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TG-Chrono posted:"Queensland's new minister for women says the state government should consider "positive discrimination" legislation to close the gender pay gap, which was at a 10-year high." Hell yeah
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Mithranderp posted:I liked it better when it said "white australians". The White Australian policy ended in '73 mate.
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Can't wait for the ISIS death cult caliphate to legalise gay marriage before Australia does
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cpaf posted:Can't wait for the ISIS death cult caliphate to legalise gay marriage before Australia does better female representation % rates in the ranks of suicide bombers than the Cabinet, Madam Speaker!
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Goodpart posted:Instead of digging in and doubling down until the report is released you could, you know, actually engage with the question. You get the same funny show regardless of what you say when it doesn't line up with the mob. So why put in any effort?
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Who guessed puppet master? Someone should really start organising prizes.
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Well it was basically obfuscation with some ad homenim for taste so I get B/ Crossed off my bingo card on this occasion. The only worthwhile prize would be to stop responding to the gently caress knuckle entirely.
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Graic Gabtar posted:why put in any effort? You're on your way to becoming the next AMU if you're keen to keep this up
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Graic Gabtar posted:Meaningful answers are kind of wasted effort here when your audience are the equivalent of masturbating monkeys throwing their own poo poo at the zoo. I get satisfaction from knowing that a few effort posts go a long way to helping educate the many lurkers who seem to hang out here. Why don't you get the same satisfaction?
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Goodpart posted:You're on your way to becoming the next AMU if you're keen to keep this up
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open24hours posted:Who guessed puppet master? Someone should really start organising prizes. Poo-pet master. Edit: "Arguing with people who disagree with me is too difficult  "
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Les Affaires posted:I get satisfaction from knowing that a few effort posts go a long way to helping educate the many lurkers who seem to hang out here. Why don't you get the same satisfaction?
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If a lot of people believe the same thing then it must be wrong!
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Mar 9, 2015 03:24
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Les Affaires posted:I get satisfaction from knowing that a few effort posts go a long way to helping educate the many lurkers who seem to hang out here. Why don't you get the same satisfaction? Speaking of did you ever do that write up on how we are all going to get stinking rich when the property bubble pops or did I miss that somehow
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It gets kinda echo chamber in here and i'm keen to hear genuine discussion of different views and the reasons for them. Half of australia (if you go by the polls) supports the PM, it would probably serve Auspol well if we heard from those who do. its a hallmark of auspol to tell people to  and kill yourselves, but it gets pretty circlejerk  at times and the floor gets sticky.
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Graic Gabtar posted:What are you educating people about? The importance of group think? There have been a considerable number of useful posts in this thread and all of its previous incarnations, and a substantial amount of one-time posters whose first post seems to be "yes we read, yes it helps, yes thank you". Maybe you're right, they're only being thankful for being educated on how an echochamber works.
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hiddenmovement posted:Speaking of did you ever do that write up on how we are all going to get stinking rich when the property bubble pops or did I miss that somehow I kept meaning to but injuring my thumb last week after being kicked has kinda made posting hurt moreso than usual.
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Kommando posted:It gets kinda echo chamber in here and i'm keen to hear genuine discussion of different views and the reasons for them. Half of australia (if you go by the polls) supports the PM, it would probably serve Auspol well if we heard from those who do. Generally, the left-right divide is a science/gut-feeling divide (respectively). It's hard to argue against those who argue against the scientific method.
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The auspol thread moves so fast, i feel like i go days without posting because im just reading.
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Kommando posted:It gets kinda echo chamber in here and i'm keen to hear genuine discussion of different views and the reasons for them. Half of australia (if you go by the polls) supports the PM, it would probably serve Auspol well if we heard from those who do. The trouble is that most of the people who hold those opinions can't defend them very well (because most of their positions aren't very defensible).
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hiddenmovement posted:The trouble is that most of the people who hold those opinions can't defend them very well (because most of their positions aren't very defensible). It's not that their positions aren't defensible, its just that they either haven't gone through the rigour of mounting an adequate defense, or they have but are just uncomfortable in doing so. When you reach into the deep dark recesses of the soul, it's often not pretty what you find and a lot of people would just prefer to ignore it.
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Kommando posted:It gets kinda echo chamber in here and i'm keen to hear genuine discussion of different views and the reasons for them. Half of australia (if you go by the polls) supports the PM, it would probably serve Auspol well if we heard from those who do. I'd be perfectly happy to have genuine conservatives posting in here. People who were prepared to admit their true beliefs, instead of trying to have everything both ways.
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Huragok posted:Generally, the left-right divide is a science/gut-feeling divide (respectively). It's hard to argue against those who argue against the scientific method. Oh im aware of that. Discussing a topic rationally is wasted on the irrational. But getting an insight into what sort of reasoning, and bent reasoning, and outright bigotry can be enlightening. I stated before my battletech mate flat out says he doesnt give a poo poo about the reef, doesnt like gays and cares about his standard of living over others. thats valid reasoning for his position voting LNP. I have to frame the argument in an economic sense rather than a compassionate or environmental fashion.
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For example, consider the phrase "Stop the Boats". It's very handy, clever shorthand for policy, until you expand it out. Stop the boats. Stop the boats from reaching our shores. Stop the boats from reaching our shores, using whatever means necessary. Stop the boats from reaching our shores, using whatever means necessary, even if this means the health and safety of the people on board is compromised. Stop the boats from reaching our shores, using whatever means necessary, even if this means the health and safety of the people on board is compromised, because we haven't considered whether we would like them to live safely and securely. See how easy it is? Now you try!
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Kommando posted:I have to frame the argument in an economic sense rather than a compassionate or environmental fashion. Your friend is a psychopath ... and so are half of the Australian electorate. 
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Kommando posted:its a hallmark of auspol to tell people to On the rarest of rare occasions though something will divide the echo chamber and glorious chaos ensues as the thread devours its children like so many revolutions.
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Kommando posted:Oh im aware of that. Discussing a topic rationally is wasted on the irrational. But getting an insight into what sort of reasoning, and bent reasoning, and outright bigotry can be enlightening. One of the techniques that can be applied to this sort of rationale is the five (six?) whys. It's an annoying but useful method of teasing out the core belief or motive behind it.
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Huragok posted:Your friend is a psychopath ... and so are half of the Australian electorate. Its rare to have them admit it though.
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Huragok posted:Your friend is a psychopath ... and so are half of the Australian electorate. Yes but these people exist, and it's worth presenting a case to them that they will be able to agree with. It's very hard to actually tease out why people believe the things they do, why people support certain positions, and even if that reason is something like "I hate aboriginals" you can work with that, even if it's pointing out that by funding aboriginal social services how much it will benefit them by them having to deal with less aboriginals on the street. You argue to your audience, it doesn't really matter how reprehensible your audience is. That's why people are trying to understand the reasoning behind fuckhead craig, if you understand the reasoning behind a bad argument you can dismantle it. Then again some people are just huge assholes with no reasoning who can never be swayed because they want to stamp on the faces of other people even if it does come at expense to themselves.
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If you don't want to make them a non-psychopath, you can point to the ways that certain things are economically a bad idea. Like offshore processing is needlessly expensive compared to onshore or community processing, while not acting as a deterrent. You'd have to use the evidence that they required naval intervention to prevent boats from making it to shore. Which reminds me, any good evidence that boats are still coming that we can point to, or is OSB silencing it effectively?
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hooman posted:Yes but these people exist, and it's worth presenting a case to them that they will be able to agree with. It's very hard to actually tease out why people believe the things they do, why people support certain positions, and even if that reason is something like "I hate aboriginals" you can work with that, even if it's pointing out that by funding aboriginal social services how much it will benefit them by them having to deal with less aboriginals on the street. You argue to your audience, it doesn't really matter how reprehensible your audience is. Pretty much this, it goes back one step to whether the person arguing is doing so in Good Faith. A lot of the time is spent trying to work out whether this is the case. If somebody just wants to argue because they're contrarian or are bored then that helps nobody and it's understandable when the response is a very polite but firm "gently caress off".
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I still think that if you point how much offshore processing and all the related hullabullo costs you would get a lot more opposition to it. EDIT: Seriously Ameoba? Seriously?
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hiddenmovement posted:I still think that if you point how much offshore processing and all the related hullabullo costs you would get a lot more opposition to it. ??
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We should also have the humility to admit we don't have all the right answers. Pol Pot, Eva Peron, Emperor Hirohito, Angela Merkel, Malcolm Turnbull, Barak Obama, Geoff Gallop and your mum have all believed they're doing the right thing. Negative Entropy fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Mar 9, 2015 |
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Kommando posted:We should also have the humility to admit we don't have all the right answers. What an... interesting list.
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Les Affaires posted:What an... interesting list. added your mum for contrast
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I'm going to gay marry gary
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Isn't it fun when people who are challenged to Bring It to the rhetorical table just disappear for days on end
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The only proper Australian way to treat reffos is to reward the degree of hazardousness of their trip (and therefore the degree of commitment they demonstrate to Australia). It's nothing less than the Anzac spirit. Plane passengers should be dealt with under normal processes. Those who make it to Christmas Island in a leaky fishing boat should be given citizenship, a democracy sausage, a cuppa and $500. Those who make it to the mainland should get the same and also membership of the cricket/AFL ground in their capital city. Anyone who swims across should be made a Member of Parliament for demonstrating extraordinary commitment to the speedos our PM is so fond of.
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Les Affaires posted:Isn't it fun when people who are challenged to Bring It to the rhetorical table just disappear for days on end probably generating some activity on their alt accounts.
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