You'd think a better solution would be hire guards that speak arabic to monitor these people while they're in prison but how could we possibly know those guards aren't also terrorists!!!
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Mar 8, 2015 04:29
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I mean thats obviously assuming people in jail for terror related offences are communicating with each other in prison to coordinate criminal activity to begin with
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Kim Jong ill posted:Listening to my managers at work happily talk about the gentrification of Redfern and how good it is that most of the aboriginals have been pushed out. loving hell. Is there anything good to read about the history of Redfern? I'm curious why (and when) it ended up as an Aboriginal ghetto in the first place.
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Mar 8, 2015 04:54
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http://faculty.arch.usyd.edu.au/web/current/topic1/Attajarusit+Burdon+Burgess+Boyle%28T1%29/prepost%20colonial.pdf This seems like a decent overview, but it's pretty light on detail.
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Jumpingmanjim posted:Can someone explain to me what the controversy is about phonics and why Pyne has such a hard-on for them. Learning phonics is great for teaching pronunciation, but it's dog poo poo for learning how to read because it has nothing to do with understanding what the words you're learning to say out loud actually mean. You're literally just teaching children that certain sounds correspond to certain printed symbols, and not creating any connection to already understood meaning or building the schema required to understand the text, which is necessary to evaluate or respond to it. In other words, Tories are trying to remove critical thinking from the curriculum. Again. It's very good at making (some) NAPLAN numbers go up, though, and it fits nicely into the "common sense" worldview that talkback radio hosts and conservative politicians like to live by. Smegmatron fucked around with this message at 05:46 on Mar 8, 2015 |
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Mar 8, 2015 05:44
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So the culture war has manifested itself in a dispute about teaching reading. What other stuff is Pyne coming up with, rote learning? The cane?
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Mar 8, 2015 05:47
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Assuming he understands the consequences of his position is probably giving him too much credit. It smacks of one of those situations where Ray Hadley and Beryl from Sunshine would say "it just makes sense because it's common sense!" and scoff at all of the teachers, linguists, and developmental psychologists who don't know what they're talking about when it comes to how people learn to read.
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Mar 8, 2015 05:52
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People on the right have been pushing phonics for years (the Reading Wars), it's not something Pyne dredged up by himself.
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Mar 8, 2015 05:54
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Jumpingmanjim posted:So the culture war has manifested itself in a dispute about teaching reading. What other stuff is Pyne coming up with, rote learning? The cane? Murder He Rote.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:People on the right have been pushing phonics for years (the Reading Wars), it's not something Pyne dredged up by himself. I was about to say that it's probably also giving Pyne too much credit to assume he came up with this idea himself. I haven't been following it because I'm not a primary school teacher and my field (ESL) is largely immune from this because nobody in government cares what international students are being taught as long as they're paying and have a visa, but yeah, it makes total sense that Pyne is just picking up where some other luddite left off. It's just another round in the endless education battle that consists of people who check to see whether pedagogy is effective fighting against people who think it's all a bunch of elitist wank and the hypodermic model is perfectly valid because it's simple and easy to understand.
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Mar 8, 2015 06:00
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There was a bit of a push for it under Howard I think, and it's a pet issue of a few people (like Miranda Devine) so it never completely disappears from the sphere of public debate.
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Mar 8, 2015 06:06
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Lack of phonics education causes bushfires.quote:
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Mar 8, 2015 06:13
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Jumpingmanjim posted:Lack of phonics education causes bushfires. The ‘enlightened’ teachers would no doubt reason “ well I can read, so it worked for me, so it must must be right”. Ignorance is many things besides bliss.
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Mar 8, 2015 06:22
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In my completely anecdotal experience, I was taught to read from phonics, but then it was definitely handy because we had to learn Maori words and place names and things so learning the sounds of the words was helpful in asking about and pronouncing places whose literal meaning wasn't important to us v vBut that being said I was taught to read like 25+ years ago and as a big-boy-pants-wearer I definitely don't sit there sounding out all the syllables when I read unless it's a name. Phonics is a good tool for reading and pronunciation but it's not the entire garden shed of language helpers.
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Mar 8, 2015 06:36
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The idea that endemic illiteracy is somehow because of a lack of phonics is pretty loving laughable given that to my knowledge phonics was the sole focus of the reading curriculum for most of the last 100 years and illiteracy isn't some thing that appeared magically however long ago they stopped using it as the primary method
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Mar 8, 2015 06:37
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As the state with the worst literacy, there's a pretty good case for illiteracy being caused by being Tasmanian. Personally, as a Tasmanian, I know I can't read. I can't write either. I just slap my keyboard ineffectually, hoping my posting quality is good by chance.
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Endman posted:igrigeoih gpiaehgpih aegihaeg 8gh890gh 08h ga30hagoehaegl ealgjhapj ak'egajeg n ge8089eagnaje ljaeieuohvlnljfvbn voj oe Just keep at it, buddy. You're getting better every time.
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Aaronicon posted:Just keep at it, buddy. You're getting better every time. 
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Just on the 'Greens are behind it' propaganda.  Anecdote incomingAn acquaintance has recently suffered a fruit bat infestation. After doing everything they thought appropriate they went to the local council (A move only the truly desperate would contemplate). Now even accounting for the confusion in one of our local council employee's head at a rate payer who hadn't already illegally bulldozed the habitat or illegally and unethically poisoned everything for a couple of kilometres, It's hard to understand the advice. The council can't do anything about it because of The Greens. The Greens who haven't been in power in any jurisdiction within hundreds of kilometres. Yep those Greens. Clearly we need to be afraid of The Greens as they are using eldritch power beyond the keen of logic or science. Also LOLOLOLOLOL at attempting to find a scientific basis for an LNP policy. We'll get the Minister right on it! Those who haven't had the pleasure can take solace in the knowledge that he is thicker than any of the shortest two planks available in the Western world and wouldn't know a science if it ran over him on combine harvester. He additionally has all the vision of a large block of rusty scarp iron.
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Phonics is part of direct instruction, which goes back to the hypodermic model of communication, and that's what they really want to bring back. The idea is basically that you get told something, you remember it, and that means you've learned it. Its been discredited as a communication model for decades, let alone a pedagogical strategy, but it makes sense to Jerry from Doonside and he votes, so lets go with it. The alternative is what we do now - constructivist or inquiry-based learning - and it involves experiencing the material directly, asking questions and finding the answers with the teacher acting more as a guide than instructor. You can understand why conservatives might not like this. Smegmatron fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Mar 8, 2015 |
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Mar 8, 2015 06:56
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Conservatives are loving with the very basic principles behind how children learn, but of course it's THUR GREEENS who are really responsible for the downfall of our nation by imposing their nonexistent will on local councils everywhere.
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Green scapegoating is a strong part of our national culture which, I'm very sorry to say, is also caused by Tasmania.
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