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You'd think that the fal'Cie being big biomechanical things would stand out, since their designs are pretty rad and one of the high points of the game.
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ImpAtom posted:Uh. Oh I thought all Jedi wore robes because all Jedi wear robes in everything Star Wars. My mistake there. All those sith wearing black must have been a coincidence huh bloodychill fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Mar 10, 2015 |
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Mar 10, 2015 21:03
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Rei_ posted:this game looks kinda rad tbqh, i havent watched much about it Digital download, so won't have leaked.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:03
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bloodychill posted:Oh I thought all Jedi wore robes because all Jedi wear robes in everything Star Wars. My mistake there. Pictured: Luke and his uncle Owen, the Not-Jedi,  The robes thing came after the fact, not before. The characters wore robes because they were from a desert planet, not because Jedi wear robes. The costume design for the planet was like that. It did not miraculously make people recognize Jedi because all of two Jedi wore robes and they wore them on a desert planet. bloodychill posted:All those sith wearing black must have been a coincidence huh "Bad guys wear black" isn't a coincidence at all but it has nothing to do with what you're saying. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Mar 10, 2015 |
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Mar 10, 2015 21:11
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There's plenty of instances in the Extended Universe stuff of Jedi and Sith wearing all sorts of things. Taking Star Wars as a whole, the robes are really only a Jedi Knight sort of thing. The order's uniform, but not the uniform of Jedi as a whole.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:13
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bloodychill posted:Oh I thought all Jedi wore robes because all Jedi wear robes in everything Star Wars. My mistake there. Admittedly making blanket statements at all, is frequently leaving yourself open to being shot down. But it takes some special talent to do that in reply to a post which already has examples that shoot down that very blanket statement. I'm quite impressed - I don't think I've ever actually seen that done before, even as a joke post come to think of it.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:15
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Mar 10, 2015 21:18
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Nihilarian posted:As I recall, Yoda wore a robe as well. And I imagine robes would not be the go-to choice for a swamp planet. Yoda was also one of the last surviving members of the Jedi Knights, where that was the uniform. Members of the New Jedi Order wear all sorts of things, including robes.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:21
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AngryRobotsInc posted:There's plenty of instances in the Extended Universe stuff of Jedi and Sith wearing all sorts of things. Taking Star Wars as a whole, the robes are really only a Jedi Knight sort of thing. The order's uniform, but not the uniform of Jedi as a whole. Yeah, but in this case I'm taking about the original three movies where the word Jedi was a strange new thing, not a common recognized word. As I said "lightsaber" would make more sense for the point because lightsabers were instantly identified both in and out of universe with Star Wars. "Jedis are those guys with the magic power and laser swords" is a perfectly valid point to make for how people remember them and even now saying Jedi will instantly call to mind lightsabers. Jedi worked because people liked Star Wars and were willing to invest themselves into remembering things about it. Having mystical fantasy names isn't innately a bad thing. Not making people give a poo poo about it is. That is FFXIII's mistake, not using made-up words.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:27
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XIII's mistake was not giving Lightning a lightsaber.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:31
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ImpAtom posted:Yeah, but in this case I'm taking about the original three movies where the word Jedi was a strange new thing, not a common recognized word. Yeah. I was making the comment more on bloodychill's statement of Jedi wearing robes in "Everything Star Wars." Even just taking the movies into account, that's still not the case, like you say.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:33
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star wars is a universe where the line '"It's the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs." was uttered without explanation or context and in spite of the fact that that's not what a parsec is at all. it's really not the best example for a series that didn't go overboard on the fantasy/sci-fi made up name dropping.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:34
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Mega64 posted:XIII's mistake was not giving Lightning a lightsaber. Return of the Lightning: Final Fantasy XIII. AngryRobotsInc posted:Yeah. I was making the comment more on bloodychill's statement of Jedi wearing robes in "Everything Star Wars." Even just taking the movies into account, that's still not the case, like you say. Fair 'nough.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:37
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AngryRobotsInc posted:Yeah. I was making the comment more on bloodychill's statement of Jedi wearing robes in "Everything Star Wars." Even just taking the movies into account, that's still not the case, like you say. Lordy lordy all those robes. I've seen Plinkett's stupid review of that stupid movie so I'm familiar with this whole robe argument that Star Wars fans have had. The thing is, Jedi are now inextricably bound to those robes. Anyway, are we just settling on "FF13 was so bad that everything it did was bad by association"? Because I'm still willing to give it more than that, that it did some good, but that those names were dumb and they should have just called something else. Fal'sie, for example, maybe should have been called "giant biomechanical robot gods" because that actually sounds badass. It wanted these terms to be a thing as much as Microsoft wanted Bing to be a thing. Neither have become things. bloodychill fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Mar 10, 2015 |
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Mar 10, 2015 21:43
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I am really not invested enough in the status of Jedi clothing to hunt down every example of when Jedi wore something else. So sure, whatever. All Jedi wear robes and fal'Cie is a Dumb Term For Stupids.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:47
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It's probably dumber that two thirds of the main characters' names are ordinary words.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:49
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I'm pretty interested in Type-0 now, at first i thought a lot of the appeal was like that whole japan-exclusive angle but it actually looks pretty fun
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Mar 10, 2015 21:51
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Mega64 posted:It's probably dumber that two thirds of the main characters' names are ordinary words. Well, a lot of video game character's names are ordinary words. We just give them a pass a lot of the time because they're foreign words, which... they still are to Japanese developers. They probably didn't think people would mind after Cloud and Squall. This doesn't make the HOPE MEANS HOPE conversation any less dumb, mind. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Mar 10, 2015 |
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Mar 10, 2015 21:52
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Endorph posted:star wars is a universe where the line '"It's the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs." was uttered without explanation or context and in spite of the fact that that's not what a parsec is at all. it's really not the best example for a series that didn't go overboard on the fantasy/sci-fi made up name dropping. I remember the days when the fiction and fantasy parts of science fiction and fantasy stories were more widely accepted and accused far less of being "dumb" where the main justification is their lack of reality. Putting XIII aside for a moment, I really do miss those days because I enjoyed the stories more. The writers probably felt like they had more freedom to make that stuff then. Anyways, back to talking about how the use of Cie killed XIII and transformed the entire FF franchise into literally hitler.
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Mega64 posted:It's probably dumber that two thirds of the main characters' names are ordinary words. compared to Ffamran mied Bunansa the names in FF13 are some of the most sensible in the series.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:53
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Noctis ignis gladiolus prompto
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Mar 10, 2015 21:54
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Like all the Final Fantasy protagonists have silly names
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Mar 10, 2015 21:56
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Like "Thief", fuckin moron. They're gonna KNOW you're doing the crimes if that's how you introduce yourself.
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Help Im Alive posted:Like all the Final Fantasy protagonists have silly names You better not be saying poo poo about Ceodore.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:58
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Terper posted:Noctis ignis gladiolus prompto I am half convinced the XV names are Square seeing how far they can go with it.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:58
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Rei_ posted:Like "Thief", fuckin moron. They're gonna KNOW you're doing the crimes if that's how you introduce yourself.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:58
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It's not a Final Fantasy thing, it's a jrpg thing. See: EDGE MAVERICK and his predecessor, Fate Linegod.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:59
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Endorph posted:their names were black mage, black mage, black mage, and black mage, and i wont have you claiming otherwise POOP, BUTT, PENS, and TURD have some words for you
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Mar 10, 2015 22:02
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Dr Pepper posted:That's actually not as bad as first impressions give. Oh, yeah, I know. Dark completely owns. It was nuking groups outright all the way through, like, Leviathan. The real issue is the lack of Cure. It makes a male Red Mage unable to contribute to healing for quite a while, and robs them of MP-efficient healing even after Cura's available. For example, in my current game, I got Cura around level 12, when my Red and White Mages had something like 150 MP. Cura costs 25 (without the Channeling Augment), while Cure costs 8. For the most part, Cure is still enough to heal in most situations, so they both used that much more than they used Cura for a while yet. But a male Red Mage wouldn't have that option. It's not a big deal by any means--like most things when it comes to job-character pairings, it's completely manageable--but it's annoying. I can't really think of a good reason not to give Red Mage access to the White Magick 1 license.
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If the games good the names are good even if they are bad and reverse.
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Mar 10, 2015 22:03
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 twice h. peaceman. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWTO4mk6UrM twice h. peaceman's theme
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bloodychill posted:POOP, BUTT, PENS, and TURD have some words for you I don't know what you're talking about, this world was saved by AAAA, AAAA, AAAA, and AAAA Fur20 fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Mar 10, 2015 |
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Terper posted:If the games good the names are good even if they are bad and reverse. So you're saying every name is the worst in the series.
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Mar 10, 2015 22:21
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Butz tho
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Mar 10, 2015 22:22
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Unironically naming everybody Sephiroth in FF7.
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Mar 10, 2015 22:22
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Shut the gently caress up about Star Wars, harison foed is dead you guys.
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Gologle posted:Shut the gently caress up about Star Wars, harison foed is dead you guys. r.i.p. Cid from Advent Children.
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Oh if you like the Type-0 OST you should know it's the same guy who did the soundtracks for The World Ends With You and Crisis Core, the dudes got an ear for a good beat. I like the composers they have at Square now that Uematsu is off doing fuckin' iphone games or whatever, Masayoshi Soken for instance (actually worked under false names until FFXIV, FFXIV was the first game he was allowed to put his name on iirc but he did stuff like Mario Hoops 3on3/Dawn of Mana/Nanashi No Game) is a lot more like, percussion-heavy than anyone else at Square but he's really good at it. FFXIV 2.0's tracks use a LOT of loving drums. Soken also has a band called The Primals and they just play FFXIV boss music at conventions and poo poo, he's pretty rad. Rei_ fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Mar 11, 2015 |
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Mar 11, 2015 00:20
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Rei_ posted:Oh if you like the Type-0 OST you should know it's the same guy who did the soundtracks for The World Ends With You and Crisis Core Does it get better after the first hours? Heard so much praise for TWEWY's
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Rei_ posted:Oh if you like the Type-0 OST you should know it's the same guy who did the soundtracks for The World Ends With You and Crisis Core, the dudes got an ear for a good beat. Well my interest just shot up, a shame that the OST S-E is selling on their website is a blu-ray? I would have bought the hell out of a proper CD release.
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