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Karnegal posted:I don't know. The dems are doing well to start making women's issues that aren't bogged down by religious bullshit (abortion) into political issues. Obama giving nods to equal pay and childcare are things that Hillary could build on to chip away at the white, female republican vote. I mean, there is a limit to how much the GOP can thumb their noses at women's rights before they start bleeding votes. the trouble with leaning on womens' issues is that things like pay equity have been boilerplate feminist talking points for so long that women in the mushy middle - who are often uncomfortable with the f-word - are liable to tune it out as empty rhetoric. Rhetoric isn't enough to win over the security moms and casually-engaged housewives, or to turn out poor and working-class women who are either too busy or too jaded to vote in a lot of elections. People have been talking about the pay gap for forever with only incremental change. Ditto maternity leave, child-care infrastructure and a host of other issues. The slow pace of progress isn't the fault of the feminist lobby (who do the best they can, given heavy opposition by wealthy reactionary groups) or allied lawmakers, but it works against them regardless due to the impatience of the electorate. Democrats need to develop better platforms for showing off specific legislation they want to pass and policy they want to enact, and for explaining how these policies will help working women and mothers. The unsigned bills and position papers are all there, sitting in various democrats' desks. They need to be promoted better. Create and advertise websites where a mom can input some information and see how much money she might save if representative So-And-So's childcare tax credit proposal gets passed, or how Senator Whosit's bill might allow her to get job training while having enough time to take care of her kids. That kind of thing. PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Mar 10, 2015 |
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Good to see the Clinton campaign is off to such a great start.
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N: Maybe we ought to keep the [tapes for] the whole goddamn campaign period. We can prove we never discussed anything pertaining to the crummy Watergate. When you think of all the discussions we've had in this room, that goddamn thing never came up. H: Who you going to prove it to? Could also argue that, you know... N: That we destroyed stuff? H: Well, you discussed that. ... H: Pull out what we want, and get rid of the rest of it. And we want to get rid of the rest of it. N: That's right.
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Arkane posted:Good to see the Clinton campaign is off to such a great start. Yeah she's totally toast. We need a candidate with Huntsmentum.
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Arkane posted:Good to see the Clinton campaign is off to such a great start. Are there any Republican contenders to whom you'd prefer Hillary? She's your typical middle-of-the-road pro-business hawkish new Democrat. And she's at least competent and isn't trying to gently caress up America on purpose. Obviously I get that you'd prefer a sane, intelligent, competent Republican like Rubio sure. But would you vote Hillary over a complete neophyte like Carson or someone actively malicious and anti-American like Cruz, or a puritan Dominionist theocrat nutcase like Huckabee or Santorum? VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Mar 10, 2015 |
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VitalSigns posted:Are there any Republican contenders to whom you'd prefer Hillary? Probably just whoever will deny climate change the loudest.
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Spun Dog posted:Probably just whoever will deny climate change the loudest. Hmm. Do we take the certainty of "God promised no more floods" or the rigorous scientific proof of "well why is it so cold out right now, liberals?" Or perhaps the sage "well maybe it is, maybe it isn't, what is knowledge?"
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VitalSigns posted:Hmm. Do we take the certainty of "God promised no more floods" or the rigorous scientific proof of "well why is it so cold out right now, liberals?"  Things are actually much cooler now than they were at the beginning of the universe. 
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VitalSigns posted:
I love how they can switch not just rhetorical strategies, but their entire epistemic philosophy when it comes to specific scientific issues. Life begins at conception, and that is 100% certain with zero gray area. But you bring up climate change and they suddenly become Descartes, doubting anyone's ability to know anything.
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Rick Perry tweets:quote:I would be proud and honored to sign the letter @SenTomCotton has put forward on Iran.
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Lived in South Florida. Actually really liked it, but I was in college so that may have been part of it. If you cut the state in half just north of Orlando, you'd have a state roughly as reliably Dem federally as Nevada (minorities will overwhelm the olds easily) which is close to solid blue in Presidential years, and then you'd have Alabama. I was there through the Jeb! years and aside from Terri Sciavo, I can't remember anything high profile that was totally heinous that he did, though I know I hated him on last name alone. What else did he pass? I remember some pretty regressive drug laws, but nothing actively damaging to schools that was out of the ordinary. I feel bad for paying almost 0 attention to state politics and being obsessed with the wars alone 2003-2006.
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De Nomolos posted:Lived in South Florida. Actually really liked it, but I was in college so that may have been part of it. The goddamn FCAT. The SAT was a perfectly good standardized yardstick but then Jeb had to roll in with his special olympics version that eventually cannibalized Florida Writes as well. Why? Because the previous goalposts were unfairly measuring Florida at the bottom of the pile when it came to education quality and what better way to make an improvement than to just dig those fuckers up!
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Galoshes are just the right shape. This isn't even a privilege thing thing, it's a cheap piece of rubber and my parents and grandparents used them growing up in a country far poorer than rural Iowa. Is this just a pride in ignorance thing? Plastic bags in socks is an economical way to turn regular shoes or boots into snow-gear; this is a really simple fact known by plenty of people who live in colder climates, as well as hikers and backpackers the world over. Vienna Circlejerk posted:They also kept the boots from eating your socks, and made them easier to slip on and off for lazy kids like me who didn't want to mess with laces. I don't know about ziplocks, though, those seem like a weird choice. Bread bags are just the right shape.
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:Galoshes are good for rain but poo poo for any kind of real snowfall, because they mostly only come up mid-calf and they have big open tops just inviting to be filled with snow when you fall off your sled or step in a drift, which then melts and soaks your socks and freezes your feet. That's why ideally you want something to act as a vapor barrier fitted around your ankle, or the bigger knee-high wellingtons or muck boots, but most people and especially most kids won't own a pair of those. Now that I think about it, I actually had a pair of galoshes instead of snow boots one particularly lean year of my childhood, and I wore bread bags inside them when we had a bunch of snow for this very reason. Maybe you galoshes in winter people don't live where you get snow drifts that you have to walk through?
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FAUXTON posted:The goddamn FCAT. The SAT was a perfectly good standardized yardstick but then Jeb had to roll in with his special olympics version that eventually cannibalized Florida Writes as well. Why? Because the previous goalposts were unfairly measuring Florida at the bottom of the pile when it came to education quality and what better way to make an improvement than to just dig those fuckers up! Then, you can make the FCAT harder every year and raise the standards to pass it every year and then talk about how it's proof teachers suck poo poo (although by God we appreciate them and all) and need to be fired! But wait there's more! Now, after years and years and years of the FCAT being the end-all be-all that literally every school in the state prepares for all year, this year it's being phased out in favor of a new test, the FSA! You see, for the last 15 years the FCAT was a valid test, but now it's not, because So the thing to do is to pay someone to make a new test! It's only millions of dollars! Then since the new test is computer-based every school will have to scramble to figure out some loving way to get enough computers to test their kids and then spend a bunch of classroom time teaching the kids about the funny little irregularities in the test like "Tab doesn't work, just hit enter twice" and "You can't cut and paste" and "This seems intentionally designed to be different from every other computer interface you have ever seen, child." I wish some of our "small government local control" legislators in Tallahassee would get the balls to just say, "Nope, we're done with all the standardized testing, if a county wants to do it they can but we're done wasting money on this crap at the state level." But where would all that sweet, sweet testing company lobby money go then?!? Seriously, the JEB could be getting hosed by a pissed-off mountain gorilla with a 10" soda-can cock who's been guzzling Viagra and Red Bulls ALL. loving. NIGHT. MAN. and he wouldn't be getting hosed nearly hard or long enough for the damage he did to education in our state. The thing is, the current governor is such a detestable piece of hogshit people don't even remember the JEB.
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JonathonSpectre posted:Seriously, the JEB could be getting hosed by a pissed-off mountain gorilla with a 10" soda-can cock who's been guzzling Viagra and Red Bulls ALL. loving. NIGHT. MAN. and he wouldn't be getting hosed nearly hard or long enough for the damage he did to education in our state. Is guillotine chat not hardcore enough now?
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Chokes McGee posted:Louisvillian checking in to say I still believe in Harvey Dent get out the vote, dork we need Louisville to do better than the recent D+12ish if we are gonna avoid ending up with Governor Gomer Dingus
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JonathonSpectre posted:Then, you can make the FCAT harder every year and raise the standards to pass it every year and then talk about how it's proof teachers suck poo poo (although by God we appreciate them and all) and need to be fired! Was an out of state student, didn't have to take that poo poo 
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It's also worth remembering that Jeb tried as hard as he possibly could to both get vouchers and overturn the class size amendment that the dumb voters passed. He even got a repeal amendment on the very next ballot. I can't remember if he was part of the high speed rail repeal that also found it's way to the ballot the very next election after high speed rail passed.
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Gyges posted:It's also worth remembering that Jeb tried as hard as he possibly could to both get vouchers and overturn the class size amendment that the dumb voters passed. He even got a repeal amendment on the very next ballot. I can't remember if he was part of the high speed rail repeal that also found it's way to the ballot the very next election after high speed rail passed. I left the same year as Jeb and I always thought Crist supported it and Scott repealed it. I thought it was sort of a nice idea back then, at least through the I-4 corridor.
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Also he campaigned on tapping the prisons for slave labor.
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:Galoshes are good for rain but poo poo for any kind of real snowfall, because they mostly only come up mid-calf and they have big open tops just inviting to be filled with snow when you fall off your sled or step in a drift, which then melts and soaks your socks and freezes your feet. That's why ideally you want something to act as a vapor barrier fitted around your ankle, or the bigger knee-high wellingtons or muck boots, but most people and especially most kids won't own a pair of those. Do Americans not have Sorel boots? This is a serious question and they combined all the waterproofing of galoshes with cold weather gear plus you can buy knock offs 20 bucks
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This may come as a surprise but some people don't have the money to buy extra pairs of shoes for specific weather types.
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When my dad was unemployed for a winter we got $5 supermarket kneehigh rubber boots for the winter.
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sbaldrick posted:Do Americans not have Sorel boots? This is a serious question and they combined all the waterproofing of galoshes with cold weather gear plus you can buy knock offs 20 bucks We do, but they're loving pricey. My wife owns a couple pairs and I think they cost more than pretty much all of my non-dress shoes combined. Which, granted isn't a fortune, but they're certainly middle-class attire.
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sbaldrick posted:Do Americans not have Sorel boots? This is a serious question and they combined all the waterproofing of galoshes with cold weather gear plus you can buy knock offs 20 bucks I own a pair of 100 dollar Muck Boots and it's one of the best investments I ever made, but you can see why lots of people don't buy expensive all-weather shoes, especially kids and teens. Old Kentucky Shark fucked around with this message at 10:12 on Mar 11, 2015 |
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I did the plastic-bag thing a few times as a kid. It wasn't uncommon in eastern Nebraska where I grew up. But I was also raised by two people who were in their 70's at that time, so they lived through the Depression and kind of liked to not spend money when they didn't have to. Last time I used this method was the 2003 blizzard in Colorado. 2 feet of snow, the power went out with no ETA of when it would come back on, Safeway was open, and we needed candles. Like most Denverites, I don't own winter boots (it snows a lot here, but it melts quickly), so this was my best option of getting to the store without my feet being frozen. Christ, I now feel like Abe Simpson. I also didn't get the shirt until someone upthread pointed the meaning out to me.
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sbaldrick posted:Do Americans not have Sorel boots? This is a serious question and they combined all the waterproofing of galoshes with cold weather gear plus you can buy knock offs 20 bucks Theyre on the pricier side but the real issue is that it's almost never worth buying expensive boots for your kids who are going to grow out of them within the year, especially for rural middle class families who would have a harder time affording them
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JonathonSpectre posted:Then, you can make the FCAT harder every year and raise the standards to pass it every year and then talk about how it's proof teachers suck poo poo (although by God we appreciate them and all) and need to be fired! gently caress yes. That was what I really wanted to contextualize in the first post about Florida; Jeb was in office, doing all this trash right along with his brother. And the FCAT and all its concomitant bullshit was just him trying to copy his brother's sham "Texas Miracle". There's not an inch of daylight between the two of them, and I think only a completely irresponsible Presidential opponent wouldn't just go down the list and remind everyone of every stupid, half-assed, swindling thing Jeb did, and how it was just the state-level version of W. I quit teaching over the FSA, end of course evaluations for all subjects, including electives, and the Common Core rollout. You're very right in that Rick Scott is SUCH a loving monster that it's enough to make both sides remember Jeb as more reasonable, which is a hell of a thing. But what does that mean for people living here and voting now? All the North Florida Republicans think of the Bush Years as some sort of magical utopia, because they were getting exactly what they wanted. Everyone else is just sick of these hosed-up Republican antics. The North part of the state is SO bad that we had to get a recycled Republican to run as a Democrat in the last election. I had the opportunity to work throughout the whole state as a teacher trainer for educational technology, and got to work with the state's "director of technology and innovation", and that was a real insight into the Republican poo poo-sausage making workings of politics. There WERE people like me and her, trying to modernize the curriculum, de-emphasize the FCAT, and get teachers to stop teaching like it's the fuckin 1980s. Unfortunately, Tallahassee is just riddled with educational lobbyists, because of Jeb and his crew and his dedication to loving up education hardcore. The textbook publishers were essentially sitting behind the state senators in the education committees. Pearson and Blackboard and all the other testing and LMS companies were always doling out the cash to pull policy how they wanted. And one of the worst turns was when the Florida Virtual School just decided gently caress IT, and got a lobbying arm of their own. I worked for those fuckers, and they sold out to Blackboard, and then got a law passed that every Florida student must take at least one virtual class. No investment in new teachers, they ditched their tried-and-true LMS for Blackboard, and it was a clusterfuck of ridiculous proportions. It turned what was a very decent online ed program into a bloated, faceless bureaucracy that kids were just forced into. As far as the Presidential election goes, who the gently caress knows. Maybe I'm so crazy from being here and seeing the atrocities that are carried out in secret whenever people elect politicians based on FYGM and the idea that public governance is evil. It has a loud part and a quiet part. The loud part is the poo poo everyone gets angry at in UsPol. The quiet poo poo is what's REALLY going on, the quiet, backroom deals where these anti-government people act as silent auctioneers, literally selling off formerly functional parts of public governance to their friends and the highest bidders. We've seen it in schools and we've seen it in prisons. It's everywhere. But that quiet part is why I can't be quiet in UsPol; they're silently destroying people's will to live and ability to even notice when things get lovely, or remember when they were good. The people of Florida have been a mockery for a long time. This covers up the fact that the place REALLY is a conservative wonderland for the white people who own the state. Unfortunately, the help also gets to vote, and they need someone like an Obama to get them to the polls. I do not think Hillary is going to appeal to Floridians the way Obama did, and I don't think she's going to have a legislative platform and agenda that Floridians will really get behind. EDIT: If you haven't, try checking out Herbert Marcuse's "One-Dimensional Man". It was a Vietnam-era Marxist critique of the silent annihilation of real choice for people, to be replaced with synthetic choices. The idea that in Florida's last gubernatorial election, we had to choose between the current Republican governor and a former Republican governor should say something about the audacity with which the Republicans have owned this state. Quidam Viator fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Mar 11, 2015 |
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PupsOfWar posted:mebbe they were thinking of Tampa So that's what a real-life Ken doll looks like...
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I wonder if any Democratic candidates for congress/Governor in 2016 will remember to bash their opponents for half of the senate committing sedition last year?
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Grouchio posted:I wonder if any Democratic candidates for congress/Governor in 2016 will remember to bash their opponents for half of the senate committing sedition last year? What, are you kidding? That might make them angry and they might run attack ads! 
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Grouchio posted:I wonder if any Democratic candidates for congress/Governor in 2016 will remember to bash their opponents for half of the senate committing sedition last year? Considering sedition means "using freedom of speech" I don't think that will play very hard.
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Alter Ego posted:What, are you kidding? That might make them angry and they might run attack ads!
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computer parts posted:Considering sedition means "using freedom of speech" I don't think that will play very hard.
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DaveWoo posted:Rick Perry tweets: Calm down Rick, you can't all suck Bibi's dick at once.
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Sir Tonk posted:Calm down Rick, you can't all suck Bibi's dick at once.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:I read this as "you can't suck all of Bibi's dick at once" and was like "that's not true!"
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