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FrickenMoron
May 6, 2009

Good game!

Pansacola posted:

Really don't know how to feel about the Hawaii levels.

I just got to the second one, are they loving serious? This some of the most frustrating poo poo ever.

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emanresu tnuocca
Sep 2, 2011

by Athanatos
They are not that different from other levels just make sure you save a couple of bullets for the fat guys.

Lure people to chokepoints, slash slash slash, repeat.

Yardbomb
Jul 11, 2011

What's with the eh... bretonnian dance, sir?

Like they mostly suck in how you have to play them yeah, but the Hawaii levels aren't that hard. Bait people, cut them up, blow your ammo on fat guys and sprays when appropriate. As soon as you can take the sniper rifle, do so, it's a 1 hit kill on fat guys, super accurate, extends your shift look range, has plenty of ammo and generally just rules.

Diesel Fucker
Aug 14, 2003

I spent my rent money on tentacle porn.
Anyone used all the weapons yet? Trying to think what I might have missed. There's a few level specific ones, but I've used them.

Acid in the meth lab, tazer, skateboard, glass shard/shiv in prison

Kazzah
Jul 15, 2011

Formerly known as
Krazyface
Hair Elf
For the Hawaii levels, bring the shotgun every time. Be timid, lure the enemy towards you, cheese the hell out of doors and corners.

Cybershell
Jun 12, 2007

I hold all of you in the highest contempt
I would have really enjoyed the hawaii levels if they just let you use the drat flamethrower to begin with

Inspector Gesicht
Oct 26, 2012

500 Zeus a body.


One fix they could make to this game is a "redux" version of all the maps, where they're all smaller and tighter, with less windows and no corridors that extend beyond the player's view. The tiniest of bad design decisions can break a game like this, and I hope Dennaton gauges the feedback for the bullshit levels.

quakster
Jul 21, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
Agreed. I also hope that they add in a rideable giraffe, and a playble ghost.

Inspector Gesicht
Oct 26, 2012

500 Zeus a body.


quakster posted:

Agreed. I also hope that they add in a rideable giraffe, and a playble ghost.

They're saving those for the sequel.

Diesel Fucker
Aug 14, 2003

I spent my rent money on tentacle porn.
According to the wiki there's a hockey stick in the game somewhere? I think that's the one I need to use. Anyone know where it is?

emanresu tnuocca
Sep 2, 2011

by Athanatos
The last dog in the nightclub when the lighting keeps shifting colors was a real rear end in a top hat move.

I think it appears only after you take the last guy out too, dick move.

emanresu tnuocca fucked around with this message at 12:14 on Mar 12, 2015

Diesel Fucker
Aug 14, 2003

I spent my rent money on tentacle porn.
Just had a nose at the achievements. I've got 30 out of 33 weapon kills. No idea what the last ones could be.

Yardbomb
Jul 11, 2011

What's with the eh... bretonnian dance, sir?

Lasher posted:

Just had a nose at the achievements. I've got 30 out of 33 weapon kills. No idea what the last ones could be.

Did you nunchuk the gently caress out of anyone with Dallas? That might count as one.

I think Irvin also has the only nailgun in the game if you haven't done that.

Also keep in mind there's a solo chainsaw other than the one the twins always have, that might somehow count as another.

There's also a fireaxe that only pops up in one level as far as I can remember, if you didn't use it.

Yardbomb fucked around with this message at 12:41 on Mar 12, 2015

Liquid Penguins
Feb 18, 2006

by Cowcaster
Grimey Drawer
How I feel about the hawaii levels: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec0XKhAHR5I

Diesel Fucker
Aug 14, 2003

I spent my rent money on tentacle porn.

Yardbomb posted:

Did you nunchuk the gently caress out of anyone with Dallas? That might count as one.

I think Irvin also has the only nailgun in the game if you haven't done that.

Also keep in mind there's a solo chainsaw other than the one the twins always have, that might somehow count as another.

There's also a fireaxe that only pops up in one level as far as I can remember, if you didn't use it.

Not used the solo chainsaw, I'll try that now and check back.

edit: Looks like you can't pick them up from the enemies who carry them in hard.

Diesel Fucker fucked around with this message at 13:01 on Mar 12, 2015

Skunkrocker
Jan 14, 2012

Your favorite furry wrestler.
Technically the second level of the game, first level with Detective Pardo, third playable area... Homicide... on Hard Mode...

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

Seriously, they had to do nothing else but remove the ability to use lock on, but they added in the harder enemies too.

Also can we assume the army commander in Hawaii is Brandon since he wears that particular 'mask'?

VoLaTiLe
Oct 21, 2010

He's Behind you

Yardbomb posted:

Like they mostly suck in how you have to play them yeah, but the Hawaii levels aren't that hard. Bait people, cut them up, blow your ammo on fat guys and sprays when appropriate. As soon as you can take the sniper rifle, do so, it's a 1 hit kill on fat guys, super accurate, extends your shift look range, has plenty of ammo and generally just rules.

I have to echo this the Sniper rifle rules at dealing with the Hawaii levels.

I still have not completed the game but I am looking forward to some of the user created levels we will be getting from the community.

I've been ok so far but I'm definately playing this game a bit more cautious and not running out battering everyone due to the large amount of gun using enemies.

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here
Some of the later levels on hard are absolutely miserable because of the "Weapons lose half their ammo on drop" mechanic. Mostly because of how dumb the weapon priorities are. If you accidentally pick up a gun you were saving while trying to grab a melee weapon you might be screwed for that floor.

Edit: Also gently caress door physics so much.

Edit2: Good God, Death wish on hard mode. Windows loving everywhere!

Broken Cog fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Mar 12, 2015

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.

Okay this game is bullshit hard compared to HM1. Maybe it's just sleep deprivation getting to me, but I'm finding it much more frustrating than it is gratifying, very unlike the first game. Forget the much-debated rape scene, the real victim is the player who is brutally sodomized again and again. Also, I haven't read the thread since before the game came out, but does anybody else feel like the controls are much more sluggish in this one? I'm playing with mouse & keyboard, but I feel like I'm fighting through a tide of molasses just the same.

Erata
May 11, 2009
Lipstick Apathy

TomViolence posted:

Okay this game is bullshit hard compared to HM1. Maybe it's just sleep deprivation getting to me, but I'm finding it much more frustrating than it is gratifying, very unlike the first game. Forget the much-debated rape scene, the real victim is the player who is brutally sodomized again and again. Also, I haven't read the thread since before the game came out, but does anybody else feel like the controls are much more sluggish in this one? I'm playing with mouse & keyboard, but I feel like I'm fighting through a tide of molasses just the same.

Nah you're on point. There are a lot of gently caress-you setups with windows and gunmen/fatty placement. It controls the same though. Maybe there's some weirdness going on w/ Vsync + pre-rendered frames w/ your graphics card adding lag?

FrickenMoron
May 6, 2009

Good game!
Okay I just got to the club level and you can't see poo poo. Like literally nothing. My bullshit tolerance for this game is over.

Help Im Alive
Nov 8, 2009

Erata posted:

Nah you're on point. There are a lot of gently caress-you setups with windows and gunmen/fatty placement.

Man wait until you try hard mode



I think like a third of my deaths here were getting stuck on the wall (then shot instantly) while trying to go into that little gap on the lower left to bait people

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!
Please turn off vsync literally immediately, from the very moment you start up the game. It does nothing but bad.

edit: I mean unless you like nauseating amounts of mouse acceleration at any reasonable distance from your character. If you want to steer your camera like it's a boat then go ahead!

ZenVulgarity
Oct 9, 2012

I made the hat by transforming my zen

This game's level designs for the first eight levels or so feel kind of

Off

Like they don't feel fun and challenging, some things just feel annoying

Erata
May 11, 2009
Lipstick Apathy

Help Im Alive posted:

Man wait until you try hard mode



I think like a third of my deaths here were getting stuck on the wall (then shot instantly) while trying to go into that little gap on the lower left to bait people

:suicide:
I'm waiting for them to announce they fixed the mirror-look bug, but yeah, the very first legit level was having a swan fire a gun while big swan chainsawed an army of thugs. I really hope it doesn't turn out to be the same. Predicting that hard-mode's gonna play out like: Ok, I find someone with a gun and toss the gun behind me after firing it as a lure to create a pile of 50 bodies w/ melee, dance back to the gun to bop some fatties.. Rinse/repeat.

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'
I had way more problems with the Richter levels than I did the Hawaii ones.

I really don't like how there's less mayhem and more 'figure out the precise, exacting steps to solve this puzzle' as far as the gameplay goes.

net cafe scandal
Mar 18, 2011

The death of Snakemask is pretty clever but what actually happens if you finish that level? I'm sure this has been asked before...Sorry..so sorry

Metanaut
Oct 9, 2006

Honey it's tight like that.
College Slice

ZenVulgarity posted:

This game's level designs for the first eight levels or so feel kind of

Off

Like they don't feel fun and challenging, some things just feel annoying

:agreed:

I got to the level where your guy breaks every gun he picks up. All the long hallways and windows before this. At least so far almost every level feels like the worst type for the game.

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here

net cafe scandal posted:

The death of Snakemask is pretty clever but what actually happens if you finish that level? I'm sure this has been asked before...Sorry..so sorry

The Duke Nukem dude shows up and takes him to his office. Then he shoots him.
You can also unlock an extra level by interacting with the desk you're sitting at during the extra cutscene.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

net cafe scandal posted:

The death of Snakemask is pretty clever but what actually happens if you finish that level? I'm sure this has been asked before...Sorry..so sorry

The 50 Blessings rep picks him up, escorts him to the office, and shoots him in the head for being such a loudmouth idiot moron dummyface.

It also gives you the opportunity to snatch a floppy disc from the office before you're shot, which the Writer can later find and use to unlock a hidden stage.


e: drat YOU BROKEN COOOOOOOOG

net cafe scandal
Mar 18, 2011

Broken Cog posted:

The Duke Nukem dude shows up and takes him to his office. Then he shoots him.
You can also unlock an extra level by interacting with the desk you're sitting at during the extra cutscene.

Thank you.

Meta-Mollusk
May 2, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
Grimey Drawer

FrickenMoron posted:

Okay I just got to the club level and you can't see poo poo. Like literally nothing. My bullshit tolerance for this game is over.

Strange, I could see just fine. Perhaps try adjusting your screen brightness a bit? :shrug:

Ledgy
Aug 1, 2013

Up against the wall

Milky Moor posted:

I had way more problems with the Richter levels than I did the Hawaii ones.

I really don't like how there's less mayhem and more 'figure out the precise, exacting steps to solve this puzzle' as far as the gameplay goes.

That's weird, I personally really liked how Richter's levels were basically just like HLM1.

Help Im Alive
Nov 8, 2009

Has anyone else run into this? On hard mode, my game crashes the second I attack the chainsaw guy in the subway level. It's happened like 4 times in a row (I'm playing on PS4)

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

Tiler Kiwi posted:

story stuff

I think the devs cared a lot about the story. People complain about its ideosyncrities, but even as weak as it got at points I liked what they were at least trying to do. To be a hyperbolic prat, I'm going to claim that, right now in games, you see pretty much two kinds of stories whenever they're meant to be a selling point to a game, the AAA style where you have a completely rote plot with a thematic dressing thrown on it to act like its some grand allegory or message, and the indie style where you have a sort of mishmash of symbolism that resembles something evocative, airy metaphorical writing, and a complete lack of any real message so people can just make up whatever they think sounds cool when talking about it. I didn't really care for HL1's story since it was the latter style to a T, but HL2 they decided to nut up enough to actually try to present enough of a story that they had to actually rely on, well, actual writing ability. I think they did okay.

There's only a few things I think about the theme of the game, aside from the obvious things others have pointed out. There's a lot of stuff about taking on roles and honesty. The actor only acts when he's not in the role of a killer, and honesty about that is treated as abhorrent. The fans want to have the role of the masked killer but don't know what the role even is about, and really just want their moment of fame. Henchman wants out so he can be a family man or whatnot, but its not what he _really_ wants, and when it falls apart, he self destructs. The detective creates his own serial killer so he can act like a cowboy cop who doesn't follow the rules. Son follows obliviously in his dads footsteps. etc. Richard, to me, comes off not just as a portent of death, but sort of an unmasking of the motivations of the characters.

I think the big "theme moment" for the game comes from the Lt.'s drunken rant about everyone involved being mindless animals, killing without even understanding the reasons behind it. He puts on a mask and goes on a crazy, but totally honest, rant, and then removes the mask and starts falling back into his old role and makes up poo poo to back away from what he just said. The only guy who really seems to have an understanding of what they're doing and where they're going, to the point that they get a choice in their ending, is the Writer, and he's the only guy who doesn't have to kill people. The actor doesn't technically kill anyone either, maybe, but that almost falls in some reverse situation; he internalized the role of "mindless killer" and yet he's only able to carry out his killings as an act.

and then everyone left alive all die for reasons completely outside their understanding, killed because someone killed the heads of state for some unknowable reason and Russia decided to kill people without really knowing what is going on.


I found this game actually quite straightforward as well. I'm not sure where people are getting the mindfuck from, since despite the non-chronological order the stories are presented and laid out as they seem.

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here
I hope modders make more maps centered around the third Snake mask, because it's loving hilarious.

Seriously, if you have unlocked it, go back and replay the older levels with it. That mask is pure Hotline Miami.

Honest Davion
Jul 25, 2006
I buy Joel Nerf Guns

Skunkrocker posted:

Also can we assume the army commander in Hawaii is Brandon since he wears that particular 'mask'?

Would make sense as then that would be a reference to Apocalypse Now, especially as he's already on a similar spiral to Brando's Colonel Kurtz in the film.

Isaacs Alter Ego
Sep 18, 2007


I am somewhat disappointed. I beat this on hard because I wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything that suddenly made the whole game shine in a new light to me or anything but no, nothing really changes other than 3x enemies and more glass.

I kind of wish they had trimmed a lot of the fat. There are so many ideas going on and so many of them get abandoned or go unexplored. It feels like a fever dream but not in the good way like the first one.

memy
Oct 15, 2011

by exmarx

Honest Davion posted:

Would make sense as then that would be a reference to Apocalypse Now, especially as he's already on a similar spiral to Brando's Colonel Kurtz in the film.

I thought this at least was pretty obvious given that he looks more than a little like Brando as Kurtz. Although the mask's name may be a coincidence

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Rasamune
Jan 19, 2011

MORT
MORT
MORT
Is anyone else having a problem on the Vita version where the camera doesn't snap back when you adjust it with the touchscreen? I mean, it seems like being able to pan around wherever could be useful, but it seems to happen randomly and there doesn't look to be any way to turn it off, so it looks more like a bug

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