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Stick Figure Mafia posted:reminder that it was months before most of HM1's problems were fixed (and that the whole thing was made in Game Maker). ... gently caress. Well, here's my specs, if that's relevant: AMD A8-6600k APU w/ Radeon HD Graphics, Nvidia GTX 750 Ti, Windows 8.1, and about 8 GB of ram.
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widespread posted:Windows 8.1 For reals, everyone with problems (myself included) seems to have this in common. Cactus makes games on an old laptop from 2004 so I wouldn't be surprised if this is the case.
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Mar 10, 2015 20:53
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Kanfy posted:I tried again and whipped up a quick and dirty 15-second webm of me clearing it with an A+. I fumble around a bit since I'm not used to the controls yet and obviously the enemy placement changes but my point is that it's the same style that worked in the first game, namely always keeping on the move. Certainly no need to be particularly slow and methodical, at least with that level. What the gently caress? Maybe its just bad timing, but I can't do this. I tried doing exactly that like 8 times; If I run for the right room like you do, everybody in the lower room agros to me and they come and shoot me in the back before I've finished them off. I tried running past the right room for that very reason, but then when I hit the people down below the people in the right come running out and shoot me. I can't go fast enough, they agro way too quick. I'll record a webm myself after work if I'm still stuck. VisAbsoluta posted:You are overreacting. Your skills must be rusty from HM1, it's not particularly difficult. You just have to time getting down to enter the room to the right, if you do it way too fast you will get shot. The dude from below agros you and stands there and doesn't shoot, wtf. When I do that all 3 guys from below agro and they come out guns a-blazing. I'm dead before I can finish with the room. I guess I just gotta get the timing down, but I'm doing this WHILE zooming ahead and looking at the timing. Both of you just charge in there without looking. Maybe something's buggy? Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Mar 10, 2015 |
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Accordion Man posted:This game really isn't fun. I loved 1 but they just made the combat such a frustrating slog in this game. The levels are way too big and melee blows because the AI is hyperaware of you if you're anywhere near them. Really disappointing. And for a second option, the game is lots of fun. The combat seems a bit smoother especially with gunshots and I haven't had any major problems. The levels are bigger but your clear run after restarts will still only take you a couple minutes and I notice no difference whatsoever in melee between this and HM1. I did a complete playthrough of HM1 of the last couple of days just so my comparison would be fresh. I'm sorry you're disappointed but from my experience so far I basically stepped from HM1 directly into HM2 and nearly everything was the same and noticeable changes were generally positive. Small changes, but I wasn't really looking for big ones. I'm up to, like, mission 9 I think? Favorite so far is either the one with the reporter and playing it non-lethal, or doing the second Fans mission in the warehouse with Tony and no guns. Oddly enough those were the two that have taken the most restarts so far, too.
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Mar 10, 2015 20:54
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I'm not feeling it. I really liked Hotline Miami, but this one just feels... I dunno. Most levels are basically rooms that are so big you get sniped by some enemy you never saw, the story is tripe and too many levels just aren't fun. The soundtrack still owns and the visuals are trippy but I'm not enjoying myself.
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Meiteron posted:I'm up to, like, mission 9 I think? Favorite so far is either the one with the reporter and playing it non-lethal, or doing the second Fans mission in the warehouse with Tony and no guns. Oddly enough those were the two that have taken the most restarts so far, too. As in you only knocked people down, or you only used a melee weapon to permanently incapacitate people? I did the latter, and it was drat annoying.
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Mar 10, 2015 20:55
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I've got some problems. It may or may not be because the game hung on installing the Microsoft VC redist package and I was forced to skip it, but trying to rebind the controls has resulted in a complete mess. The game wouldn't accept RMB as a binding and then a bunch of other things happened and long story short it seems to be impossible for me to do anything the spacebar is bound to by default. Deleting local files and reinstalling, it helpfully remembers my new busted-rear end bindings. What file should I delete and verify, or whatever?
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Mar 10, 2015 20:55
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I'm already stuck, in Act 2, Scene 5, when you play as the non-lethal character for the first time. Any tips for this section? Am I missing something obvious?
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Not A Hydroxyl Ion posted:I'm already stuck, in Act 2, Scene 5, when you play as the non-lethal character for the first time. Any tips for this section? Am I missing something obvious? Pick up the baseball bat from the first guy you kill, it permanently incapacitates enemies. It is an annoying mission overall, though.
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Mar 10, 2015 20:56
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CJacobs posted:Posting in mid-play session to say that this is probably the most frustrating video game I've ever played. The AI seems even more random and psychic than in the first game, and the bigger rooms and tiny FOV mean it's way easier to get shot from offscreen or bum-rushed by a million dudes. I'm having a lot of fun but MAN I forgot how batshit hard this game is. This is exactly what I'm feeling.
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Mar 10, 2015 20:57
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Stick Figure Mafia posted:For reals, everyone with problems (myself included) seems to have this in common. Cactus makes games on an old laptop from 2004 so I wouldn't be surprised if this is the case. Right, but my issue is that nothing really appears, even when the game is set as the active thing. Not sure if that's a hardware thing or no.
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Mar 10, 2015 20:59
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Dvsilverwing posted:Pick up the baseball bat from the first guy you kill, it permanently incapacitates enemies. It is an annoying mission overall, though. Thanks! Seems like something weird is going on with the AI in that room, too--If you knock out the two guys armed with guns in the main room, then disarm the weapons, when they wake up they'll wander around and not be hostile.
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Zaphod42 posted:The dude from below agros you and stands there and doesn't shoot, wtf. When I do that all 3 guys from below agro and they come out guns a-blazing. I'm dead before I can finish with the room. It's not that he stands there without shooting, it's that I broke his LOS with the wall there. Are you sure you aren't using any firearms to aggro everybody down there like that? It pretty much never happens here.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:00
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I'm on the final NotVietnam level and I'm a bit frustrated at the amount of open spaces and abundance of gunplay. Like other people have said there's way too many time you find yourself being killed by an enemy off screen. Sometimes literally, OFF screen. Had quite a few platoons of Russians patrolling the map and only been able to see their shoulders. It leads to the levels feeling like they have to be played stealthily. Waiting for patrol routes to finish or cross over. Any level without MASSIVE expanses of clear land have been a blast though. Really digging the story too, excited to see where it all ends.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:01
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I've got to say, I'm kind of agreeing with the review that said the game adds more good without fixing any of the previously existing bad. All of the problems I encountered with Hotline Miami 1 are still prevalent which is pretty disappointing. The new stuff is pretty cool though.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:01
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Meiteron posted:And for a second option, the game is lots of fun. The combat seems a bit smoother especially with gunshots and I haven't had any major problems. The levels are bigger but your clear run after restarts will still only take you a couple minutes and I notice no difference whatsoever in melee between this and HM1. I did a complete playthrough of HM1 of the last couple of days just so my comparison would be fresh. This has been my experience so far too, this sequel's mechanics feels exactly the same (i.e. loving awesome) to me, up to the AI behavior. Perhaps because I only played HM1 back when it was released (when most people complained it was a mess)? 
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Mar 10, 2015 21:03
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Also, was the guy being tried in the courtroom before the lovely Journalist level Jacket?
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Mar 10, 2015 21:03
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Zaphod42 posted:This is exactly what I'm feeling. And it's especially painful when many of the levels are so long. You'll spend minutes clearing the same guys over and over, until some guy from two screens over shotgun snipes you. Then you repeat. And repeat. And repeat. And repeat. Lasher posted:I'm on the final NotVietnam level and I'm a bit frustrated at the amount of open spaces and abundance of gunplay. I guess I'm there as well and man am I not having fun here. Shaman Tank Spec fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Mar 10, 2015 |
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Mar 10, 2015 21:04
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Just got an update. Wonder what that is?
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Mar 10, 2015 21:06
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Stick Figure Mafia posted:For reals, everyone with problems (myself included) seems to have this in common. Cactus makes games on an old laptop from 2004 so I wouldn't be surprised if this is the case. I'm playing on Windows 8.1 without any problems so far.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:08
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Holy poo poo I didn't expect the fans to go down like that.  I kinda hoped there was more of them...
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Mar 10, 2015 21:09
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Dvsilverwing posted:As in you only knocked people down, or you only used a melee weapon to permanently incapacitate people? I did the latter, and it was drat annoying. Only used melee to incapacitate people but there was a lot of knocking-down and knocking-out to go with it, especially at the start. I died a whole bunch trying to do it like any other level but when I started playing a bit more cautiously and picking specific areas to deal with people it got a lot easier. Some people have (perhaps rightly) criticized the fact that the gameplay is arbitrarily restrictive on certain levels, like that one. It is, but never punishingly so, and figuring out how to play the journalist's level properly was just different enough that it harkened back to figuring out how to play the game properly in general, relearning a few rules slightly differently. That's what I like about the changing perspectives so far. We'll see if that enjoyment lasts the entire game, I guess.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:13
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Just lost all my progress cause I accidentally hit New Game. How is that the system for a game in 2015?
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Mar 10, 2015 21:14
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Casualties of frustrating gameplay in HLM2: 1 mouse 1 headset 1 bottle of painkillers 2 cans of soda 5 cigarettes 1 webcam 1 office chair
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Mar 10, 2015 21:22
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Zaphod42 posted:What the gently caress? Maybe its just bad timing, but I can't do this. I tried doing exactly that like 8 times; If I run for the right room like you do, everybody in the lower room agros to me and they come and shoot me in the back before I've finished them off. I tried running past the right room for that very reason, but then when I hit the people down below the people in the right come running out and shoot me. I can't go fast enough, they agro way too quick. If you have a melee weapon that can take out guys in one hit then I can't picture how the guys coming from the bottom could kill you that fast. It only takes a split second to clear the room on the right and there are a whole bunch of corners you can use to lure firearm dudes next to you even if they're running for you from the second you enter the level. And yeah, so far I haven't used zooming at all personally, it was never really my style in the first game either.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:25
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weekly font posted:Just lost all my progress cause I accidentally hit New Game. How is that the system for a game in 2015? Press continue, select the chapter you were at.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:31
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Skunkrocker posted:Casualties of frustrating gameplay in HLM2: drat dude you sound like a psychopath. Maybe this game is about you, LOL
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Mar 10, 2015 21:34
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VisAbsoluta posted:It's not that he stands there without shooting, it's that I broke his LOS with the wall there. I tried it several times both ways, but seeing both of you doing it with the melee makes me think that'll be easier, so yeah I'll stick to trying it melee style. I guess melee vs guns is at least ONE option that I have in the .5 seconds before instant-death-restart. And if you broke his LOS shouldn't he start running into the room already? I guess he didn't have time? The whole thing seems so awkwardly inconsistent.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:35
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Oh jesus, keep punching when you're the reporter. 
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Mar 10, 2015 21:37
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Chapter 16 is the most infuriating exercise in tedium I've encountered in a long time. Two large, open maps full of gun enemies followed by a four room layout that starts with you exposed on either side to shooters. I did manage to get to the room beyond that but that's a whole other kettle of fish and I couldn't be arsed slogging through it. Maybe people will say it's trying to recreate the whole "war is hell" thing, but c'mon. There's much smarter ways to do that.
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This game rules, so far it's a perfect sequel and I like what they did with the story. Somehow the gunplay feels much better and I've been using it a lot. The bigger maps are interesting. As long as I use the view stretching L2 button and use lock on to scout ahead I don't have much trouble with them. They definitely ramped up the difficulty but the game's so tight and catered to fast gameplay that I don't care, and I absolutely hate "hard" rage inducing games. It's HM2 and I'm glad.
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Stick Figure Mafia posted:For reals, everyone with problems (myself included) seems to have this in common. Cactus makes games on an old laptop from 2004 so I wouldn't be surprised if this is the case.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:41
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Cool a level where the floor is dark brown and the level is intentionally dimly lit sure is fun pixel hunting for all these lightning fast attack dogs 
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Mar 10, 2015 21:43
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Levels seem to big, can't get into the vibe. I guess they were right not to make a third one because the magic is stretched kind of thin here already.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:44
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The final NotVietnam level can eat a dick, basically.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:46
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Der Shovel posted:The final NotVietnam level can eat a dick, basically. At least we always have this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCikIkXslP0 The only thing that makes that shitheap remotely bearable. 
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Kilometers Davis posted:This game rules, so far it's a perfect sequel and I like what they did with the story. Somehow the gunplay feels much better and I've been using it a lot. The bigger maps are interesting. As long as I use the view stretching L2 button and use lock on to scout ahead I don't have much trouble with them. They definitely ramped up the difficulty but the game's so tight and catered to fast gameplay that I don't care, and I absolutely hate "hard" rage inducing games. It's HM2 and I'm glad. I just run around stabbing people without scouting at all and the constant cycle of dying and murdering horribly is as great as ever. Maybe I'll finally have to learn to use firearms too. Oh, also Skunkrocker posted:Casualties of frustrating gameplay in HLM2: Source your quotes.
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It's not as good as the first one. It's still okay. The cutscene where The Fans slowly kill the retired mobster was weirdly disturbing. There's not enough makeshift weapons. I miss going lead pipe > scissors > sledgehammer > gun > brick > bottle > gun > knife > et cetera.
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I made a quick program to extract the game's data files to get the soundtrack. https://github.com/pollyzoid/hlm2-wad-extract
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Any of you guys having difficulties early on are going to love level 11.
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