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CrazyTolradi posted:What do you think ol' Shazza would think of this? not emptyquoting
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Doctor Spaceman posted:The spike was only really noticeable in one poll (the Fairfax / Ipsos one); Newspoll and Essential had a slight increase for the Coalition which disappeared. I think the Ipsos poll was rogue and the rest has been statistical noise. every media outlet exaggerated the gently caress out of it though. abbott's recrudescence etc
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Anidav posted:I'm been reading up on the recent polls and I now firmly believe that the current spike in Coalition support is in anticipation for Turnbull PM. I'm hoping all that momentum can clash with the NSW election somehow. I don't necessarily want Labor to win there, nor the Libs, so if the Libs could just get back in by the skin of their teeth. It'd be a beautiful mess, I'd hope. And congratulations on the new job! Here's hoping they aren't shitbags!
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Brayds2006 posted:I'm hoping all that momentum can clash with the NSW election somehow. I don't necessarily want Labor to win there, nor the Libs, so if the Libs could just get back in by the skin of their teeth. It'd be a beautiful mess, I'd hope.
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Brayds2006 posted:I'm hoping all that momentum can clash with the NSW election somehow. I don't necessarily want Labor to win there, nor the Libs, so if the Libs could just get back in by the skin of their teeth. It'd be a beautiful mess, I'd hope. 9 year olds are not allowed to post here Brayden
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Drugs posted:9 year olds are not allowed to post here Brayden we let you.
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Orkin Mang posted:every media outlet exaggerated the gently caress out of it though. abbott's recrudescence etc Hockey is the barnacle he won't and can't scrape off. The budget is going to tank so badly both of them will probably give thanks for the headshot.
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Mar 10, 2015 10:47
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How would Treasurer Morrison do a better budget?
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Matthew Beet posted:we let you. this.... this is what it feels like to be owned. a feeling i will not chase. oh no.
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Mar 10, 2015 10:49
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It's clear now that the Abbott backflips on the GP tax, paid parental leave and university deregulation were just warm ups for today's car assistance routine, in which the LNP triple somersaulted over it's earlier decision to abandon assistance. It then proceeded to stuff the landing with the news that $900m of the previously announced $1bn was not for use, all on the same day. Then you have the unedifying sight of Joebeid "Treasurer for Sale" Hockey crying in the box about those meanies at Fairfax writing an article softer than anything this thread throws up on a daily basis. Which worked out well for him because we're not talking about how bad his super proposal was. Joke policies from a joke government.
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Mar 10, 2015 10:51
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Sanguine posted:It's not that Australia is a poo poo country, relative to the rest of the world, regardless of the hyperbole thrown about. It's that we can, and should, be much better in many ways. Especially, but not limited too: I can't speak for Scandinavia of Germany or whatever, but amongst English-speaking countries Australia is actually head and shoulders above the rest on that last one. Provided the IPA don't get their way in the coming years.
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freebooter posted:I can't speak for Scandinavia of Germany or whatever, but amongst English-speaking countries Australia is actually head and shoulders above the rest on that last one. Provided the IPA don't get their way in the coming years.
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Mar 10, 2015 11:01
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Basically, Big Biz should be globally castrated imho.
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Mar 10, 2015 11:03
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Can somebody explain to me the constant shrieking panic that comes from certain quarters in Melbourne, typically the Age, about the prospect of Southbank skyscrapers overshadowing the Shrine of Remembrance? http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/planning-minister-skyscrapers-make-melbournes-cbd-hostile-20150308-13yell.html quote:One of the most controversial planning applications sitting on Mr Wynne's desk is for an 82-level apartment tower that will also serve as a new hotel for Crown Casino. Located at 1 Queens Bridge Street, the tower would overshadow part of the Shrine forecourt for about 15 minutes on winter afternoons. This comes up constantly and I literally don't understand it. I understand the general disdain the Australian populace has for high-rise apartment buildings, because they're braindead hicks who can't fathom living in anything other than a four-bedroom brick veneer in the suburbs with a backyard for the kids, blah blah blah. But I don't understand the concept that the Shrine would be in any way compromised by not being in direct sunlight - for loving 15 minutes of the day in winter! I know it's a SACRED HOLY SITE FOR OUR ANZAC BOYS, but when did that become firmly associated with sunlight?
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Cartoon posted:This is the problem however. I've witnessed thirty years of back sliding on pretty much every front. We are just heading in one bad direction on everything. It has gotten to the point where you either fight or submit to things being worse for your children. What gives me the shits isn't so much that everything's getting worse, but that a good portion of the population have been convinced that it's actually a good thing because stop the pink batts carbon tax boats.
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Mar 10, 2015 11:06
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Anidav posted:Basically, Big Biz should be globally castrated imho. One day you'll be working for "Big Biz" thinking, "Hey, this money thing ain't so bad." If you're not already of course.
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Cartoon posted:This is the problem however. I've witnessed thirty years of back sliding on pretty much every front. We are just heading in one bad direction on everything. It has gotten to the point where you either fight or submit to things being worse for your children. I was about to say that penalty rates were a relatively recent introduction but I'm wrong: http://www.australianunions.org.au/union_achievements That is actually super depressing. Pretty much everything there was achieved around WWII and you're right - I wouldn't say we're going backwards, at least not when it comes to workers' rights (obviously we've lost free university), since none of those things has been stripped away as yet. But the fact that it's become a live concept in public discourse is alarming. The one good thing is that all this stuff has majority public support; that Howard tried to dismantle them and was finally brought down, and that even with all the might of the Murdoch papers agitating for it, most Australians would never agree to any of these things being eliminated. In a way it's sort of depressing because it suggests that the only thing people will actually get riled up about is stuff that personally affects them, but, whatever.
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freebooter posted:Can somebody explain to me the constant shrieking panic that comes from certain quarters in Melbourne, typically the Age, about the prospect of Southbank skyscrapers overshadowing the Shrine of Remembrance? high rise apartment buildings in the melbourne cbd are garbage slumtowers built not for people to live in, but for chinese millionaires to park their money
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Why the gently caress are junior doctors covered only by the HSU? Literally the worst union for doctors.
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Drugs posted:high rise apartment buildings in the melbourne cbd are garbage slumtowers built not for people to live in, but for chinese millionaires to park their money QI klaxons wailing:  CHINESE BUYING AUSTRALIAN PROPERTY!
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Mar 10, 2015 11:22
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freebooter posted:I was about to say that penalty rates were a relatively recent introduction but I'm wrong: There is course a whole thing about why people have deserted unions over the decades. I'm sure people have better informed opinion than I.
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Mar 10, 2015 11:23
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Drugs posted:9 year olds are not allowed to post here Brayden Hey ASIO, how you doin'? What I meant was the Libs just getting back in is realistically the best of a bad scenario. If Labor could steal it from them it'd be devastating on a Federal level and would be a treat to watch, but the odds of that happening are surely quite low. EDIT: Wait you were referring to the year in my username. I can't believe it took me 2 hours to realise that. Brayds2006 fucked around with this message at 12:34 on Mar 10, 2015 |
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Graic Gabtar posted:LOL - You say that now. I worked for 'Big Biz' and it was poo poo house. Yeah, I got a good wage and business class flights to places I otherwise wouldn't have gone. I also had to put up with staff asking me why they ~had~ to work public holidays, when would they get clean drinking water on site, and when can we do something about that awful stench? I also got sick of having staff quit on me due to an entrenched senior manager who made it her mission to come down and blow her head off at my staff when I was away. The constant lying to suppliers about payments because we didn't want to pay some poor struggling small business owner just yet. The constant legal battles over stupid poo poo we had no right fighting over. The putting up a front about local responsibility and being a local employer while taking half a million of the state's limited funds and shipping them off to another country. The getting people to reuse barely appropriate PPE because if we buy new stuff it'll just encourage them to use more. I quit, and literally scrapping each fortnight to make ends meat is far more satisfying than working in that hell hole ever was. gently caress big biz. e:speullngi
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Graic Gabtar posted:What's so super depressing? Howard overreached - and badly getting his right whack. Doesn't that demonstrate balance being restored? You don't have to look as far back to WWII. I'd say people have deserted unions because unions have mostly accomplished the necessary changes for the working class to enjoy a better standard of life. (Well also the first world doesn't really have a working "class" anymore - most of us live in what people in the early 20th century would consider a paradise, and our menial jobs have mostly been outsourced to the third world.) There is a whole generation of young people who have grown up with penalty rates, sick leave and annual leave and can't imagine a world without them. If they were stripped I expect you'd see union enrolment rates go up again. It's depressing, to me, that despite already making shitloads of money the moneyed elite aren't satisfied with that and are waging a concerted campaign to make Australia more like the US or the UK by eliminating penalty rates (starting, of course, with the non-union hospitality workers before moving on to nurses, cops etc.). Yes, the balance was restored when Howard overreached, but it was a near thing. And now the Liberals are making noises about it again. Every time there's a Liberal government the hard-won rights of workers in Australia will be at risk.
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Birdstrike posted:Then you have the unedifying sight of Joebeid "Treasurer for Sale" Hockey crying in the box about those meanies at Fairfax writing an article softer than anything this thread throws up on a daily basis. Which worked out well for him because we're not talking about how bad his super proposal was. You're right. He just doesn't want the bubble and the economy to take a nose-dive during his term as treasurer. The super proposal might just keep things steady until Tony and friends are up for re-election.
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I think the realistic thing to hope for in NSW is that Fred Nile's group and Shooters & Fishers don't have as much power in the Upper House.
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Sanguine posted:I worked for 'Big Biz' and it was poo poo house. Yeah, I got a good wage and business class flights to places I otherwise wouldn't have gone. I also had to put up with staff asking me why they ~had~ to work public holidays, when would they get clean drinking water on site, and when can we do something about that awful stench? I also got sick of having staff quit on me due to an entrenched senior manager who made it her mission to come down and blow her head off at my staff when I was away. The constant lying to suppliers about payments because we didn't want to pay some poor struggling small business owner just yet. The constant legal battles over stupid poo poo we had no right fighting over. The putting up a front about local responsibility and being a local employer while taking half a million of the state's limited funds and shipping them off to another country. The getting people to reuse barely appropriate PPE because if we buy new stuff it'll just encourage them to use more. Personally I would have employed someone else to put up with all that poo poo, but each to their own. e: Personally I would have employed someone else to put up with all that poo poo besides yourself, but each to their own.
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freebooter posted:I'd say people have deserted unions because unions have mostly accomplished the necessary changes for the working class to enjoy a better standard of life. (Well also the first world doesn't really have a working "class" anymore - most of us live in what people in the early 20th century would consider a paradise, and our menial jobs have mostly been outsourced to the third world.) There is a whole generation of young people who have grown up with penalty rates, sick leave and annual leave and can't imagine a world without them. If they were stripped I expect you'd see union enrolment rates go up again. "Moneyed elite" - OK, have you ever run a small business? Or been involved in one?
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Graic Gabtar posted:The only times I have been in a union was when it has been compulsory to work somewhere. I'm not a big fan of compulsory, or angry picket lines etc. I just don't think that resonates with people. To be blunt nothing I've seen about the way unions operate would want me to be involved in one. Yep, and penalty rates are perfectly acceptable. It's a way to use economics to discourage businesses en masse from opening on the weekend unless they have a loving good reason.
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It's a funny argument actually. The local woolworths regularly gets jammed up on sundays with craploads of people doing their shopping there at the same time, with only two or three people on the till. I asked one of the people why they can't put somebody else on and she said they already have the maximum number allowed on for the day. You could argue that without penalty rates they would have more people working on sunday and provide superior service, but I would much rather as a society we have to endure crappier service on Sunday than have to penalise the people already working that day by working for less.
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my stepdads beer posted:You're right. He just doesn't want the bubble and the economy to take a nose-dive during his term as treasurer. The super proposal might just keep things steady until Tony and friends are up for re-election. Except for the fact that record low interest rates are overheating property, the one non-slumping sector, without the added stimulus of a bunch of kids using their meagre super as housing deposits. If anything his plan would only hasten the bubble bursting to occur in his term, which I expect because he's a fool. Also on the "Unions aren't relevant"  topic, one theory is that the end of the old Industrial Relations Commission/Centralised Award system under Howard made this inevitable. Under the old system unions were legally necessary in the negotiations whereas now this is not the case even under the FWA. If somebody wants I can find my effortpost material later, my point for now is that the decline in union membership isn't entirely their own fault.
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Les Affaires posted:Yep, and penalty rates are perfectly acceptable. It's a way to use economics to discourage businesses en masse from opening on the weekend unless they have a loving good reason. Focusing on penalty rates only is just narrow thinking. First rule of small business. Employ casuals. Penalty rates I believe most small business will bear as a cost. It's all the risks associated with full time employees as far as business owners see it that diminish what might be better employment (IMHO). e: Typos Graic Gabtar fucked around with this message at 11:54 on Mar 10, 2015 |
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Les Affaires posted:It's a funny argument actually. The local woolworths regularly gets jammed up on sundays with craploads of people doing their shopping there at the same time, with only two or three people on the till. I asked one of the people why they can't put somebody else on and she said they already have the maximum number allowed on for the day. Low staff levels are more likely to be in place to hopefully encourage like yourself towards their online channels. Picking stock from a dark store and sending it out to you in a truck is much for cost effective than having your Corn Flakes triple handled by bored uni students. Oh look, even less jobs.
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Graic Gabtar posted:Focusing on penalty rates only is just narrow thinking. First rule of first business. Employ casuals. Penalty rates I believe most small business will bear as a cost. It's all the risks associated with full time employees as far as business owners see it that diminish what might be better employment (IMHO). Mmmnnnn... the casualisation of the workforce as a trend has different drivers. Basically business has been drawn to it more and more because a casual workforce allows the business to hire and fire "on demand" as economic conditions change. This is a bad outcome for employees, mostly because you have zero security about whether you have a job tomorrow or not. It also, funnily enough, turns into a bad outcome for business if the business doesn't have easily transferrable skills, because they lose real dollars in the process of turnover. It's not the individual businesses where this is necessarily a problem, but more so when you scale it up to cities or the country as a whole and it becomes a community level problem.
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Graic Gabtar posted:Again, too narrow in your thinking. Yeah the whole thing pissed me off royally but i'm still no further towards online shopping than i was before (those) incidents. It just means i shop on tuesday nights which i think is the day before a lot of people get paid. Dead quiet.
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Les Affaires posted:Yeah the whole thing pissed me off royally but i'm still no further towards online shopping than i was before (those) incidents. It just means i shop on tuesday nights which i think is the day before a lot of people get paid. Dead quiet. And there is a reason you went there on a Sunday not a Tuesday night so your going to put yourself out indefinitely? And even if you do shop on Tuesdays you're just going to get directed towards those self checkout things more and more. You probably already use them and hate yourself for it, but they are just so quick and easy.
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Graic Gabtar posted:
No it isn't: both boxes of corn flakes go to a store of some description, but in your example the retailer has to organise and pay for the last link in the distribution chain ie the handover to the customer. In a normal store the customer grabs it off the shelves and takes it home all by themselves, thus completing the chain. I discussed this with a Metcash executive last year, the supermarket chains haven't yet figured out a way to effectively monetise grocery delivery. It was his final frontier.
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EvilElmo posted:Why the gently caress are junior doctors covered only by the HSU? That's what ASMOF is for... http://www.asmof.org.au
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