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Graic you were just burned and owned by Anidav. Give up. You've lost. There is no coming back from that. Ever. This is your 4 foot tall Lebanese woman moment, you now have that one moment forever. You are the guy so pathetic that Anidav managed to out-smacktalk.
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quote:We're not looking to provide evidence. We're just looking at information of where there's likely to be an issue," he said. *not counting feigning belief and concern, obviously. SMILLENNIALSMILLEN fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Mar 9, 2015 |
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hooman posted:Did someone leave it on the top shelf of the bookshelf again? Have you lost your little step up stool? No. I said I couldn't get up from the couch. Go see if sadistech can get you one of those magnifying glass sheets.
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Murodese posted:I'm guessing not well considering when I was working in Belgium, the first thing a colleague said to me when I said I was from Australia was "oh right, the place that tortures refugees". Pretty scathing criticism from a country that banned the Burqa
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# ? Mar 9, 2015 21:32 |
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Ratbag is an extremely bad person.
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# ? Mar 9, 2015 22:35 |
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I actually wish we could come up with some convincing arguments for GG, not because it would help lurkers or whatever but because I don't think he's a troll, he's pretty much got the same opinion as 90% of the people I meet when I step outside my own personal little echo chamber, and I'd just like to know what the gently caress would convince these people that what we're doing is wrong because its actually very devastating to my emotional well-being to have to play nice IRL* with people who actually don't mind that we're complicit in the imprisonment and torture of a large group human beings because a couple of them burned a building down to protest that they were being held in lovely inhumane conditions. The "welp they rioted and burned down a building so they don't deserve poo poo" attitude is so prevalent and I just can't even get close to understanding it. Is your life really so loving comfortable and cushy that you can't think of any circumstances in which you might actually be compelled to riot in protest? What about the other 380 people in the detention centre? Do you honestly believe all 400 people, children included, are responsible for that fire? What the gently caress happened to this country when our working class became the biggest purveyors of the myopic "gently caress you, got mine" mindset? ** Were we really just a certain amount of affluence away from turning into a pack of fuckwits? Is there anything we can do to reverse this? In my vindictive mind, an economic collapse would solve all our problems, but the more I think about it the more I wonder if an actual depression would just propel us into actual honest-to-god fascism. The people that believe those in detention deserve what they get aren't literal monsters but they're so far removed from our perception of reality that no matter how much I calmly try to explain to them why what we're doing to these people is wrong regardless of if they're refugees or "economic migrants", they won't listen. I want to believe if we keep showing how bad conditions in these centres are, people will come around eventually, but as has been demonstrated in this thread, if you show an example of something that crosses their moral rubicon, they just claim our government isn't responsible for the actions of guards in another country, but it is, because we loving put them there and we are the ones that decided we didn't want them on our soil for reasons of legal technicality. What can we do? I've written my MP, I've written my Labor and Liberal Senators. I've protested and I've tried to talk to the man on the street because I'm a working class dude and I like to think they'll listen to me because I don't have an ivory tower, but the best concession I've managed to get out of someone is that they don't think its morally right but that we need to discourage queue jumpers somehow. How the gently caress did the well of our national discourse get so poisoned that we became cynical enough to treat an entire group of people that we all acknowledge risked their lives to get here as economic migrants? Who the gently caress risks the lives of their families to attain a higher standard of living? Are we that egotistical that we think our nation is so loving special that people would rather die than NOT come here? Sorry if the conversation's moved on, there was at least half a page of stuff when I started writing this, but GG's contributions to this thread are important in a hosed up way because they're the opinions of a lot of people and while I would like to put him on ignore I also don't want to stop looking for answers for how to talk to these kinds of people because I can't just put them on ignore in real life and they're loving everywhere. On the other hand I have absolutely no evidence to suggest there's anything I can do to change their minds, so maybe the echo chamber is for the best, because its loving exhausting just acknowledging that our nation is full of people who honestly believe its ok to imprison children in a squalid hell hole just for the crime of coming here on a loving boat, let alone trying to convince them of anything. *by which I mean not saying that they should shove cyanide up their rear end ** "The Howard Years" is an accurate but not very informative answer to this
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# ? Mar 9, 2015 22:47 |
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This was a really good post, I'm glad you made it even if ratbag ignores it completely.
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Bifauxnen posted:This was a really good post, I'm glad you made it even if ratbag ignores it completely. why should he read a thing by any of you when just disagreeing with you leads to a demented string of embarrassing petulant meltdowns
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Orkin Mang posted:why should he read a thing by any of you when just disagreeing with you leads to a demented string of embarrassing petulant meltdowns He clearly cares because he keeps posting here.
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MC Eating Disorder posted:The "welp they rioted and burned down a building so they don't deserve poo poo" attitude is so prevalent and I just can't even get close to understanding it. It's a lot easier to deal with if you think they deserve it. If you thought they didn't deserve it you might have to reevaluate your own position, which would mean admitting you were wrong, which is very difficult for a lot of people, especially when they see people who support refugees as latte-sipping, good-doing, inner-city-living antichrists. http://www.peplaulab.ucla.edu/Peplau_Lab/Publications_files/Rubin%20%26%20Peplau%201975s.pdf
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Orkin Mang posted:why should he read a thing by any of you when just disagreeing with you leads to a demented string of embarrassing petulant meltdowns This Not once did he answer a question or even address a point made by anyone in a reasoned way. Since it's a troll account I'm betting its one of the regulars from here having fun making you all poo poo the bed
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# ? Mar 10, 2015 00:14 |
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I care so little about auspol that I post in it every day, what of it carefags
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# ? Mar 10, 2015 00:15 |
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LOL talk about shutting the gate after the horse has bolted: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-10/abbott-government-reinstating-241-billion-in-car-industry-fund/6292868 quote:The Abbott Government is set to reinstate nearly $1 billion in funding for the car industry, in its latest move to cast aside several contentious policies.
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Maybe they can reopen the Lightburn factory.
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You Am I posted:LOL talk about shutting the gate after the horse has bolted: Yeah, I doubt this is going to change Holden or Toyota's decision at all. They've already started the plans to shutdown and it's doubtful that $1b alone is going to make a difference. Adults in charge, etc.
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norp posted:This Dunno why people keep insisting he is some sort of fabricated gimmick account when he represents a very real and sizeable chunk of the Australian voting population as MCED said.
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# ? Mar 10, 2015 00:32 |
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Whether he's a troll or not doesn't really matter, it's not like people are posting for his benefit. At least I hope they aren't.
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cpaf posted:Dunno why people keep insisting he is some sort of fabricated gimmick account when he represents a very real and sizeable chunk of the Australian voting population as MCED said. Ehhh, he's at least partially trolling. He tells us that he won't share his "real views" because all us mean ol' lefties with jump all over him, but that happens anyway since he says other reprehensible poo poo. Clearly he must not have much of a problem with people telling him to go off himself since he keeps coming back and posting, either that or he's actually dumb enough to stick his hand in the proverbial fire over and over again, in which case he's also too dumb to understand anyone's arguments and changing his opinion is pretty much futile.
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Meanwhile back in Perth: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-10/parliamentary-clerk-carrying-baseball-bat-when-arrested/6293038 quote:Parliamentary clerk carrying baseball bat, balaclava when arrested, police say
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Seems pretty parliamentary to me.
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# ? Mar 10, 2015 00:45 |
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Our political fixers over here mean business.
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This got emailed to the Greens office. Election season~
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Bill Shorten Drops Ice Cream Cone Seconds After Purchase posted:Photos and tweets from bystanders have surfaced indicating that Opposition Leader Bill Shorten was spotted dropping an ice cream cone this morning mere seconds after purchasing it from the ice cream truck.
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Is it bad that I feel really sad when I see someone drop an ice-cream? It's just so tragic. Moments before getting to the tasty goodness of ice-cream, it is thrust out of your hands by the cruel and harsh hand of gravity. It's loving tragic.
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You Am I posted:LOL talk about shutting the gate after the horse has bolted: This is the dumbest thing. Forget about funding programs to re-train or educate the people who will be losing their jobs, and forget about using that money to support businesses and industry that's still actually operating in areas like Elizabeth. Just hand over a billion dollars to GM and Toyota. It was exactly this kind of corporate welfare that led to the situation we're in. If I worked at Holden I would want to riot.
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cpaf posted:Dunno why people keep insisting he is some sort of fabricated gimmick account when he represents a very real and sizeable chunk of the Australian voting population as MCED said. If you think of ratbag's posts as a sort of training dummy for arguing points with actual people then they are much easier to consider. If you are discussing this sort of thing with a person in real life (for argument’s sake, I mean, who talks to people in real life) and you're going to go with the "take a cyanide suppository" approach, well, it should be clear that you not going to change many minds, and then just being surprised when that inexplicably doesn’t change his tune is just dumb. It's not a shame that ratbag won't read MCED's post because it shouldn’t have been aimed at him, to me it read more as a sort of conciliatory post towards the rest of the thread, from someone reaching out in mutual exasperation after dealing with the sort ideologies like ratbag's that wear you down with their insensitivity and to which you need to work out how to best address their points reasonably and logically and see if you can bring them around with critical thinkioh wait sorry this is Australia yeah we’re fukt. Fruity Gordo posted:Bill Shorten Drops Ice Cream Cone Seconds After Purchase: LABOR WASTE
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Lets riot anyway. I feel like rioting all the time now.
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Mad Katter posted:This is the dumbest thing. Forget about funding programs to re-train or educate the people who will be losing their jobs, and forget about using that money to support businesses and industry that's still actually operating in areas like Elizabeth. Just hand over a billion dollars to GM and Toyota. Actually rioting only means that you're eligible for torture, so it wouldn't be in their rational self-interest to express their anger in any way other than at the ballot box in the appropriate time as set out in the Commonwealth Electoral Act 1918. In the meantime they should take heart that the wisdom of the free market will find a way, the filthy loving prole scum.
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Howdy, Appreciate your views. It's funny though how few political views I actually give yet I'm all of these imagined horrible things just because I don't dance when the mob demands I explain myself. People here say I'm disturbed. I'm not the one going full retard demanding that I commit suicide or that they intend to rape and kill me. If this is how you intend to change popular opinion with mainstream Australia then all I can say is LOL, good loving luck. All in all though it is fun to read auspol. When you aren't acting like completely tribal fuckwits you can be fairly insightful.
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Graic Gabtar posted:Howdy, Can you see the reasoning behind asking for an explanation for views?
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Les Affaires posted:Can you see the reasoning behind asking for an explanation for views? From where I sit it's to it would seem to be to gather further ammo for further waves of vitriol.
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# ? Mar 10, 2015 01:19 |
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Holy hell you're a crybaby.
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# ? Mar 10, 2015 01:20 |
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I agree Craig, you should probably stop posting forever so as not to give us any more ammo or any more reason to think that you're a very bad person. A sound decision which will yield best results.
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Graic Gabtar posted:From where I sit it's to it would seem to be to gather further ammo for further waves of vitriol. I don't think I've ever asked you to top yourself or anything like it, I just prefer it when people have a basis to their claims. I think we all do, wouldn't you agree?
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cpaf posted:Dunno why people keep insisting he is some sort of fabricated gimmick account when he represents a very real and sizeable chunk of the Australian voting population as MCED said. Seriously, I'm at least 40% sure he's actually my dad
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Murodese posted:Seriously, I'm at least 40% sure he's actually my dad I'm the other 60%
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Graic Gabtar posted:
You've done more dancing in avoiding answering anything than you would if you just posted in good faith. I haven't and don't intend to aim any vitriol at you and I'd still like to see you post something beyond the pointless little time wasting posts you've been making. It does get more interesting here when "outsiders" are actually willing to engage in a real exchange of ideas.
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markgreyam posted:If you think of ratbag's posts as a sort of training dummy for arguing points with actual people then they are much easier to consider. If you are discussing this sort of thing with a person in real life (for argument’s sake, I mean, who talks to people in real life) and you're going to go with the "take a cyanide suppository" approach, well, it should be clear that you not going to change many minds, and then just being surprised when that inexplicably doesn’t change his tune is just dumb. Yeah, this is pretty much my argument. Going Fruity Gordo at people isn't going to change any minds ever, because people bunker the gently caress down when they're under attack. Manipulating them into changing their opinion is far more effective.
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That's a D/ Come out swinging, only C/ Make poo poo up to go -/- Adnar posted:Keating has written an piece for SMH re Super: I did an effort post about this recently. Even without considering the long term impacts on our super system this is dumb. First home buyers haven't been in the system long enough for their accumulated super to look anything like a house deposit. Like the medicare changes it only makes sense if you are actually trying to break the system. -/- Stopping deaths at sea quote:There are other, more immediate actions the government could also take to help prevent further deaths at sea. One is to remove its harsh people smuggling sentencing laws along with the policy of confiscating asylum seeker boats. These policies only incentivise people smugglers to utilise vessels that are unseaworthy, overcrowded and manned by inexperienced, uninformed and often desperate and underage Indonesians, altogether increasing the risk of a tragedy at sea. How quickly we forget that Australia had (and still does) a policy of actively assisting the deaths of Asylum seekers at sea. The reason there are no more boat arrivals is 100% smoke and mirrors in any case. An island in Darwin Harbour doesn't count. If we tow them back or let them go in doctored lifeboats it's not our problem if they are subsequently harmed. But even then: Like throwing your garbage over the fence into your neighbours yard, the macho 'on water' bullshit doesn't remove the huge number of desperate people fleeing persecution and warfare (Wars we may have started and regimes we often either helped install or support). It just increases the danger to them as they seek other channels. These may or may not be as perilous but suggesting we've solved the issue of deaths at sea is loving ludicrous. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/31/italy-sea-mission-thousands-risk Every time anyone tries to suggest our current policy has somehow prevented deaths at sea they should be pilloried. It's a lie. Here's some graphs that are tangentially related to other myths and some resources. http://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/docs/news&events/rw/2010/4%20-%20Myths%20and%20facts%20about%20refugees%20and%20asylum%20seekers%202010.pdf http://www.asrc.org.au/pdf/myths-facts-solutions-info_.pdf -/- I think we have begun the long spiral into the Tory vote recovery (despite that last poll). We now need a NEW WAR ON DRUGS!!!!! ICE EPIDEMIC OH MY GOD LAW AND ORDER!!!! http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/australia-seeks-help-abroad-in-ice-battle/6292670 quote:Australia seeks help abroad in ice battle Well if they were actually listening to any sane advice 'abroad' they'd know that 'battle', 'war' and incarceration were a spectacular gently caress up. To the point that if anyone mentions War on Drugs seriously they should be mocked relentlessly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Drugs Everybody who isn't a nincompoop knows this has been a ghastly, expensive and embarrassing failure. The Australian population isn't really that stupid are they? Muppet Government for Muppets, by muppets. -/- And I'm not done being mad yet. ANZAC day A reminder. ANZAC day is commemorated (Note - not celebrated) on the anniversary of our involvement in a futile misadventure at the direction of a distant foreign (Although historically connected) power. This is the day we chose because it reflected the widespread view that we should never throw the flower of our nation away in anything so futile ever again. The historical gravitas of the commemoration and the solemn intoning of 'Lest we Forget' is also meant to encompass this view. To usurp the message of ANZAC day is about the most deeply disrespectful thing you could do to the memory and wishes of my ancestors. I never got to see a large number of my great uncles and uncles because of the stupidity of 1914 and the subsequent horrors of 1939. I will not be lectured on the fighting spirit of our brave service personnel by the likes of NTATA who repeats the lessons that our forebears begged us all to never forget. gently caress that.
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