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UV_Catastrophe
Dec 29, 2008

Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are,

"It might have been."
Pillbug

This article is probably the best argument I've seen for burning down the entire fraternity/sorority system.

Even beyond racism, the whole idea of the Greek system is rather rotten when you examine it. Basically this:

quote:

The controversy at UA didn’t surprise Matthew Hughey, a University of Connecticut professor of sociology who studies racism in Greek life.

“These organizations were designed to be exclusionary. We shouldn’t forget that,” he said. Hughey began researching inequality within Greek organizations after pledging a traditionally black fraternity as an undergraduate student.

Many of the white fraternities and sororities around today, up until the late ‘60s and ‘70s, still had whites-only clauses in their constitutions. “They operate in many of the same ways even though they have dropped the language,” Hughey said. “Still to this day, we have a very separate and unequal Greek system.”

Hughey stressed that cases of exclusion and inequality in Greek life exist all over the nation — not just in Alabama or the Deep South. And further, the system is not only segregated, but segregated with unequal resources.

“It’s tradition and it’s a way of keeping resources amongst people who already have resources,” Hughey said. “It’s a club. And it’s a club that costs a great deal of money to join and be active in.”

According to the UA Panhellenic website, the average out-of-house living fees (meals and chapter fees) are $3,330 per semester, and the average in-house fees are $5,933 per semester. In addition, members must pay initiation fees, which can run as high as $913.

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hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Luigi Thirty posted:

An A in an AP course counts as 5 in some schools.

Correct but this leads to a max possible GPA of some oddball fraction. The max possible GPA at my high school was like 4.93 or something (everyone had to take non-advanced health/PE and something else that was 4 not 5). A+s makes sense though.

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

#47traitors is trending at #1

So conservatives are pushing people to trend

#47patriots

Also they are using that one of the 47 is a veteran as "Dems hate the troops" message

The Rokstar
Aug 19, 2002

by FactsAreUseless

A Man With A Plan posted:

Many high schools, mine included, make AP/Honors classes worth more. Like an A is a 5.0, B is a 4.0, etc. Just another aspect of general grade inflation. I finished with like a 4.7 and I wasn't even in the top 10 in my school.

Same here. Except the way our school did it it wasn't just a straight one-point increase for honors courses, it was this needlessly complicated BCS-esque computer formula that determined your GPA based on the classes you took.

MacheteZombie
Feb 4, 2007
#47Agent

Eggplant Squire
Aug 14, 2003


I guess the good thing about the conservative base being so furious to the point where Obama holding an umbrella or a selfie stick flips them out is that it's easy to gauge how much you need to win in terms of turn out since you can assume there really isn't anything that would possibly get them angrier than they aways are. Like "you should be mad that the dems are picking on a vet!!" really isn't going to matter since everyone that would piss off is already at 11 on the mad scale from Benghazi/IRS-gate/Obamacare/Agenda 21/Obama's Belgian waffle breakfast.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!

gently caress You And Diebold posted:

In the same way that police unions are usually left alone by Republicans (makes it easier to get them to violently shut down protests around destroying labor rights), firefighter unions are occasionally pandered to by the Republicans as well. Doesn't happen as often, but much more so than anything other than police unions.

Case in point -- Act 10, Scott Walker's public union-busting bill in 2011, specifically exempted all law enforcement and firefighter unions in the state. (Coincidentally, the father of the Assembly Speaker and the Senate Majority Leader was appointed head of the Wisconsin State Patrol by Walker just a few days before the budget repair bill was introduced.)

Eggplant Squire
Aug 14, 2003


Timby posted:

Case in point -- Act 10, Scott Walker's public union-busting bill in 2011, specifically exempted all law enforcement and firefighter unions in the state. (Coincidentally, the father of the Assembly Speaker and the Senate Majority Leader was appointed head of the Wisconsin State Patrol by Walker just a few days before the budget repair bill was introduced.)

If I recall correctly at least the local police saw through that obvious poo poo and they had to bus in police from another area to rough up the protesters.

OAquinas
Jan 27, 2008

Biden has sat immobile on the Iron Throne of America. He is the Master of Malarkey by the will of the gods, and master of a million votes by the might of his inexhaustible calamari.


I know they're mostly nondescript white guys, but I don't think any of them are bald and one is a turtle. You can't draw that connection broadly.

Islam is the Lite Rock FM
Jul 27, 2007

by exmarx

UV_Catastrophe posted:

This article is probably the best argument I've seen for burning down the entire fraternity/sorority system.

Even beyond racism, the whole idea of the Greek system is rather rotten when you examine it. Basically this:

At my alma mater it was actually cheaper to be Greek than live in the dorms including chapter affiliation fees. However, every drat event had a t shirt. Throw a party? Change a light bulb? Make a t shirt for each. So all in all it was roughly equal.

I'll give buzzfeed one thing. Panhellenic is a council comprised of the nastiest, smuggest, most exclusive old white women to walk the face of the earth. Imagine a bunch of Ann Romneys telling 18-22yr olds what to do.

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002



Viral marketing for the new movie is getting out of hand (don't look up the trailer for it if you actually like the games)

The Rokstar
Aug 19, 2002

by FactsAreUseless

OAquinas posted:

I know they're mostly nondescript white guys, but I don't think any of them are bald and one is a turtle. You can't draw that connection broadly.

Guards are now searching for a suspicious turtle

Eggplant Squire
Aug 14, 2003


Being part of a frat/sorority and having a bunch of old people tell you what to do all the time seems like it really undercuts the cool image they try and project.

OAquinas
Jan 27, 2008

Biden has sat immobile on the Iron Throne of America. He is the Master of Malarkey by the will of the gods, and master of a million votes by the might of his inexhaustible calamari.

The Rokstar posted:

Guards are now searching for a suspicious turtle

:vince:
Nice.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!

Radish posted:

If I recall correctly at least the local police saw through that obvious poo poo and they had to bus in police from another area to rough up the protesters.

MPD saw through it. The Capitol Police operate under the auspices of the state Department of Administration, however, and are responsible for all enforcement on the Capitol grounds, so they're the guys who roughed up protesters.

Islam is the Lite Rock FM
Jul 27, 2007

by exmarx
It even exists on the chapter level. Older members refuse new ideas based on the stupid excuse "we've always done it that way."

Eggplant Squire
Aug 14, 2003


Timby posted:

MPD saw through it. The Capitol Police operate under the auspices of the state Department of Administration, however, and are responsible for all enforcement on the Capitol grounds, so they're the guys who roughed up protesters.

Thanks it's hard to keep track of which agencies did what.

Fix
Jul 26, 2005

NEWT THE MOON

Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:

#47traitors is trending at #1

So conservatives are pushing people to trend

#47patriots

Also they are using that one of the 47 is a veteran as "Dems hate the troops" message

"There are 47 percent of the Senate who will vote against the president no matter what...who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims. ...These are people who will not pay for their obstruction. ...and so my job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

—Barack Obama

A Man With A Plan
Mar 29, 2010
Fallen Rib

Fix posted:

"There are 47 percent of the Senate who will vote against the president no matter what...who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims. ...These are people who will not pay for their obstruction. ...and so my job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

—Barack Obama

:allears: I can only dream...

Franco Potente
Jul 9, 2010
I'm surprised Kirk went along with this asinine letter. Being a senator in Illinois up for re-election next year, you think he'd be trying to toe as moderate a line as possible.

EDIT: A quick search informs me that Kirk is a hardline ME hawk/pro-Israel type. So I guess that answers my question.

Grognan
Jan 23, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Fix posted:

"There are 47 percent of the Senate who will vote against the president no matter what...who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims. ...These are people who will not pay for their obstruction. ...and so my job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

—Barack Obama

:pusheen:


So what's the next boondoggle coming up? Is there another debt fight soon at hand?

Gin and Juche
Apr 3, 2008

The Highest Judge of Paradise
Shiki Eiki
YAMAXANADU
So Clinton speaking at a UN event about the e-mails. Why is she using the UN as the venue for this?

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Gravel Gravy posted:

So Clinton speaking at a UN event about the e-mails. Why is she using the UN as the venue for this?

She's speaking to the UN then giving a presser about the emails afterwards. They're not really related.

Gin and Juche
Apr 3, 2008

The Highest Judge of Paradise
Shiki Eiki
YAMAXANADU

Trabisnikof posted:

She's speaking to the UN then giving a presser about the emails afterwards. They're not really related.

Ah gotcha.

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

Grognan posted:

:pusheen:


So what's the next boondoggle coming up? Is there another debt fight soon at hand?

Debt ceiling is reinstated in 5 days (but probably won't be an issue until October because of extraordinary measures)

A Winner is Jew
Feb 14, 2008

by exmarx

ComradeCosmobot posted:

Debt ceiling is reinstated in 5 days (but probably won't be an issue until October because of extraordinary measures)

I thought the last debt ceiling thing included a clause that did away with extraordinary measures, or was that one of the things suggested but wasn't included in the final bill?

Old James
Nov 20, 2003

Wait a sec. I don't know an Old James!

Chokes McGee posted:

Back to senate chat: If this dumbhat move by a dumbhat ultra-hawk branch of the GOP ends up scuttling the "stop negotiating with Iran" bill, I will laugh and laugh and never cease laughing. I hate to say it, but giving the current GOP clownshow the ability to make policies may have been the best possible way to expose them as being completely unable to govern in any meaningful manner.

(four years later, democratic house/senate can't do it either :negative:)

Since 47 out of 53 Republican Senators signed the letter it's safe to say they are the "dumbhat ultra-hawk core of the GOP".

Fate Accomplice
Nov 30, 2006




it would be incredible if 47 senators were tried for treason.

Talmonis
Jun 24, 2012
The fairy of forgiveness has removed your red text.

Malloreon posted:

it would be incredible if 47 senators were tried for treason.

No, it wouldn't. It would set the worst prescedent imaginable for the next time they even get a whiff of executive power. I'm worried they'll try it already. That would seal the deal.

ReidRansom
Oct 25, 2004


Malloreon posted:

it would be incredible if 47 senators were tried for treason.

In the literal sense. As in I would not believe it.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Fried Chicken posted:

I really doubt they will expell anyone, for one kicking them all off campus is already a highly visible punishment, secondly it opens them to a free speech lawsuit.

No it doesn't. If they sued over free speech they'd lose and they'd lose bad. Universities have rules students have to agree to in order to go to said school and something like this video's content would violate pretty much any University's rules. Any expulsion decision is going to be given a look by the University's legal team and if they give it a thumbs up it's because they see no realistic chance of the students suing successfully. If the University wants these kids gone they will be gone and they sure as hell aren't going to have the money to try and fight OU in court.

Any agreement students have for a University's code of conduct will kneecap First Amendment claims because expulsion isn't a criminal punishment and you have no intrinsic right to go to this school or that one. It'd be a very uphill battle for these kids and that's if they had the money to fight expulsion in the first place. If these kids are smart they're currently working to withdraw so they can apply to another school rather than having to risk applying to another school while explaining why OU expelled them. If they try to stay on OU and go to class they're going to get such toxic treatment from other students it'll make their lives hell.

Mitt Romney posted:

Accusing a US army vet of treason wouldn't work well for Obama.

He just needs to work his way up to it. His warmup could be having Allen West charged with war crimes and sent to a windowless cell in a supermax for the next 20 years.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!
Now that the Clinton presser is done and was given a very mundane explanation of a funeral and a wedding, I'd like to register my disappointment that the name "Sendghazi" never took off for this.

ReidRansom
Oct 25, 2004


Evil Fluffy posted:

No it doesn't. If they sued over free speech they'd lose and they'd lose bad. Universities have rules students have to agree to in order to go to said school and something like this video's content would violate pretty much any University's rules. Any expulsion decision is going to be given a look by the University's legal team and if they give it a thumbs up it's because they see no realistic chance of the students suing successfully. If the University wants these kids gone they will be gone and they sure as hell aren't going to have the money to try and fight OU in court.

Any agreement students have for a University's code of conduct will kneecap First Amendment claims because expulsion isn't a criminal punishment and you have no intrinsic right to go to this school or that one. It'd be a very uphill battle for these kids and that's if they had the money to fight expulsion in the first place. If these kids are smart they're currently working to withdraw so they can apply to another school rather than having to risk applying to another school while explaining why OU expelled them. If they try to stay on OU and go to class they're going to get such toxic treatment from other students it'll make their lives hell.


There'd also be a sovereign immunity hurdle they'd need to clear.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:

#47traitors is trending at #1

So conservatives are pushing people to trend

#47patriots

Also they are using that one of the 47 is a veteran as "Dems hate the troops" message

They really are completely hosed next year, I can't wait. This is probably one of the dumbest things they could have done in the midst of something as juicy as Hillary's email story, bumbling imbeciles.

Reminder Cotton met with defense lobbyists immediately afterwards to wet his beak in what he believed was a coming war.

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007

Malloreon posted:

it would be incredible if 47 senators were tried for treason.

Ah, but not just 47 traitors senators anymore! :pseudo:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/03/10/1369943/--48Traitors

quote:

Not content to let anyone be a bigger idiot than himself, Bobby "No Go" Jindal, Governor of Louisiana and pipe dreamer Presidential wannabe has signed Tehran Tom’s letter to Iran. [Update: Noted genius Rick Perry, also not a Senator, has also stepped up to sell out the nation's dignity.]

Spun Dog
Sep 21, 2004


Smellrose

47 and a goofy mascot. He could be like the Philly Fanatic for the senate.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Rick Perry should always be formally referred to as 'Rick Perry, Super Genius'

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

FlamingLiberal posted:

Rick Perry should always be formally referred to as 'Rick Perry, Super Genius'

This but in spanish.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

FlamingLiberal posted:

Rick Perry should always be formally referred to as 'Rick Perry, Super Genius'

We all ridiculed him for thinking that wearing glasses would trick people into thinking he was smart, and then it worked :negative:

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Mister Bates
Aug 4, 2010

Evil Fluffy posted:

No it doesn't. If they sued over free speech they'd lose and they'd lose bad. Universities have rules students have to agree to in order to go to said school and something like this video's content would violate pretty much any University's rules. Any expulsion decision is going to be given a look by the University's legal team and if they give it a thumbs up it's because they see no realistic chance of the students suing successfully. If the University wants these kids gone they will be gone and they sure as hell aren't going to have the money to try and fight OU in court.

Any agreement students have for a University's code of conduct will kneecap First Amendment claims because expulsion isn't a criminal punishment and you have no intrinsic right to go to this school or that one. It'd be a very uphill battle for these kids and that's if they had the money to fight expulsion in the first place. If these kids are smart they're currently working to withdraw so they can apply to another school rather than having to risk applying to another school while explaining why OU expelled them. If they try to stay on OU and go to class they're going to get such toxic treatment from other students it'll make their lives hell.


He just needs to work his way up to it. His warmup could be having Allen West charged with war crimes and sent to a windowless cell in a supermax for the next 20 years.

Some people griped about the police being sent to protect the fratboys, but honestly, with the mood on campus, without a police escort there's a very real chance they would have all had the poo poo kicked out of them. People were pissed. You had the racial minorities and the progressive groups angry about the racism, and more importantly, you also had the sports people angry about embarrassing the school, which is even worse than racism as far as they're concerned.

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