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I think it works fine for local government, and dislike how tightly whipped NZ parties tend to be (well, labour lol), which a more electorate-based system would go some way to fix I think. But I don't like the kind of preferences fuckery that can and does happen in Oz – even worse than electorate gifts in mmp imo. I also like the two ticks thing, where you can have an actual effect on e.g. the Green vote even when living in the King Country.
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Exclamation Marx posted:I think it works fine for local government, and dislike how tightly whipped NZ parties tend to be (well, labour lol), which a more electorate-based system would go some way to fix I think. But I don't like the kind of preferences fuckery that can and does happen in Oz – even worse than electorate gifts in mmp imo. I also like the two ticks thing, where you can have an actual effect on e.g. the Green vote even when living in the King Country. Agreed, and it also allows you to cast a meaningful democratic vote if the person you think would be the best MP for your area isn't in the party you think would best represent you.
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Mar 8, 2015 10:01
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Displeased Moo Cow posted:
and only net taxpayers can vote!!!11!1 *drives on state-provided road on way to work* *is no longer a net taxpayer*
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Bushmaori posted:Just one of the guys. Who has never picked up a hammer before, apparently. Wandle Cax posted:Exactly, the STV system should be used for the candidate vote. That would probably make things too complicated for people to understand though. fong posted:In theory I wouldn't be against that tbh, each politician directly accountable to people in an area. Maybe then we'd get some kind of regional development strategy. As for the Greens leadership contest, Hague vs Hughes will be interesting. Hughes has had more visibility, and might help tap into the "youth" vote a bit better (by "youth" I mean anyone born after 1980 and/or being remotely tech literate). Hague, on the other hand, does have some serious credentials, especially in the health area. While I'm a little sad that Norman is leaving, the silver lining is that not having such a strong personality/leader in the finance area will cause less friction with Labour in that area (and most of their policies will overlap in that area anyway).
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Mar 8, 2015 22:20
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get rid of electorates one vote for the party you want
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Binkenstein posted:STV should only be used for the Electorate, and keeping the List seats is a good idea. If we didn't have the list then National would have 41 seats, Labour 27, Act/Maori/United Future 1 each. No Greens, no NZ First, and replacement leaders for Labour would have to win an electorate, meaning Andrew Little wouldn't even have had a chance (and so far he's probably the best leader that Labour have had since Clarke). STV, in the absence of a list, involves redrawing electoral boundaries but also multiple seats per electorate. I'm fairly sure you can stand multiple candidates per electorate/ward and most of the local body campaigns ask you to rank a preferred ticket as your top preferences. So it would be quite possible for multiple Labour candidates to get elected in one electorate, and nothing really stopping little standing in what would be considered a 'safe' electorate provided there were multiple seats available.
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I think Binkenstein is advocating PV instead of STV for electorates. Still have the same number of electorates and one mp per electorate but instead of ticking one candidate you rank them. Under the proposed STV scheme the electorates would be larger and represented by five winning candidates. Like how health boards are currently picked.
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bobbilljim posted:get rid of electorates Nah. Get rid of democracy. Nobody knows what's really good for them. Not joking.
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Get rid of people, all of them. Ideally, this would be accomplished by someone with a lair somewhere, preferably literally in a mountain or their own volcanic island and would be given a name like "Project Vulcan" or something along those lines. Maybe they would have people hired to hench, wearing fitted jumpsuits. edogawa rando fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Mar 9, 2015 |
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Slavvy posted:Nah. Get rid of democracy. Nobody knows what's really good for them. instead of candidates or party names, you have to put a tick next to a summary of the party's policies that you like the most they are then legally bound to follow through when in power still, people would find a way to ruin that wouldn't they
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bobbilljim posted:instead of candidates or party names, you have to put a tick next to a summary of the party's policies that you like the most You're onto it, but you've missed the fundamental flaw of any democracy: most people are dumb cunts. Any system, however perfect and fair, that relies on the decision making of dumb cunts is doomed to failure. Thus the choices are to educate and raise people in a way that they aren't dumb cunts, or to get rid of the dumb cunts altogether. So the most economical solution by far is still: Vagabundo posted:Get rid of people, all of them.
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Varkk posted:I think Binkenstein is advocating PV instead of STV for electorates. Still have the same number of electorates and one mp per electorate but instead of ticking one candidate you rank them. Under the proposed STV scheme the electorates would be larger and represented by five winning candidates. Like how health boards are currently picked. Ah yes, sorry, PV for electorates in an MMP system would be best, is what I mean
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Binkenstein posted:Ah yes, sorry, PV for electorates in an MMP system would be best, is what I mean STV owns though - "Please rank the 150 people standing in your electorate in order of preference. The more you rank, the more effective your vote is. Please note it will take three days to actually cast a vote."
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Mar 9, 2015 02:58
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Exclamation Marx posted:
Spending money on roads that aren't in Auckland? Prepare to lose your votes, national!
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In which the Prime Minister doesn't know what mass surveillance means
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Well that was certainly very frustrating to listen to. Does he not know who he works for? Will he resign, as he said he would? Does he realise that a lot of new zealand citizens are anti US? Goddamn what a loving wanker. Edit: dismissing actions because "they are just anti-us and anti spying" - well no poo poo, of course they are. That's the whole loving point. The. Whole. Point. Not liking us foreign policy, and not liking how nz interacts with the us, and not liking spy agencies are all perfectly valid and supportable viewpoints. klen dool fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Mar 9, 2015 |
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Mar 9, 2015 05:03
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So, Steven Joyce's new press sec is TV3's Rachel Morton. http://ruminator.co.nz/tv3-seemingly-prepared-to-help-the-nats-with-a-dirty-deal/
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The man who took the car keys from a tourist on a narrow, winding South Island road did not hold a valid New Zealand driver licence, it has been revealed.
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I am perfectly comfortable in believing that he is representative of all South Island residents, and therefore judging and condemning the entirety of the population of South Island by extension.
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Vagabundo posted:I am perfectly comfortable in believing that he is representative of all South Island residents, and therefore judging and condemning the entirety of the population of South Island by extension. Agreed, unironically.
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Exclamation Marx posted:
Not the only thing he gets a man in for.
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:The man who took the car keys from a tourist on a narrow, winding South Island road did not hold a valid New Zealand driver licence, it has been revealed. Ahahahahahah Vagabundo posted:I am perfectly comfortable in believing that he is representative of all South Island residents, and therefore judging and condemning the entirety of the population of South Island by extension. 
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He's gone from "It's lawful" to "someone else will tell me if the law is being broken" http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11414525
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Just go ahead and admit that nobody in your ministry actually cares if it's lawful or not because you believe it's necessary and therefore if it's revealed at a future date to be obviously and plainly illegal you will pass more urgent legislation to retroactively legalise it.
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Binkenstein posted:He's gone from "It's lawful" to "someone else will tell me if the law is being broken" Wasn't he the minister for spying up until recently? Because, you know, you should probably know what's lawful and what in the thing you run for the country.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Key posted:On 6 October 2014, John Key created a new ministerial portfolio called the Minister of National Security and Intelligence. The Minister of National Security and Intelligence will be responsible for setting national security and intelligence police and legislation, and will also head a newly established National Security Committee of Cabinet. The Prime Minister will assume the new portfolio while the Attorney General Christopher Finlayson will assume the portfolios of Minister Responsible for the Government Communications Security Bureau (GCSB) and Minister in Charge of the New Zealand Security Intelligence Service (NZSIS), which have traditionally been held by the Prime Minister.[68][69] I guess he still has this role?
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bobbilljim posted:I guess he still has this role? quote:Attorney General Christopher Finlayson will assume the portfolios of Minister Responsible for taking the blame when the GCSB gently caress up
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https://firstlook.org/theintercept/...w-retracts-vow/ update, JK says he won't resign if we do mass surveillance, and he won't confirm or deny that we do it. Also he won't really talk about it at all, and doesn't really understand what it is, who he is, or what day of the week it is.
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Ratios and Tendency posted:Key's claiming that the $69,000,000 pork barrel Northland bridges that Simon Bridges said he decided on on Friday(the day after the ugly Winston poll) were actually "planned before the election but delayed by Kim Dotcom and Nicky Hager" John Key, a robot made flesh by Fox News
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Ratios and Tendency posted:Key's claiming that the $69,000,000 pork barrel Northland bridges that Simon Bridges said he decided on on Friday(the day after the ugly Winston poll) were actually "planned before the election but delayed by Kim Dotcom and Nicky Hager"
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:John Key, a robot made flesh by Newstalk ZB
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Ratios and Tendency posted:Key's claiming that the $69,000,000 pork barrel Northland bridges that Simon Bridges said he decided on on Friday(the day after the ugly Winston poll) were actually "planned before the election but delayed by Kim Dotcom and Nicky Hager" That is kind of brilliant.
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