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Rinkles posted:Onslaught showed us that basically anything w/ morph is playable. Fixed for the babbies too young to have learned from the correct epoch 
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God drat it, outraced by another old fogey Back in my day you weren't so hasty ... cuz haste wasn't a keyword grumble grumble Rinkles posted:
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Mar 10, 2015 04:54
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I played Onslaught you old farts (before I learnt about limited, however) But that was a very differently balanced (or imbalanced) set, so I don't actually know how true that was back when.
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Mar 10, 2015 05:19
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So are the new set concepts moving to 2 color decks, I think I read that the prereleases are gonna be 2 color to represent the dragons better?
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Mar 10, 2015 05:20
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 Oh hey it isn't garbage. Color me surprised.
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Mar 10, 2015 05:22
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Tatum Girlparts posted:So are the new set concepts moving to 2 color decks, I think I read that the prereleases are gonna be 2 color to represent the dragons better? Dragons is 2-color factions instead of 3-color ones, yeah. Every big set is different, though.
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Mar 10, 2015 05:23
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Hellsau posted:
Eh, that's alright I guess. That last ability is a pretty cool flavor & mechanics hit, and I'm glad they got to put that art on a card.
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Mar 10, 2015 05:24
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If your mana can support having colorless lands in it, the ability to pull back something using up what is essentially a land draw is pretty good. I just don't know if there's a deck right now that can handle that opportunity cost.
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Mar 10, 2015 05:26
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Holy poo poo that's actually perfectly fine. Get back Ugin, get back Stormbreaths? Sure.
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Mar 10, 2015 05:26
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Speaking of, has anyone worked out what the point of Crucible of the Spirit Dragon is? Besides teaching people a valuable lesson about opening packs, of course.
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Mar 10, 2015 05:30
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Alris posted:Speaking of, has anyone worked out what the point of Crucible of the Spirit Dragon is? Besides teaching people a valuable lesson about opening packs, of course. Looks neat, doesn't it? Tribal storage land, that looks neat, yep.
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Mar 10, 2015 05:40
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Hellsau posted:
It's garbage.
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Mar 10, 2015 05:44
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Alris posted:Speaking of, has anyone worked out what the point of Crucible of the Spirit Dragon is? Besides teaching people a valuable lesson about opening packs, of course. Casting dragons, obviously.
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Mar 10, 2015 05:46
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The initial incarnation might make a bit more sense w/ the eldrazi (and drones) coming back.  (Or in GW Devotion)
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Mar 10, 2015 05:48
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Alris posted:Speaking of, has anyone worked out what the point of Crucible of the Spirit Dragon is? Besides teaching people a valuable lesson about opening packs, of course. Seems fine in EDH/casual?
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Mar 10, 2015 05:52
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Alris posted:Speaking of, has anyone worked out what the point of Crucible of the Spirit Dragon is? Besides teaching people a valuable lesson about opening packs, of course. I've argued with so many people that that card is garbage and they're all like "it's decent in dragon tribal!" No, it isn't. It's never playable. It's slow as gently caress and if you have open mana every turn to even use it turn 5 or 6 your curve sucks. If it tapped with no mana cost to add a counter, it would still be garbage, but it wouldn't be hilarious unplayable even in kitchen table garbage. Such a dumb card. mcmagic posted:It's garbage. It is fringe playable if the dragons end up seeing more play in control. Bringing back a dead Ugin or one of the new Dragonlords is probably worth at least one land.
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Mar 10, 2015 05:54
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mcmagic posted:It's garbage. lol. This time I think you're wrong. More inevitability for your finisher in a control deck is great. The cost is pretty negligible since mana is pretty good right now.
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Mar 10, 2015 05:54
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Really wish this block had tribal instants and sorceries
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Mar 10, 2015 05:55
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JerryLee posted:Didn't the hedrons already all activate and open though? And the Eldrazi already awoke and rampaged around transforming/wrecking the world? Commentary regarding the PAX panel from people who (unlike me) saw it seems to indicate that this is the final hedron on Zendikar opening or something. Common theory is that Nahiri is inside, having put herself in stasis for this eventuality or some such.
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Mar 10, 2015 05:56
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Gyshall posted:Really wish this block had tribal instants and sorceries
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Mar 10, 2015 05:57
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It's playable in any deck that tops out at Stormbreath Dragon, the question is whether your mana is good enough to be worth bringing it in. If Mono-Red devotion comes back but doesn't have any RRR 3-drops then playing 1 is basically all upside. It's no Mutavault for sure, but turning late-game lands into extra gas is definitely a worthwhile thing to be doing.
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Mar 10, 2015 05:58
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mcmagic posted:It's garbage. For all the utility lands I've played "recur a mythic rare piece of poo poo" is pretty neat.
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Mar 10, 2015 05:59
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Jabor posted:It's playable in any deck that tops out at Stormbreath Dragon, the question is whether your mana is good enough to be worth bringing it in. Yeah, it's basically Buried Ruin for dragons/Ugin instead of artifacts. Seems like it can slot fine into certain decks.
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Mar 10, 2015 05:59
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Irony Be My Shield posted:That would actually completely defeat the point of the "dragons matter" instants. It would just have to say "dragon creature" instead of just dragon. Or They could say "another dragon" or those dragons matter cards could just be normal but things like the dragon enchantment could be tribal. They could easily have done it if they weren't deadset on having no tribal non-creatures again. Jabor posted:It's playable in any deck that tops out at Stormbreath Dragon, the question is whether your mana is good enough to be worth bringing it in. I definitely don't think you want to run it in a deck that expects to play a card every turn for the first 4.
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Mar 10, 2015 06:00
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Rinkles posted:The initial incarnation might make a bit more sense w/ the eldrazi (and drones) coming back. I think this just proves that the flavor for the Fall set is going to be Dragons vs. Eldrazi directed by Michael Bay
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Mar 10, 2015 06:07
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Jabor posted:It's playable in any deck that tops out at Stormbreath Dragon, the question is whether your mana is good enough to be worth bringing it in. mr. mephistopheles posted:It would just have to say "dragon creature" instead of just dragon. Or They could say "another dragon" or those dragons matter cards could just be normal but things like the dragon enchantment could be tribal. They could easily have done it if they weren't deadset on having no tribal non-creatures again.
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Mar 10, 2015 06:11
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Yeah nobody drafted dragons in FRF, definitely need some conditional spells to make fatties with evasion worth drafting. 
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Mar 10, 2015 06:15
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And all constructed decks are just full of dragons right now.
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Mar 10, 2015 06:16
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Irony Be My Shield posted:And all constructed decks are just full of dragons right now. You're implying these cards will change that?
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Mar 10, 2015 06:30
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If you want your constructed decks to be full of dragons, print non-poo poo dragons and the rest will follow
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Mar 10, 2015 06:30
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Yeah the deck with a bunch of RR 2 drops seems like a great home for this colourless land. Clearly, mono-coloured decks with creatures costing CC and CCC can never play any colourless-producing lands no matter how relevant they are, says someone who I guess never played RTR-Theros. (If you're a deck that wants 5 lands for Stormbreath Dragon, you can fit in a few colourless lands while still having enough sources of R to get two of them by turn 2.)
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Milling it's win conditions w/ Satyr Wayfinder seems like an actual issue w/ Sultai control. If the deck is viable after DTK, I don't know if a singleton of that land is insane.
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Mar 10, 2015 06:51
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Jabor posted:(If you're a deck that wants 5 lands for Stormbreath Dragon, you can fit in a few colourless lands while still having enough sources of R to get two of them by turn 2.) An opening hand with one mountain and one dragon land is going to lose you more games than recurring a late game Stormbreath is going to win you. Rinkles posted:Milling it's win conditions w/ Satyr Wayfinder seems like an actual issue w/ Sultai control. If the deck is viable after DTK, I don't know if a singleton of that land is insane. I've pitched my last/only Ugin more than once. It's definitely playable in that.
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mcmagic posted:It's garbage. At the very least any control deck that plays Ugins will want this as an extra copy or two that doesn't take up a spell slot, as insurance if/when Ugin gets killed fakeedit: oops I didn't see who I was responding to.
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Red Devotion already plays a colourless land though, I don't think it wants another (especially if the upside is that minor). It's potentially decent for a control deck though if any of the dragons are playable there.
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Wait, people keep talking about red devotion like it's a thing. Is it? I've never seen it mentioned before. Is there a list of good cards for it?
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Decks that play Urborg and Ugin and Silumgar could probably afford a colorless land spot. You will very infrequently make Bile Blight worse if you cut a Swamp for that land I guess.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Yeah the deck with a bunch of RR 2 drops seems like a great home for this colourless land. Back when mono red devotion was prominent, the decks usually ran 1 or 2 mutavaults. Mutavault this card isn't, and it may not see any play, but it's not impossible.
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Fiend Computer posted:Wait, people keep talking about red devotion like it's a thing. Is it? I've never seen it mentioned before. Is there a list of good cards for it? It existed in the past and was a solid deck. It doesn't really exist currently, but people think there's a chance that it'll come back with this set.
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I can't imagine mono red devotion ever coming back. You would have to value Fanatic of Mogis over every possible Green card. It just doesn't make sense to me.
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