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Doesn't help that all of the Japanese battleships up until the Yamato uses the same basic secondary armament configuration, which is anti-destroyer/anti-cruiser only, with only a few dual purpose guns (two AA emplacements per side; Amagi gets 4). Gonna really suck in comparison if the US battleship hull upgrades get 5" dual purpose batteries for the mid tiers, giving them probably double the effective AA of Myogi, Kongo and Fuso. Tatsuta still has the most hilarious AA setup. Four big sandbagged platforms around the first funnel featuring all of of one Maxim gun each. Pre and early-war AA really isn't much.
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srb posted:Doesn't help that all of the Japanese battleships up until the Yamato uses the same basic secondary armament configuration, which is anti-destroyer/anti-cruiser only, with only a few dual purpose guns (two AA emplacements per side; Amagi gets 4). Gonna really suck in comparison if the US battleship hull upgrades get 5" dual purpose batteries for the mid tiers, giving them probably double the effective AA of Myogi, Kongo and Fuso. My experience was that the Fuso and up rip apart planes. Maybe not fast enough to prevent a torp squadron from attacking but enough to panic it, reduce the number of torps, and leave it horribly bloodied. I was killing 20-30 planes in any decent match and keeping the skies thinned out, better still if you're near anything else with AA. Of course cruisers get even better AA, but the higher tier BBs are in the game as they are currently doesn't leave me worried. Desuwa fucked around with this message at 10:24 on Mar 13, 2015 |
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Mar 13, 2015 10:08
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The tier 9 Ibuki is the first Japanese cruiser with respectable AA, really, and it's the same as the tier 6 Cleveland and worse than US tier 9 Baltimore. AA balancing will probably be weird if they expect cruisers to escort battleships.
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Mar 13, 2015 10:12
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It's really quite ironic that aircraft carriers actually get weaker with higher tiers, simply because low tier ships have gently caress-all for AA guns. Most cruisers have one or two at most.
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Mar 13, 2015 10:14
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Desuwa posted:It's still in beta. There's no reason to assume it'll be different from WoWP in that gold will be unified for the real release. Yeah - your progress is certainly going to be wiped when the beta ends, they can't let you spend your actual gold on stuff that'll be deleted.
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srb posted:The tier 9 Ibuki is the first Japanese cruiser with respectable AA, really, and it's the same as the tier 6 Cleveland and worse than US tier 9 Baltimore. AA balancing will probably be weird if they expect cruisers to escort battleships. I think the AA stats are bugged or something. During Alpha, my Mogami seemed to shoot down planes just as good as Clevelands, and Fuso's seem to shoot down way more planes than they should.
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Mar 13, 2015 10:24
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The worst part about this game is the playerbase, looks like I'll have to run double dive bombers on all my CV just to kill that one skilled DD. Looking at you there demon! They should look at the MM too, CV of different tiers just can't be mixed with the current fighter balance. I lost two full sets of fighters while attacking a single squadron of an enemy carrier. That was my Langley vs his Independence.
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Mar 13, 2015 10:34
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Tahirovic posted:The worst part about this game is the playerbase So, World of Tanks all over again?
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Is it too late to sign up I never got informed that they'd be open.
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Mar 13, 2015 11:26
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Rorac posted:I got caught in one of those actually, in a battleship no less. I haven't seen anybody do it to me since so who knows, you might've been the one to do it to me. I can confirm that torpedo crosses work really really well, and there really isn't any solution, outside of 'eat poo poo and die'.    Now if only I could stop sucking at destroyers.
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Hey Insert. Give me an invite key if you get one, and we can relive Navy Field 2009-2010, but without the amazingness of killing people's hard earned vets with AA ships.
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Mar 13, 2015 12:25
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Insert name here posted:This poo poo is pretty hilarious to do, especially when you've got another carrier doing it at the same time with you: The worst is when you and another carrier try this, and you both miss the manual drop  Also the Nicholas is hilarious. The torps have 13km range, so I just fire them down the spaces between islands, usually manage to rack up a couple hits, or the occasional DD kill.
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Mar 13, 2015 12:29
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I need to get used to doing manual drops. Both of those I just told my squadrons to attack and it worked out fine cause both of them were too busy focusing on shooting me that they weren't doing heavy manuevering. Every time I've done a manual drop so far I've hosed it up like an idiot like giving the attack order too close to where the bombers are flying so they have to fly circles downwards in order to drop and by the time they do the ship has moved away.Infidelicious posted:Hey Insert. Give me an invite key if you get one, and we can relive Navy Field 2009-2010, but without the amazingness of killing people's hard earned vets with AA ships.  (I don't have an invite code sorry I just applied like a pleb)
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Insert name here posted:I need to get used to doing manual drops. Both of those I just told my squadrons to attack and it worked out fine cause both of them were too busy focusing on shooting me that they weren't doing heavy manuevering. Every time I've done a manual drop so far I've hosed it up like an idiot like giving the attack order too close to where the bombers are flying so they have to fly circles downwards in order to drop and by the time they do the ship has moved away. One wonders how much of the old Navyfield crew will be getting into this. I put unbelievable amounts of time into that awful game, and I'm still a sicker for naval combat.
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Played a few last night...the St. Louis still owns. All that AP down range can really hold its own against poorly piloted BBs. I'm still not very good at BBs but I only free exp'ed to the t4. The Cleveland loving owns though...2k XP game in the only game I played in it. Dropping 3k AP hits every 9 seconds or so and then torped 2 BBs that decided to get too close. Looking forward to tooning up tonight  also still on the fence if I should blow the rest of my free XP on a high tier DD again. Played both Japanese and US and the mid tier US ranges are so bad I'd skip to like t7...hmmmm
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I'm interested in this game but I'm not sure about it. World of tanks: tanks with health bars, Ew. World of planes: planes with health bars, Ew. World of warships: ships with health bars, well it worked fine in Battlestations1&2 so I'm not too driven off by it. How much is it "health bar" driven though, battlestations had health bars but still seemed some what realistic in the amount of damage ships could take. How work in progress is the look of the game? The way everything moves, the speed of the water/fire/smoke, too fast, everything looks like models on a lake, they could tilt shift it and put a lake shore skybox and the illusion would be perfect. Also you should play Battlestations Pacific if you haven;t and your like arcadish boat games, it's great.
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Artless Meat posted:I think the AA stats are bugged or something. During Alpha, my Mogami seemed to shoot down planes just as good as Clevelands, and Fuso's seem to shoot down way more planes than they should. Yeah I think so too. My Mogami used to make short work of planes anywhere near it, However in CBT it can only get a single plane kill if the squad just hovers around long enough
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Insert name here posted:This poo poo is pretty hilarious to do, especially when you've got another carrier doing it at the same time with you: Ah that game was so nice, I was really surprised when I realized an other carrier is doing the same and the attacks seemed coordinated. Does manual drop mean you can actually tell the planes when to drop torps, and not just from what angle?
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Mar 13, 2015 13:10
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Wait i thought platoons had a max of 4 people?
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Flannelette posted:I'm interested in this game but I'm not sure about it. Turn off the players (team) panel and don't look at it. Problem solved. Health bars don't mean poo poo when you drop in a well-placed salvo and ammo rack another ship. Three times today I managed that but I have been around longer and had practice raining hell down on people. The best part is the new players who still have not gotten the hang of varying your speed and making turns to throw off the enemy getting a good bead on your. Since speed is relatively impossible to determine when you are in open water that makes it a bitch for the other guy. Use ALT to get the hud to display the additional target information on your enemy i.e. shell travel speed and distance to target. Johnny 5 and whoever else was in the division with me last night, good games. Sorry I had to bail but it was hella late. Had a good time, even when we had Hellsau on our team.  Btw Hellsau is amazing in a CV. Sucks there were not more on TS though to get in divisions but it seems like everyone is predictably on the camping the stairs server.. I will keep this TS around for a few more months and likely take it down because you fucks don't use it and I can't be bothered to maintain it when no one wants to use it. Crash74 posted:Wait i thought platoons had a max of 4 people? Huh?
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I was looking in the game options, and it says 'hold control to use secondary (AAA?) weapons'. I do that, but I never get anything but a cursor. I'm only in tier 3. Do my ships just not have AAA yet? What's with those secondary guns that jut out from the belt of the first battleship? Do those fire like all the other guns whenever I blast a salvo at a target in their line of fire, or do they just stick out and look stupid?
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Secondary weapons start at tier 4 or 5 I think. You can hit 'P' to disable AA if your ship is equipped, don't do that. Secondaries are real and useful. Example on my Kongo I can get close in and while my mains reload the secondaries are shooting and making them pay. I have killed a number of ships with my secondaries actually which really pisses people off when you mock them. I keep using the Kongo as my broken record example because I do so enjoy that ship. I have the Amagi and Pensacola unlocked with enough XP to elite it and cash in the bank to buy all the mods too but cannot decide what line I want to go down. There was a question about what happens at the end of CBT.. Alpha's who get the camo Iwaki premium ship will keep that. Not sure about anything else but it would make sense everything else is reset and you go back to being a heathen with the rest. Maybe they will give us a few days ahead of the rest like they did with this transition. Who knows. Also Gunlion was in general chat yesterday afternoon and was discussing that they are working on giving the players a stipend of piasters but still figuring out just how to do it without handing everyone too much. With 3k I will have enough to combine with what they already gave us to free xp through the Amagi and get the Yamato again with minimal effort. If I wasn't a dumbass and burned xp to unlock both the Amagi and Pensacola I would have had enough to get to the Yamato. FML. demonR6 fucked around with this message at 13:35 on Mar 13, 2015 |
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demonR6 posted:You can hit 'P' to disable AA if your ship is equipped, don't do that. Getting your destroyer spotted because someone had to take a pot-shot at some random fighter is a shame though.
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True, but if you are in a BB and have a target on your back already with waves of bombers and fighters all around you that is a moot point. But I agree there are valid reasons to disable them depending on the situation. I am usually in something that becomes primary from the get go so being discreet does not matter.
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Tanreall posted:They should add more notifications to standard battle to let people know it's against bots. No. Keep them in there. For AA, if you hold control and click a squadron your aa will focus it and do more damage to it and less to everything else. Anti-surface secondaries fire automatically but at point blank range. Battleships, especially the faster ones can dodge crossed runs, but only if they're dodging one run before the planes drop and manipulate their speed to help against the second.
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NerdyMcNerdNerd posted:I was looking in the game options, and it says 'hold control to use secondary (AAA?) weapons'. I do that, but I never get anything but a cursor. I'm only in tier 3. Do my ships just not have AAA yet?
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Also while the torp talk is still fresh.. enemy torpedo bombers have issues attacking you if you are moving too close to an island. Watched a squadron waffle around for a bit then drop them in shallow water where most blew up on contact and the other did not do poo poo apparently. They get confused in other words and don't act correctly.
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demonR6 posted:Also while the torp talk is still fresh.. enemy torpedo bombers have issues attacking you if you are moving too close to an island. Watched a squadron waffle around for a bit then drop them in shallow water where most blew up on contact and the other did not do poo poo apparently. They get confused in other words and don't act correctly. Yea I had some instances where no matter what, the angle was wonky and not bombing right. Add a good destroyer throwing down smoke and it's just overall frustrating 
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Prav posted:Getting your destroyer spotted because someone had to take a pot-shot at some random fighter is a shame though. Would be a rather lovely pilot if they didn't spot a ship before being in range of AA anyway. e: Largepotato fucked around with this message at 14:12 on Mar 13, 2015 |
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Desuwa posted:Ships are really just big tanks when you think about it. I can't find the photos because it's an incredibly awkward thing to search for, but it certainly did happen where they just stuck a tank on the deck of a ship and used it as a gun.
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Fart Car '97 posted:I can't find the photos because it's an incredibly awkward thing to search for, but it certainly did happen where they just stuck a tank on the deck of a ship and used it as a gun. I want to say the Russians did this, and also used KV1 turrets on some ships if I remember my reading correctly.
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CVs might need a little....adjusting... demonR6 posted:Also while the torp talk is still fresh.. enemy torpedo bombers have issues attacking you if you are moving too close to an island. Watched a squadron waffle around for a bit then drop them in shallow water where most blew up on contact and the other did not do poo poo apparently. They get confused in other words and don't act correctly. That only works vs dumb pubs, if you go manual then you have no such issues. Also -> secret manual hint: you can enable manual aim while heading to a way point, it's usually a far more reliable method to get your planes to do their attack run on time instead of circling back to the launch point. The important part is to set the attack from outside the circle. Hammerstein fucked around with this message at 14:16 on Mar 13, 2015 |
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Hammerstein posted:CVs might need a little....adjusting... Pubs underpowered, buff pubs.
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I can't believe I am going to actually play this game, gently caress me (I already got my CBT invite). Place your bets now, is my Shanky_McChatbanned account also Forever-Chatbanned in World of Warships like it is in World of Tanks.
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FlyingCowOfDoom posted:I want to say the Russians did this, and also used KV1 turrets on some ships if I remember my reading correctly. Wasn't this for something like shallow water patrol boats? Anyhoo, I do like this game so far; looking forward to getting a destroyer!
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Fart Car '97 posted:I can't find the photos because it's an incredibly awkward thing to search for, but it certainly did happen where they just stuck a tank on the deck of a ship and used it as a gun. You might be remembering the first Tiger captured? Got stuck on a cargo ship for the journey to England, and the person who captured it turned its gun on a U-boat that attacked them, since it was already lashed to the deck. As for the game, currently terrible but improving. Destroyers are great fun, and only experience so far with ramming has come in one too. Dodged an enemy destroyers torpedo spread, only for them to turn themselves into a final one. Actually a wise move too, as I was lining up an extremely close-range kill shot on a Kongou before having to maneuver to dodge.
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FlyingCowOfDoom posted:I want to say the Russians did this, and also used KV1 turrets on some ships if I remember my reading correctly. There were plenty of instances of the allies just straight sticking a Sherman on the front deck for gun purposes if I remember right. Not permanently, but if they were hauling them anyways. Lord Koth posted:You might be remembering the first Tiger captured? Got stuck on a cargo ship for the journey to England, and the person who captured it turned its gun on a U-boat that attacked them, since it was already lashed to the deck. Nah the pictures/photos I've seen amounted to "Sometimes the alies would put shermans on the deck to use their guns. Here's some photos of Shermans lashed to the deck of ships." Fart Car '97 fucked around with this message at 14:29 on Mar 13, 2015 |
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Hammerstein posted:CVs might need a little....adjusting... My Independence got absolutely murdered by a Saipan with Buffalos holy poo poo talk about a fighter upgrade. It would also be nice if you could adjust the spread of torpedo bombers along with their angle of attack but that could be stupidly overpowered against a slow BB
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They should do the same thing they did with tanks, give us 250g daily and call it a day. It should not be complicated. I ran out of piasters to buy more ships.
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