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Can someone elaborate more on ancient roman plumbing and toilet systems? I am familiar with the aqueduct concept but it seems like quite the feat for a large network. I need to know more of what they did with their turds.
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Grand Fromage posted:Sorry, your mom's still working on her autobiography. HEY!  ....she's not very famous.....
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Mar 10, 2015 13:44
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AAB posted:Can someone elaborate more on ancient roman plumbing and toilet systems? I am familiar with the aqueduct concept but it seems like quite the feat for a large network. I need to know more of what they did with their turds. See the Pompeii graffiti or the China.jpeg thread.
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Mar 10, 2015 14:24
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AAB posted:Can someone elaborate more on ancient roman plumbing and toilet systems? I am familiar with the aqueduct concept but it seems like quite the feat for a large network. I need to know more of what they did with their turds. poo poo in hole poo go away
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Mar 10, 2015 14:30
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They worked a lot like they do today. Aqueducts were very precisely engineered to slope down from a water source to their target, using gravity to feed the whole system. Aqueducts were mostly underground, not the impressive above ground things. Rome still gets water from some of the original aqueducts. They had underground sewer systems that also flowed out to the local river or sea with gravity, and again, some of those in Rome are still functional. This was why you didn't want to swim in the Tiber in antiquity. Toilets were usually public things, bench with holes in it. They dropped into the sewer, and there was running water going past in a little trench that you used to rinse off your butt sponge (we think this was what it did, anyway). Wealthier private homes had indoor plumbing which was pressurized by clever use of gravity.
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Mar 10, 2015 14:38
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It's really great being able to point at Rome (the city) and be able to talk about apartment blocks, elevators and indoor plumbing like it could be any city up until quite recently.
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Mar 10, 2015 14:42
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In most ways it was probably nicer than European cities up until like, gas lighting. More recent if you consider how lovely living in an 1800s industrial city was.
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Mar 10, 2015 14:49
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Grand Fromage posted:In most ways it was probably nicer than European cities up until like, gas lighting. More recent if you consider how lovely living in an 1800s industrial city was. It's cool how the people Europeans thought were lesser had safer and cleaner cities than them
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Mar 10, 2015 14:56
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Do you know of any accessible surveys or maps of Rome that look at a given neighbourhood at a given point in time and examine what the average Roman would have had within easy reach of home in terms of shops, entertainments, work etc? Obviously we all know the big poo poo like the Colosseum but it'd be cool to see a map of some district and see Doobius Doggius' Hot Sausage Stand with authentic Garum sauce just across the street from the baker and round the corner from whatever little theatre or pub was local. I feel like I could hold my own in a conversation with most people about your high and mighty Romans but I don't know awfully much about the simple day to day existence of the average nobody (and I know that's a problem with history in general but that's no excuse for not informing myself about what is available). Did Rome (and other Roman settlements) have any ubiquitous public buildings or services which were particular to Roman culture and not found elsewhere, even in an analogous form? A local forum would be your modern town hall, etc, but were there services or civic entities that were particularly and uniquely Roman? communism bitch fucked around with this message at 14:59 on Mar 10, 2015 |
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Mar 10, 2015 14:57
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Oberleutnant posted:
Baths!
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Mar 10, 2015 15:03
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Smoking Crow posted:It's cool how the people Europeans thought were lesser had safer and cleaner cities than them Pretty sure not a lot of Europeans thought the Romans were "lesser".
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Mar 10, 2015 15:16
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Grand Fromage posted:and there was running water going past in a little trench that you used to rinse off your butt sponge (we think this was what it did, anyway).
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Mar 10, 2015 15:20
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Pretty sure not a lot of Europeans thought the Romans were "lesser". The Victorians were big on proclaiming their superiority to the decadent Romans. But I think he was more talking about cities around the world where Europeans were busy stealing poo poo from the natives. I think I'd much rather be in a Japanese city than a British one in say, 1850.
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Mar 10, 2015 15:21
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Grand Fromage posted:The Victorians were big on proclaiming their superiority to the decadent Romans. But I think he was more talking about cities around the world where Europeans were busy stealing poo poo from the natives. I think I'd much rather be in a Japanese city than a British one in say, 1850. I was going to mention how much cleaner Edo was than Paris or London
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Mar 10, 2015 15:26
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Grand Fromage posted:The Victorians were big on proclaiming their superiority to the decadent Romans. But I think he was more talking about cities around the world where Europeans were busy stealing poo poo from the natives. I think I'd much rather be in a Japanese city than a British one in say, 1850. Or in Tenochtitlan than in London or Paris in 1492. Forget about the human sacrifices: they had freaking trash collectors. And public baths too, if I remember right.
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Mar 10, 2015 15:27
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Kassad posted:Or in Tenochtitlan than in London or Paris in 1492. Forget about the human sacrifices: they had freaking trash collectors. And public baths too, if I remember right. Almost every story of Europeans getting captured by Native Americans begins with "those dirty savages threw me in a creek and made me wash myself"
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Mar 10, 2015 15:29
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Smoking Crow posted:Almost every story of Europeans getting captured by Native Americans begins with "those dirty savages threw me in a creek and made me wash myself" I'll have you know that Queen Elizabeth I had a bath every year - whether she needed one or not.
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Mar 10, 2015 15:31
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Smoking Crow posted:Almost every story of Europeans getting captured by Native Americans begins with "those dirty savages threw me in a creek and made me wash myself" I can believe that, especially considering what Atlantic crossings were like at the time (running out of drinking water and food was pretty common). Sailors were extra filthy even by European standards.
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Mar 10, 2015 15:38
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Jamwad Hilder posted:I am unable to get the mental image of Julius Caesar on the MTV show Jersey Shore out of my mind. They'd call him Julie C or something and you know he'd be fist pumpin at the club like a gorilla. "Gorilla" is a Carthaginian word, you slime.
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Mar 10, 2015 18:44
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What was the New Jersey equivalent of the Roman Empire.
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Mar 10, 2015 18:52
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Oberleutnant posted:elevators I didn't know the Romans had those, how did they work?
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Mar 10, 2015 18:53
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Kurtofan posted:What was the New Jersey equivalent of the Roman Empire. Mediolanum. Its close to Rome, but crappier and filled corrupt gauls.
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Mar 10, 2015 18:56
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Agean90 posted:Mediolanum. Its close to Rome, but crappier and filled corrupt gauls. Gaulist 
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Mar 10, 2015 18:59
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Kurtofan posted:What was the New Jersey equivalent of the Roman Empire. Syracuse, crappier than Rome and filled with corrupt Greeks.
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Mar 10, 2015 19:06
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Freudian posted:"Gorilla" is a Carthaginian word, you slime. Carthago gorilla est
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Mar 10, 2015 19:11
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homullus posted:Carthago gorilla est
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Mar 10, 2015 19:35
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Kurtofan posted:Gaulist die cisalpine scum
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Mar 10, 2015 20:06
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Kassad posted:I can believe that, especially considering what Atlantic crossings were like at the time (running out of drinking water and food was pretty common). Sailors were extra filthy even by European standards. They used to lower a sail on a boom into the sea to allow sailors to bathe in good weather. Not ideal but oddly enough, though bathing was not as organised as in various places at varioous times in the world, very few people actually liked being absolutely filthy.
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Mar 10, 2015 20:32
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peer posted:die cisalpine scum For people in Transalpine Gaul, Transalpine Gaul is Cisalpine Gaul
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Mar 10, 2015 20:32
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Freudian posted:"Gorilla" is a Carthaginian word, you slime.  No, it's Spanish (ie. a form of Latin) word that means little war, I know this because I am trained in gorilla warfare.
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Mar 10, 2015 20:40
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Hogge Wild posted:
ban midget gladiatorial combats today (I would honestly not be surprised to hear that was a thing the Romans tried out at least once just for the hell of it.)
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Mar 10, 2015 20:42
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I faintly recall reading something like that.
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Mar 10, 2015 20:45
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RZApublican posted:Syracuse, crappier than Rome and filled with corrupt Greeks. Also it's in Sicily which was the home of the ancestral Mafiae clans which were the heart of the corrupt Italian civilisation that strangled Rome.
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Mar 10, 2015 23:39
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Did the Romans just rip off the gods and goddesses of the Greeks, or what? Why were their mythologies so similar?
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Mar 11, 2015 00:27
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Blue Star posted:Did the Romans just rip off the gods and goddesses of the Greeks, or what? Why were their mythologies so similar? They developed from the same Indo-european predecessor religion, then mixed when greece got conquered.
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Mar 11, 2015 00:42
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What was pre-Greek Roman religion like?
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Blue Star posted:Did the Romans just rip off the gods and goddesses of the Greeks, or what? Why were their mythologies so similar? They're actually quite distinct if you really look at them (or so I've been told by people in this thread). But Roman religion is very syncretic, so it definitely adopts aspects of other religions who seem to be on to something.
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Mar 11, 2015 01:49
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Jamwad Hilder posted:I am unable to get the mental image of Julius Caesar on the MTV show Jersey Shore out of my mind. They'd call him Julie C or something and you know he'd be fist pumpin at the club like a gorilla. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KikVqvNH0WA
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Blue Star posted:Did the Romans just rip off the gods and goddesses of the Greeks, or what? Why were their mythologies so similar? They were always related but different but then became closer again over time when Rome conquered Greece. There are still roman deities with no Greek analog.
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euphronius posted:They were always related but different but then became closer again over time when Rome conquered Greece. There are still roman deities with no Greek analog. I'm sad that there isn't a Greek Janus
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