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Chill la Chill posted:Until they FAQ it, that's the rules. Is that an unreasonable position? We know scum y-wings != rebel y-wings. How are we to know the designer's intent for the fires pray? I think its unreasonable to enforce that position since every difference between scum and rebel y wings has been mentioned in ffg articles without them purposely hiding anything and the fact that they wouldn't design a pilot ability to be 100 % useless right out of the gate that relied on possible future upgrades to take advantage of. A change of that magnitude to a ships core mechanics would mentioned and explained well in advance and they wouldn't just sit on it until someone happened to figure it out banned from Starbucks fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Mar 8, 2015 |
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SpikeMcclane posted:The point I was making is that the FAQ says you have to have the icon, but it also says that if you have the arc, you always have the icon. To have that design space, they'll also need to change the current rules. And Teflon you are right. It would be a bad decision but like I said, we cannot read minds and intents so I don't like going down that route considering what's "reasonable." Currently, There exists no case that actually has a rear arc secondary weapon. True too. Designers also aren't perfect people and break things all the time without meaning to do so and that's why we have FAQs to resolve the matter. Chill la Chill fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Mar 8, 2015 |
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Mar 8, 2015 19:53
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I can see your point, Chill, but this is a clear oversight and I hope that the community is above this level of rules lawyering. Hopefully we can get a swift ruling from FFG to sort this out.
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Mar 8, 2015 20:26
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I do want to see them make a butt cannon though. Something on a small, fast ship that requires good planning and a backwards sense of placement. And Ya part of why I want them to acknowledge it quickly is so you don't have to have that awkward confrontation with "that guy."
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Mar 8, 2015 20:31
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I don't think it's very 40k to assume that scum Boba's Firespray wouldn't lose its rear arc due to him being part of the faction or that the lack of forward/rear chevs on the pilot cards firepower icon is just an accident. But then again I'm very new to the game. I'm also not a TO or know anyone in the Xwing scene who knows somebody who has an uncle who works for FFG. I'm just basing this on my gut feeling. 
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Mar 8, 2015 20:48
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Chill la Chill posted:I do want to see them make a butt cannon though. Something on a small, fast ship that requires good planning and a backwards sense of placement. You can want them to acknowledge it and avoid confrontations with "that guy" without being "that guy". This isn't a situation like in a GW game where there are eight or nine reasonable interpretations of "author's intent" when it comes to a rule. Also if there's a guy being "that guy" about something this dumb just don't play with "that guy" until he chills the gently caress out.
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Mar 8, 2015 21:10
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FFG have been pretty quick with the FAQs so we shouldn't have to wait too long in any case. I bought my brother the core set for his last birthday. He's already started buying scum and villainy. I'm either the best or worst brother in the world.
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Mar 8, 2015 22:11
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I still wish the Slave 1 title made the torpedoes fire from the rear arc
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Mar 8, 2015 22:15
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Yeah, this confusion is the reason I changed the anchor in my build to Boba. I really hope they announce something soon, really seems like an oversight to me.
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Mar 9, 2015 00:04
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Hmmm, Boba has exactly the same issue.
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Mar 9, 2015 00:09
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I mean, this is the issue, no arrows on the S&V version's attack number: 
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Mar 9, 2015 00:12
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I'm gonna be really disappointed if the promo Fett isn't fixed by then.
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Mar 9, 2015 00:16
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Strobe posted:You can want them to acknowledge it and avoid confrontations with "that guy" without being "that guy". This isn't a situation like in a GW game where there are eight or nine reasonable interpretations of "author's intent" when it comes to a rule. He wants clarification for tournament play. That's all. In a tourney you really do have to play, and more importantly rule as a judge, in the letter of the rules.
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Mar 9, 2015 00:16
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Yo Chill did you play against/see that Theorist dude yesterday?
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Mar 9, 2015 00:49
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I just want Dengar as a pilot. Gotta hunt that bounty, but the bounty's in the hunt. D-Bombs, D-missiles, you want someone disintegrated, get me integrated.That's Dengar's motto.
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zVxTeflon posted:Yo Chill did you play against/see that Theorist dude yesterday? Yeah. He introduced himself as that and asked if I read anything on team covenant or whatever. Bit of an odd dude. Why?
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Mar 9, 2015 01:04
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Just curious what he looks like
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Mar 9, 2015 01:08
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Ever watch the Tim and Eric show? He p much looks like doctor Bruhle. He told me he was glad I played fat han cuz he was telling people it was still good or something. He did well with a dual outrider list too.
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Mar 9, 2015 01:10
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Oh, I see he's already uploaded a tournament report.
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Mar 9, 2015 01:23
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Chill la Chill posted:Ever watch the Tim and Eric show? He p much looks like doctor Bruhle. He told me he was glad I played fat han cuz he was telling people it was still good or something. He did well with a dual outrider list too. Dual outrider list? The Outrider title is a unique, he shouldn't be able to field two without houseruling.
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Cobbsprite posted:Dual outrider list? The Outrider title is a unique, he shouldn't be able to field two without houseruling. I'm sure he just means dual 2400s, not both with Outrider.
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Mar 9, 2015 01:26
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Yeah, I forget the model number for the copycat Han who just tries too hard. Leebo's cool though.
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Mar 9, 2015 01:28
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Chill la Chill posted:Yeah, I forget the model number for the copycat Han who just tries too hard. Leebo's cool though. But he has a beard and a jetpack and his sidekick is a
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Mar 9, 2015 01:40
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The scum firespray cards are just an oversight. They'll be errata'd and then we can forget all about it.
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Tournament today. Not a store Championship but just a fun one. 7 people showed up. Lists were 1 scum, dual firesprays, a rebel running lando and Leebo, two devestator/Soontir Combos, one devestator with two interceptors, one with dual phantoms and mauler mithel. I ran Dash, Tycho and a Bandit. I got a round 1 by. And lost the other two 100-0. So, I need a new list I think.
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Mar 9, 2015 02:26
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I'm looking forward to the reprint of the Interceptor. I need a couple more to run a list of 5x Interceptors with Autothrusters. Fragile, but FUN.
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So, here's my dilemma: I had some fun with this list: IG88-B (50) Aggressor (36), Predator (3), Advanced Sensors (3), “Mangler” Cannon (4), Feedback Array (2), IG-2000 (0), Autothrusters (2) IG88-C (50) Aggressor (36), Predator (3), Advanced Sensors (3), “Mangler” Cannon (4), Feedback Array (2), IG-2000 (0), Autothrusters (2) I need to buy another Defender to get that second Predator, though. I think I may want to swap to PTL for the EPT, though. What do you all think?
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Mar 9, 2015 02:55
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I find myself using the Koigrans/loops often enough when using the IGs that I doubt I would get much use out of PtL. Although I generally don't like PTL on ships that don't have hard green turns anyway.
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I think there's promise with PTL Agressors using Advanced Sensors.
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Tekopo posted:Hmmm, Boba has exactly the same issue. Yes but his skill doesn't expressly rely on firing through the auxiliary arc like Kath's.
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Cobbsprite posted:I'm looking forward to the reprint of the Interceptor. I need a couple more to run a list of 5x Interceptors with Autothrusters. Fragile, but FUN. Cobbsprite, you in the US? I'll gladly ship you one for $10 + S&H.
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Halverine posted:Yes but his skill doesn't expressly rely on firing through the auxiliary arc like Kath's.  Edit: to make it clear, this is only in relation to 'i now fly Boba instead of Kath because of this issue with the card'
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I am struggling with Feedback Array, how on earth are you intended to use this card? Taking a damage and taking an ion token to do 1 damage to something seems like way too big a downside. Has anyone tried putting together anything with more than 1 Starviper? I initially wrote the card off, but after playing against one that just had outmaneuver it proved scarily effective because of the s-loops. They seem just a little too expensive to have more than 1 though. (this is just for casual games though, so I am not playing against phantoms, fat han etc.)
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Tekopo posted:You are telling me you would fly a Firespray without a backward firing arc? I was talking about my theoretical list last page which I haven't flown yet. When I was making it, I noticed that the Scum Firespray pilot cards indicated they can't fire their primary from their rear arc and decided Kath's ability made her useless unless some magic new upgrade comes out later or I had missed something. So I chose Boba instead to be the anchor. After the discussion in this thread I became convinced that this was a FFG error and will be fixed in a FAQ. My post was meant as "Oh, this might be a mixup and Kath's ability isn't totally borked? I'll probably swap her into the list I haven't tried yet instead of Boba". Edit: I only play casually at the moment so yes, when I thought FFG had changed the rules I was prepared to fly Scum Boba without the rear-firing primary. Halverine fucked around with this message at 10:35 on Mar 9, 2015 |
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Phrosphor posted:I am struggling with Feedback Array, how on earth are you intended to use this card? Taking a damage and taking an ion token to do 1 damage to something seems like way too big a downside. Its uses are pretty limited. Basically its a phantom snare on a bunch of cheap Zs or a budget Vader
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zVxTeflon posted:Its uses are pretty limited. Basically its a phantom snare on a bunch of cheap Zs or a budget Vader I was worried I was missing some really obvious combo or something, but it is kind of a sacrificial lamb thing like I assumed. Cheers. Another quick question, Scum can use the Moldy Crow title right? It isn't restricted to rebels only so assume that is the case.
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Phrosphor posted:Another quick question, Scum can use the Moldy Crow title right? yup
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zVxTeflon posted:Its uses are pretty limited. Basically its a phantom snare on a bunch of cheap Zs or a budget Vader
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Halverine posted:I was talking about my theoretical list last page which I haven't flown yet. When I was making it, I noticed that the Scum Firespray pilot cards indicated they can't fire their primary from their rear arc and decided Kath's ability made her useless unless some magic new upgrade comes out later or I had missed something. So I chose Boba instead to be the anchor. I have the Fire Spray for Imperials from when they first came out. It does not have the little arrows indicating front and back firing arcs, but it was still really, really obvious that they could fire from both. Also, my YT-1300 i got when it first came out doesn't have the circular arrow to show a 360 firing arc, but no one has ever thought they couldn;t use the 360 firing arc. If I EVER played a game with someone who was a little bitch about this, I'd just stop play and leave. Seriously.
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enigmahfc posted:If I EVER played a game with someone who was a little bitch about this, I'd just stop play and leave. Seriously. It's not about what you'd do in a friendly game, it's about removing ambiguity from tournament play and FFG having poor editing.  The Imperial Firespray pilot cards all have the auxiliary fire arc icon on them. Per the rules FAQ, you need the icon on your pilot card to fire your primary out of your auxiliary arc. Imperial Firespray pilots have the icon and can do this. Scum Firespray pilots do not have the icon and so currently, per the rules as they exist for the game, cannot actually fire their primary out of their auxiliary arc. The only place this matters is tournament games, and this will no doubt be cleared up by a FAQ update pretty soon, but the issue remains that it's a dumb mistake. No one in their right mind would think Scum Firesprays aren't meant to be able to fire their primary out of their auxiliary arc and no one is arguing that they shouldn't be, either. Lemon-Lime fucked around with this message at 14:19 on Mar 9, 2015 |
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