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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Am I making things up or Snyder's gradually replacing the Batfamily with his own characters?
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Mar 3, 2015 02:47
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Harper's pretty awesome, imo.
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Mar 3, 2015 02:59
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You're right with Julia, however, Snyder brought her back from the limbo and re invented her. My point is, Julia is taking over Alfred as the Cave contact. Harper has taken over as Bruce's field partner and recently Duke has gotten relevance with Endgame. On the other hand most of the Batfamily appearances have been meaningless in the big picture. At some point it seems they are just there because. Now, getting them out of Bruce's shadow is fantastic but the execution is sloppy. I'm sure taking them out of the stories entirely would improve them. Well, Eternal, at least.
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Mar 3, 2015 03:03
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I think you just hate Eternal because, like, twelve different artists have given Jason a mask mouth in one series.
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Mar 3, 2015 03:06
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Harper's in no way taken over as Bruce's field partner. She's been mostly under Tim's supervision, it's not like she's going out on patrol with him. She's getting better and proving her usefulness and both in Eternal and Batman there's huge apocalyptic scenarios going on where Bruce needs all the help he can get. He just deputized Bane and the rest of the rogues in Endgame for cryin out loud. Especially since both storylines apparently take place before Damian's resurrection which leaves Bruce without one clear solid 'partner'.
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Mar 3, 2015 03:14
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Thats my point. Harper, Cullen, Duke and Julia are the ones getting development on Snyder's stories. Jason, Barbara and Tim are mostly there for the group shots, barely having lines. Harper working with Bruce is also interesting because before Damian's death Bruce worked alone under Snyder's pen. Eternal is a weird case because by cramming every named character into it, had tons of plotlines that doesn't advance the main narrative. You could take them out and devote more time to the actual protagonists (Steph, Harper, Selina, Julia) thus streamlining and tightening the story.
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Mar 3, 2015 03:23
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You see that as a problem, but I think it's perfect because Jason, Barbara and Tim all have their own books that they lead. Even Damian and Dick never had major roles in "Batman" either and that's because they also have their own books they star in. No one uses Harper or Julia outside of Snyder right now in comparison, so if you like those characters "Batman" and Eternal for now is the only book you can see them in.
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Mar 3, 2015 03:30
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lotus circle posted:You see that as a problem, but I think it's perfect because Jason, Barbara and Tim all have their own books that they lead. Even Damian and Dick never had major roles in "Batman" either and that's because they also have their own books they star in. No one uses Harper or Julia outside of Snyder right now in comparison, so if you like those characters "Batman" and Eternal for now is the only book you can see them in. That is exactly why I think the execution is sloppy.Putting them into Batman or Eternal is taking space from the new characters for no good reason.
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Mar 3, 2015 03:39
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Snyder's run has been like, three arcs. DotF explicitly involved the entire family, Zero Year happened before any of his sidekicks even existed, and I guess Court of Owls did have him working mostly solo. I dont think you can really say he always writes Batman working alone. Again, Batman is working with Penguin, Ivy and Mr. Freeze so I dont know why him working with Harper is so upsetting. He's clearly up against the wall. They're getting development because they're undefined, new characters. Readers know who Tim and Jason and Barbara are, and everyone but Tim has their own book to develop in, anyway.
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Mar 3, 2015 03:42
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Travis343 posted:Snyder's run has been like, three arcs. DotF explicitly involved the entire family, Zero Year happened before any of his sidekicks even existed, and I guess Court of Owls did have him working mostly solo. I dont think you can really say he always writes Batman working alone. Again, Batman is working with Penguin, Ivy and Mr. Freeze so I dont know why him working with Harper is so upsetting. He's clearly up against the wall. I think I didn't explained myself correctly. I'm not arguing for the former Robins and Babs to have a bigger role on Snyder's stories. I'm arguing that it would be better if they wouldn't have a role in the first place. So far they don't provide nothing of relevance to the stories beyond the obligatory meeting with Bruce where they call him out on his attitude and cool spreads. Taking them out of the equation would gave more space for the new characters to shine and receive the development they deserve while also streamlining the narrative. Now about Eternal, the most consistent complaint I've seen is about how it has so many plotlines that only clutter the book and rarely have a satisfactory conclusion. Take the small (and ultimately meaningless) roles the Batfamily has and the story would only improve.
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Mar 3, 2015 05:31
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:I think I didn't explained myself correctly. The only Eternal story I haven't liked has been Batwings. Everyone else has been fine.
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Mar 3, 2015 05:40
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Joker related Comixology sale https://www.comixology.com/Joker-Sale/page/5641?ref=c2l0ZS9pbmRleC9kZXNrdG9wL2xhcmdlQ2Fyb3VzZWw Death OF the Family + tie ins Death IN the Family Emperor Joker The Joker (1975) Joker's Asylum Joker: Last Laugh etc: Batman #1, 251, 450-451, Batman Confidential 7-12, Legends OTDK 50, 142-146, Detective Comics 471-476, 784-786, I Joker, Batman: Joker's Apprentice, The Man Who Laughed.
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Mar 3, 2015 05:56
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Now about Eternal, the most consistent complaint I've seen is about how it has so many plotlines that only clutter the book and rarely have a satisfactory conclusion. Take the small (and ultimately meaningless) roles the Batfamily has and the story would only improve. Fact is we have multiple monthly books where Batman alone plays a large role in (and not just Batline books) and new characters find difficulty being accepted if surrounding present characters do not welcome them either. Harper has been in Snyder's Batman for a long time now in the background, but only now she's gaining popularity thanks to Eternal and it does have a good deal to do with her interacting with other characters like Tim and Stephanie. We don't need Eternal to be solely focused on Bruce and not include his partners because that's what Batman and even Detective Comics is for. It also seems callous that Gotham is going to poo poo and none of his partners are even there to help, which Snyder does at least address with Endgame. lotus circle fucked around with this message at 06:01 on Mar 3, 2015 |
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Mar 3, 2015 05:59
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Timeless Appeal posted:Funny Book Babylon. It was a goon project that included one of the first podcasts I listened to on the regular. It involved a bunch of smart dudes having a pretty intelligent conversation about comics while their producer split hairs and derailed verything. http://funnybookbabylon.com/category/reviews/annotations-reviews/ Then he moved over to ComicsAlliance with them because they actually pay money: http://comicsalliance.com/category/annotations/ Also included in the second link are his current Multiversity annotations, plus an aborted series of Hickman FF annotations he and I did together.
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Mar 3, 2015 06:06
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lotus circle posted:I don't agree. There's no point having a giant year long weekly book only focused on Bruce and excluding his partners who exist in Gotham. One of the major complaints of the New 52 in regards to Batman books has been the streamlined and minimization of the batfamily. They made Bruce go through multiple Robins in a few years, got rid of popular characters like Cassandra and Stephanie completely and created a lack of connectivity in the group overall. Eternal is a solution to that by having Bruce's partners actively involved in the book in many ways. Although the only classic character still on Gotham (not counting Damian), is Barbara. Tim is in NY with the Titans, Dick is on Spyral and Jason is globetrotting with the Outlaws. I would rather have more issues focused on how exactly Steph went from a scared girl hiding on the library to a world class atlhete in matter of days. I enjoyed the Harper focused issues on Batman, but her interactions with Tim on Eternal are pretty much, "Tim is outsmarted and Harper saves the day" Eternal also has pacing issues, plot lines are abandoned for weeks and most of the time they feel disconnected from the main narrative. What was the point of the Corrigan plotline? What happened to Gordon or Vicky Vale?
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Mar 3, 2015 06:19
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Is Ace the Bathound still around?
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Mar 3, 2015 07:13
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The current batdog is named Titus. There's also Alfred: the cat and Batcow: the cow.
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Mar 3, 2015 07:18
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Teenage Fansub posted:The current batdog is named Titus. There's also Alfred: the cat and Batcow: the cow. 
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Mar 3, 2015 07:23
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I like that the only superheroes the Forever People have met have been Guy Gardner and Batcow.
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Mar 3, 2015 07:27
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Teenage Fansub posted:I think you just hate Eternal because, like, twelve different artists have given Jason a mask mouth in one series. To be fair to him, even though it is a petty complaint, Frowny Red Hood is pretty dumb. Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Although the only classic character still on Gotham (not counting Damian), is Barbara. Tim is in NY with the Titans, Dick is on Spyral and Jason is globetrotting with the Outlaws. Tim and Jason are off doing their things... except when they aren't. They'll show up when they need to, they're just sticking to the time-honored tradition of "existing where the story needs them to be" just like how Papa Bruce can hang out with the Justice League one minute then go on solo adventures the next. And the point of the Corrigan plot was to blow up Arkham. Arkham's gone and DC built up interest in Corrigan/Spectre, and got two spinoff books (Arkham Manor and Gotham By Midnight) out of the whole deal.
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Mar 3, 2015 07:51
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lotus circle posted:They also only appear in Batman and Robin consistently. Tomasi's next new 52 ongoing should be "Batfarm." "Batskipit, because it's poo poo."
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Mar 3, 2015 09:04
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Finally catching up on post-Williams Batwoman. Holy hell this book got terrible faster than I've ever seen a book get terrible.
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Mar 9, 2015 16:28
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Travis343 posted:Finally catching up on post-Williams Batwoman. Holy hell this book got terrible faster than I've ever seen a book get terrible. That's how I felt when Tynion started on RHATO 
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Mar 9, 2015 16:45
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Batwoman was good to begin with, though
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Mar 9, 2015 17:01
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Can't really comment on that. The way Kate was drawn with a ghostly white bothered me so much that I never picked up the title. And hey, different strokes. If anything, everyone agrees that Tynion's run on RHATO was an unreadable mess.
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Mar 9, 2015 17:05
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Can't really comment on that. The way Kate was drawn with a ghostly white bothered me so much that I never picked up the title.
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Mar 9, 2015 17:07
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redbackground posted:You have the weirdest hangups, I swear.
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Mar 9, 2015 17:43
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FilthyImp posted:His complaint is as dumb as saying something like "This Batman comic is good but I can't get around the dude dressing like a bat". You know, despite there being a legitimate rationale behind that for the character. Like Batwoman's faux vampire superstitious cowardly lot ensemble.  I did catch the vampire motif but the fact she was equally as pale out of costume, was very distracting.
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Mar 9, 2015 17:49
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:
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Mar 9, 2015 17:58
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Travis343 posted:Finally catching up on post-Williams Batwoman. Holy hell this book got terrible faster than I've ever seen a book get terrible. I had a lot of problems with the book when he was on it to be fair. Artistic ability was never in question tho.
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Mar 9, 2015 17:59
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Was Taters posted:I had a lot of problems with the book when he was on it to be fair. Artistic ability was never in question tho. Agree with this. While the artwork was amazing to look at I found all the time jumps in each issues to be really annoying.
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Mar 9, 2015 18:08
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Not saying he was as good as Rucka's work on the character but it was a comic I looked forward to every month. Then bam, she's in outer space for some Goddamn reason.
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Mar 9, 2015 18:18
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Yeah a lot of people were upset that Batwoman got cancelled, but sales were declining since Blackman/Williams left and not even Doyle's editorial guidance that led to the Unknowns could save the sales. Numbers actually dropped in October for that book, while Batgirl got a big boost and Catwoman a modest one. It'll come back eventually I think, especially with rumors of more new books slated to come out in July, but for now it needs to take a break if it's not going to sell.
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Mar 9, 2015 19:18
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It needs a real clear direction and a solid creative team if it ever gets going again. And she needs to not be a vampire, or at least know she's a vampire.
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Mar 9, 2015 20:04
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I'd rather her not have a book than have her be raped by a vampire every loving month.
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Mar 9, 2015 20:55
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With the exception of the Wonder Woman team-up, Batwoman was absolute garbage since Rucka left. Gorgeous, beautifully composed garbage but still garbage. They've hosed up the character so badly it's utterly depressing.
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Mar 10, 2015 00:21
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Has Andreyko done anything good since Manhunter? Cuz it was pretty embarrassing seeing him try to defend the vampire-rape story with the "No, no, it's romantic, and complex, you'll see!" tactic.
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Mar 10, 2015 03:43
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Batman no more! Bruce has chosen a new spirit animal! http://www.newsarama.com/23742-meet-dc-s-all-new-batman.html that's a drat bunny
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Mar 10, 2015 16:45
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That giant loving gun... I feel like I've woken up in the 1990s.
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Mar 10, 2015 17:04
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redbackground posted:Batman no more! Bruce has chosen a new spirit animal!  What the hell? Man, now I'm so glad about DC being more lenient towards canon and continuity.
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