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Crowsbeak posted:Remind me, how is leash the New Dems, because they are a bunch of cowards who will move with the wind accelerationism? its how the parasite wing of the GOP took over. They took over the local and state party apparatus's in the 60-70s, it was only then that they could get Reagan. What I am arguing isn't accelerationist, its how you do politics. Now perhaps I am a bit of an accelerationist in the fact that I really do believe that America will not be safe till we have had some sort of attempt by the parasites to rise up, fallowed b the necessary security measures. But beyond that I really do not hold your views that we should do nothing and let the degenerates rule. I thought that the moderate, third way democrat approach was decidedly out of fashion after the midterm shellacking last year. Being that red/purple state voters generally prefer to elect actual republicans instead. Or did I totally misread the consensus after the midterms?
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Mo_Steel posted:So apparently we just declared Venezuela a threat: I wouldn't discount DOJ linking high up Venezeulan (sp?) political figures with protecting drug cartels (which I also believe includes the head of their legislature). The Arkansas Times also posted more details on the Harris adoption thing that are particularily infuraiting. I can post them if people are interested in the topic.
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Slaan posted:Why does anyone agree to be the President of a National Frat organization? It seems like you'd be in damage control mode from this kind of poo poo constantly. Easy money and a metric fuckload of connections you make. Farking Bastage posted:Why don't they just stop beating around the bush at this point and start just calling him a friend of the family? Rick Santorum already did. Shageletic posted:This article is a couple of weeks old, but the hypcrosy, its just too strong At least the broadband bullshit is getting killed by the FCC, though we can expect to see some amazingly hypocritcal court cases as state governments fight the FCC on that at the behest of telecomms. Majorian posted:Plant evidence of him being involved in a terrorist plot and have him arrested. Same thing with his VP candidate. He's a Bush so you wouldn't have to plant anything. Horrible pun not intended
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Shageletic posted:The Arkansas Times also posted more details on the Harris adoption thing that are particularily infuraiting. I can post them if people are interested in the topic. Please do. That sort of child-swapping scam is one of the few real honest-to-god "welfare scams" around these days, in the sense of systematic exploitation of public benefits by private individuals. The nastiest form of it is adopting disabled children, accepting the bonus $$ from the state, then dropping the kids off at a long-term public institution in another state and keeping the $$ bonus.
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Antti posted:There's also an unsubstantiated (IIRC) story that Reagan persuaded the Iranians to hold off on releasing the embassy hostages until the 1980 election. "A few months ago, I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and evidence tell me it is not."
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UV_Catastrophe posted:I thought that the moderate, third way democrat approach was decidedly out of fashion after the midterm shellacking last year. Being that red/purple state voters generally prefer to elect actual republicans instead. http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/234224-centrist-dems-ready-strike-against-warren-wing The lickspittles are scared that the rank and file has decided it no longer needs them, so now they are whining to the publications that will listen.
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Crowsbeak posted:Remind me, how is leash the New Dems, because they are a bunch of cowards who will move with the wind accelerationism? its how the parasite wing of the GOP took over. They took over the local and state party apparatus's in the 60-70s, it was only then that they could get Reagan. What I am arguing isn't accelerationist, its how you do politics. Now perhaps I am a bit of an accelerationist in the fact that I really do believe that America will not be safe till we have had some sort of attempt by the parasites to rise up, fallowed b the necessary security measures. But beyond that I really do not hold your views that we should do nothing and let the degenerates rule. I'm going to try to play the UsPol game and answer you, since they've made it clear it's my personality and not my politics they really disagree with. The common wisdom is as follows: quote:Now perhaps I am a bit of an accelerationist in the fact that I really do believe that America will not be safe till we have had some sort of attempt by the parasites to rise up, fallowed b the necessary security measures. To believe that there will be some kind of uprising or "civil war 2" is simply stupid thinking; only people on freep talk about poo poo like that. It is not reasonable to talk about the right wing in America as having some potential to ACTUALLY rise up and have some kind of "parasitic" rebellion in this day and age. The reason we do not have to worry about the GOP on a political level is that they have a clown car of presidential candidates that can never win, and that Hillary Clinton, barring some illness, is going to be elected president in 2016. And again, the common wisdom is that Clinton can get things done and will be much more effective in the face of GOP opposition than Obama has been. And the idea, as best I can tell, is to allow the political process in this country to continue in the most gradualist way possible. All these "problems" that you and I and UV_Catastrophe see are really just artifacts of some weird, wrong perspective: UV_Catastrophe posted:Between Florida attempting to censor the mention of climate change, McConnell trying to get state governors to rebel against CO2 regulations, red state governments attempting to thwart local environment regulations, and GOP senators trying their hardest to steer us towards war with Iran, I don't know what to think. Most important is that we not think about things in terms of "not having enough time". The GOP is decisively NOT smart enough to be playing some kind of ridiculous 11th-dimensional chess, where they're just stalling things and buying time while multinational corporations use the cover of legislative inaction to push the limits of exploitation and extraction as far as they can before everything's under water. The GOP are idiots, and anyway, the TPP and TTIP are bipartisan efforts anyway. They aren't using some form of constant whining about being victimized by liberals as a justification for why conservatism is failing. They aren't kicking the poo poo out of liberals and progressives on the state and local level. Try repeating these things to yourself. The most important thing is to not put these pieces of evidence together into a form that makes it look like corporate interests have learned how to manipulate legislation and legislatures into a position that protects them maximally at the expense of the dwindling middle class and the teeming working poor. Otherwise, you might feel a sense of "impending doom" or think that American Democrats are "cowards", and really, REALLY, we're doing the best we possibly can, and we don't want to have the blood of millions on our hands (which is definitely not just going to happen anyways! DEFINITELY.).
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Kalman posted:Per bag charges are actually pretty effective at reducing bag use, particularly if the bag fee is used for conservation and cleanup. DC (and a couple surrounding areas) have one and bag usage dropped a ton. Oh yeah I think it's pretty great. I know I've definitely cut my usage down. Good news, black America! Obama is going to make sure you won't be prosecuted for any crime, according to noted shithead Kris Kobach. http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/kansas-kobach-breaks-new-anti-obama-ground
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Mar 9, 2015 19:01
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Quote of the day, "Chocolate." ~ Bernie Sanders' response when asked what Ben & Jerry's flavor he'd use his clout to save if it was going to be discontinued. Fact check: Ben & Jerry's does have a plain chocolate flavor, but it is only available at their branded scoop shops.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Please do. quote:Friday afternoon, Rep. Justin Harris and his wife Marsha held a press conference at the state Capitol to address the revelations in this week's Arkansas Times cover story about their failed adoption, which ended in the "rehoming" of two girls in a household where one of them was sexually abused. As Max Brantley wrote yesterday, it was an emotional statement. But extensive reporting we've done these past few days casts doubt upon crucial points in the narrative Justin Harris delivered Friday. quote:1) The Harrises weren't told what they were getting into. "We were misled by DHS to believe that the youngest two [sisters] did not have any severe issues," Harris said on Friday. quote:DCFS Director Cecile Blucker is the person ultimately in charge of adoption and foster care for the state of Arkansas. Harris said Blucker is the one who informed him of the possibility of an abandonment charge when he and Marsha were struggling to handle the girls. In the interview with Petrimoux, he said "I did go to her and ... we were told we could get the charge of abandonment ... I talked privately, constantly, being on the [House] committee of Children and Youth, with Cecile Blucker." quote:"And at the hearing, the ad litem attorney — you know, the one who is representing only the interests of the children — said, 'When we met less than a couple of days ago, everyone's recommendation was for these kids to not go to this home. Now, what has happened in the last 24 hours that everyone's recommendation has changed?'" quote:Craig Hart was upset at the implication that the girls were unmanageable. "Our friends, our neighbors, our church — we can get as many character witnesses as you want for those girls," he said. "And also, they’re both small children for their age. Unless he gave them guns, they weren't dangerous." quote:5) The Harrises had no options for dealing with the girls after the adoption. The Harts say that they wanted to remain involved in the girls' lives, since the girls had grown attached to the Harts. But the Harrises stopped contacting the Harts as soon as the girls were in their home in West Fork. quote:It's also unclear how much contact the Harrises had with the girls when they were in the Francises' home. Justin Harris said yesterday that it was regular and ongoing, including doctors' appointments and check-ins. However, he also said that "around February of 2014 we were incorrectly informed by DHS that the Francises had sent the girls to live with another family. After meeting with the Francises, we learned that the girls were not with the new family, but the family was in the process of completing a DHS home study with the intention of having the girls live with them." http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2015/03/07/foster-family-disputes-key-staments-from-justin-harris In short, a well connected arkansas politician used his influence and connections to bypass regulations and the opinions of local child care experts to adopt kids, drugs them, cuts off all contact with them and previous care takers and child care officials, bypasses regulations again to send them packing to a non-vetted household, promptly loses all contact of them. It's terrible.
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I don't understand why he was so drat intent on adopting them in the first place. He had to fight tooth and nail and then cheat to adopt those kids, what was in it for him? Is all just about the money?
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How are u posted:I don't understand why he was so drat intent on adopting them in the first place. He had to fight tooth and nail and then cheat to adopt those kids, what was in it for him? Is all just about the money? Given how much scripture he's quoting it sounds like some sort of religious thing. Also possibly the money, but I would expect even a state rep to have better sources for graft.
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How are u posted:I don't understand why he was so drat intent on adopting them in the first place. He had to fight tooth and nail and then cheat to adopt those kids, what was in it for him? Is all just about the money? probably he/his wife's vision of a perfect family included daughters, and they selfishly pursued their own needs above those of the girls. he already had three boys, to adopt three girls in one go is... ambitious? dunno the correct word. biting off more than he can chew. blinded by fantasy of some perfect home situation without realizing that taking care of emotionally abused orphans is in fact a hell of a lot of work and hardship whatever, it's almost certainly not about the money. it's about pig ignorant decisions and unrealistic expectations, which is worse. the shameful thing is not that they adopted in the first place, but that they quietly tried to get rid of the kids to hide their failure
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In other news, racism is completely unacceptable in America when not sufficiently obfuscated by polite language
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How are u posted:I don't understand why he was so drat intent on adopting them in the first place. He had to fight tooth and nail and then cheat to adopt those kids, what was in it for him? Is all just about the money? "We believe in the sanctity of life, and believe that all children should be born; we're proof that putting your kids up for adoption works, because we've adopted kids" or something along those lines probably plays fairly well with his voters.
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Maybe he's just REALLY into the Brady Bunch.
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Joementum posted:Here's what you can expect this week from the US legislature: I'm guessing if the Iran bill passes with veto-proof majority that it would be seen as a huge political defeat for Obama?
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Popular Thug Drink posted:probably he/his wife's vision of a perfect family included daughters, and they selfishly pursued their own needs above those of the girls. he already had three boys, to adopt three girls in one go is... ambitious? dunno the correct word. biting off more than he can chew. blinded by fantasy of some perfect home situation without realizing that taking care of emotionally abused orphans is in fact a hell of a lot of work and hardship And they gave them to a guy who looks like this (picture near the end of the article): http://www.arktimes.com/arkansas/a-child-left-unprotected/Content?oid=3691164
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UV_Catastrophe posted:Between Florida attempting to censor the mention of climate change, McConnell trying to get state governors to rebel against CO2 regulations, red state governments attempting to thwart local environment regulations, and GOP senators trying their hardest to steer us towards war with Iran, I don't know what to think. It's exactly these types of things that make the "I don't vote because they're both the same  " people so eye rolling moronic. Even the "My vote wont count anyway" idiots, yes your presidential vote may not swing the results but if you'd ever gotten off your lazy rear end and looked at a ballot you may notice there's more than "President". States passed marijuana laws, gay marriage, minimum wage increases in 2014 but again and again "I'm in a red state so why bother".
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Mitt Romney posted:I'm guessing if the Iran bill passes with veto-proof majority that it would be seen as a huge political defeat for Obama? It'd be hard to read it any other way, though it would still need to get a 2/3rds majority in the House. Pelosi normally has full control over her conference, but might not on this issue.
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Mitt Romney posted:I'm guessing if the Iran bill passes with veto-proof majority that it would be seen as a huge political defeat for Obama? Very much, yes. If Obama can leave office with a strong and growing economy, a major domestic program that is successfully helping people, and a strong foreign policy accomplishment that stabilizes the region he will have pulled off one hell of a hat trick. A president getting a big peace deal like this is a major accomplishment in the American system. Owing to how the system works, to do this and make it stick he needs to not only negotiate the deal, he then needs to sell congress on it to ratify, and sell the electorate to keep them from selecting a new group that will undue it. That costs a LOT of political capital, and as a result if he can do it it is a major win, and if it blows up in his face a major defeat. Which is a big part of why the GOP is so against it, it isn't just the warmongering views or their base's weird take on foreign policy, it is also their "Obama can't have any accomplishments as president, we must make him fail!" Fried Chicken fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Mar 9, 2015 |
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New DNC messaging and strategy document for 2016-2020 contains plans for returning to the "50-State Strategy."quote:The Democratic National Committee on Saturday released the interim findings of a review intended to examine problems in the midterm election. The report said Democrats lack a "cohesive narrative" and recommended that the party find ways to help it explain bedrock values such as fairness, equality and opportunity. Going to be tougher to implement in states where the Dems were wiped out of state and local offices. The 2010 midterms really screwed the party for at least a decade at the state, local, and congressional levels. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Mar 9, 2015 |
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UV_Catastrophe posted:In other news, racism is completely unacceptable in America when not sufficiently obfuscated by polite language They need to abolish the University of Oklahoma and probably the state of Oklahoma as well, just to be sure.
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Mitt Romney posted:I'm guessing if the Iran bill passes with veto-proof majority that it would be seen as a huge political defeat for Obama? Isn't the executive's authority over diplomatic matters something that's enshrined in the Constitution? If so then there's still the question of whether such a bill would even be legally binding. If Congress passed a veto-proof bill that stated "Congress shall have final say on all military matters" it'd get shot down because it'd be attempting to usurp the POTUS's role as CiC of the armed forces. The Dems are stupid enough to try and hamstring Obama and themselves in 2016 for Israel, though.
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Looks like Tom Cotton and 46 other Congressional Republicans, who completely understands the Constitution, are attempting some foreign diplomacy on their own. 
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Cotton also prepared a version in Farsi. He's been tweeting pictures of it at the Iranian government all afternoon.
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zoux posted:Looks like Tom Cotton and 46 other Congressional Republicans, who completely understands the Constitution, are attempting some foreign diplomacy on their own. How many Senators signed in?
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zoux posted:Looks like Tom Cotton and 46 other Congressional Republicans, who completely understands the Constitution, are attempting some foreign diplomacy on their own. list of Republican Senators who did not participate, for anybody interested: Collins (of course) Murkowski Cochran both Tennesseans Coats Flake PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Mar 9, 2015 |
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My Imaginary GF posted:How many Senators signed in? 47. Senator Tom Cotton, R-AR Senator Orrin Hatch, R-UT Senator Charles Grassley, R-IA Senator Mitch McConnell, R-KY Senator Richard Shelby, R-AL Senator John McCain, R-AZ Senator James Inhofe, R-OK Senator Pat Roberts, R-KS Senator Jeff Sessions, R-AL Senator Michael Enzi, R-WY Senator Michael Crapo, R-ID Senator Lindsey Graham, R-SC Senator John Cornyn, R-TX Senator Richard Burr, R-NC Senator John Thune, R-SD Senator Johnny Isakson, R-GA Senator David Vitter, R-LA Senator John A. Barrasso, R-WY Senator Roger Wicker, R-MS Senator Jim Risch, R-ID Senator Mark Kirk, R-IL Senator Roy Blunt, R-MO Senator Jerry Moran, R-KS Senator Rob Portman, R-OH Senator John Boozman, R-AR Senator Pat Toomey, R-PA Senator John Hoeven, R-ND Senator Marco Rubio, R-FL Senator Ron Johnson, R-WI Senator Rand Paul, R-KY Senator Mike Lee, R-UT Senator Kelly Ayotte, R-NH Senator Dean Heller, R-NV Senator Tim Scott, R-SC Senator Ted Cruz, R-TX Senator Deb Fischer, R-NE Senator Shelley Moore Capito, R-WV Senator Bill Cassidy, R-LA Senator Cory Gardner, R-CO Senator James Lankford, R-OK Senator Steve Daines, R-MT Senator Mike Rounds, R-SD Senator David Perdue, R-GA Senator Thom Tillis, R-NC Senator Joni Ernst, R-IA Senator Ben Sasse, R-NE Senator Dan Sullivan, R-AK
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Quidam Viator posted:OK everyone, this guy's an ACCELERATIONIST. I will assume now that I have no further work to do; the label has been applied. How's that persecution complex working out for you? 
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I know that I should know the whole thing by heart, but the Constitution doesn't specifically enumerate that foreign policy is the domain of the executive, does it?
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zoux posted:I know that I should know the whole thing by heart, but the Constitution doesn't specifically enumerate that foreign policy is the domain of the executive, does it? It does, actually. The Senate must approve written treaties but the President is given the power to "receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers" which is generally interpreted to mean everything else comprising "foreign policy".
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zoux posted:I know that I should know the whole thing by heart, but the Constitution doesn't specifically enumerate that foreign policy is the domain of the executive, does it? President negotiates treaties and agreements, congress ratifies them.
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Joementum posted:47. Ding-dong! The deal is dead. Which old deal? The wicked deal! Ding-dong! The wicked deal is dead.
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Joementum posted:47. What, if anything, will happen in response to this? This seems really close to violating the Logan Act....
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:New DNC messaging and strategy document for 2016-2020 contains plans for returning to the "50-State Strategy."
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zoux posted:Looks like Tom Cotton and 46 other Congressional Republicans, who completely understands the Constitution, are attempting some foreign diplomacy on their own. This feels... mildly seditious? Am I crazy?
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