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But Scotland gives free university places to all of its residents, that surely balances out the 1% difference in places.
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serious gaylord posted:But Scotland gives free university places to all of its residents, that surely balances out the 1% difference in places. In that specific example sure I guess. I never said there aren't areas where Scotland spends more but was just asking whether or not the £800 figure takes these differences into account.
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Mar 12, 2015 16:23
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Do we know how this £800 figure is calculated? How much of it might reflect certain public sector 'industries' (e.g. defense, university places, scientific research) being proportionally larger in Scotland relative to its population? For example Scotland has 8% of the UK's population but 9% of university places. If Scotland spends more because it's performing more public sector functions that are beneficial to the whole of the UK it's not the same as having an intrinsic deficit. But then under FFA wouldn't Scotland be still footing the bill even if the rest of the UK does benefit, for whatever reason?
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Mar 12, 2015 16:23
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Pissflaps posted:But then under FFA wouldn't Scotland be still footing the bill even if the rest of the UK does benefit, for whatever reason? Does the Gers stats account for EU money that's given to the UK as a result of the rural areas in Scotland ? If not the income spend disparity could be exaggerated. Also I just got a campaign letter from Bertie Auld asking me to vote Labour  This is going to be a bizarre election.
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Mar 12, 2015 21:00
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jre posted:Does the Gers stats account for EU money that's given to the UK as a result of the rural areas in Scotland ? If not the income spend disparity could be exaggerated. Hooo poo poo I'd forgotten all about the EU farming money. It's quite a hefty amount and the last time I checked almost none of it actually comes back to Scotland.
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Mar 12, 2015 21:01
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Isn't CAP money given to farmers? It's not like it could be spent on anything else by the state so I'm not sure what difference it would make.
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Mar 12, 2015 21:10
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Pissflaps posted:Isn't CAP money given to farmers? It's not like it could be spent on anything else by the state so I'm not sure what difference it would make. they're moving away from direct payment as far as I recall towards other means of support to try to lower costs. For my EU Politics class we had an expert lecturer on the CAP and transfer payments but I can't remember a great deal of what we was saying since i find Agricultural policy boring, but I could dig out my notes? There's also the new member nations who have only just been able to claim CAP support equally with the older states which will affect farmers in the UK.
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IceAgeComing posted:they're moving away from direct payment as far as I recall towards other means of support to try to lower costs. For my EU Politics class we had an expert lecturer on the CAP and transfer payments but I can't remember a great deal of what we was saying since i find Agricultural policy boring, but I could dig out my notes? http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-13-631_en.htm How is the budget used? The CAP's budget is spent in 3 different ways: Income support for farmers and assistance for complying with sustainable agricultural practices: farmers receive direct payments, provided they live up to strict standards relating to food safety, environmental protection and animal health and welfare. These payments are fully financed by the EU, and account for 70% of the CAP budget. Under the June 2013 reform, 30% of direct payments will be linked to European farmers' compliance with sustainable agricultural practices which are beneficial to soil quality, biodiversity and the environment generally, such as crop diversification, the maintenance of permanent grassland or the preservation of ecological areas on farms. Market-support measures: these come into play, for example, when adverse weather conditions destabilise markets. Such payments account for less than 10% of the CAP budget. Rural development measures: these are intended to help farmers modernise their farms and become more competitive, while protecting the environment, contributing to the diversification of farming and non-farming activities and the vitality of rural communities. These payments are part-financed by the member countries, generally extend over a number of years, and account for some 20% of the CAP's budget.
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Mar 12, 2015 21:20
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Pissflaps posted:Isn't CAP money given to farmers? It's not like it could be spent on anything else by the state so I'm not sure what difference it would make. I wasn't purely referring to the farming money, there is a lot of funds for rural development projects as well.
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Mar 12, 2015 21:20
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The same dozen or so stories rehashed again in a slightly new format as to why Scotland is too poo poo to leave the UK shocker. Its not like they havent been doing this since the 70s...
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It's not too poo poo to leave the UK. It is too poo poo to become a socialist paradise in the style of Norway which is the most common vision for independent Scotland. The insinuation being England is just making Scotland poo poo by sucking the vigor from it or something. Basically underpants gnome economics. 1. Independence 2)... 3)... 4) Profit (Socialist utopia).
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Mar 13, 2015 01:12
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Regarde Aduck posted:It's not too poo poo to leave the UK. It is too poo poo to become a socialist paradise in the style of Norway which is the most common vision for independent Scotland. "Scotland will be the new Greece" sounds like people are saying it is VERY poo poo indeed and couldnt cope without being held up by the rest of the UK. Maybe Im understanding that opinion wrong, but you cant tell me people have not said that and stories have not run with those words. The Socialist paradise thing may be a stretch but its probably better than having no imagination or ambition at all.
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Mar 13, 2015 01:18
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The funny thing is that if you have a read through the EU thread you'll find the consensus is that Greece would be fine if the eurozone was a full political, fiscal and monetary union rather than just a monetary one.
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Mar 13, 2015 08:45
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Has anybody here signed this?
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Mar 13, 2015 13:27
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Oh for gently caress's sake. I'm pretty sure there's pre-union depictions of the unicorn around Scotland that have the chains. Is it not meant to be based off some old legend about unicorns being dangerous beasts or something? Being a member of the FREEDOM45HOPEOVAFEAR set is becoming more of a riddy every week.
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Mar 13, 2015 13:37
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Huh. 20 years of owning a passport and I'd never even noticed that the unicorn was chained. And apparently the two on the Scottish coat of arms are as well. Learn something new everyday.
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Mar 13, 2015 13:40
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How dare they represent Scotland as a mythical beast when Scotland is very definitely real. This is an outrageous insult 
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Mar 13, 2015 13:50
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Lord of the Llamas posted:How dare they represent Scotland as a mythical beast when Scotland is very definitely real. This is an outrageous insult Scotlands national animal is the unicorn or something? I know I lived next door to a boat called The Unicorn in Dundee for a while. Also I kind of love that it's listed under human rights. I'm sure that the government will get right the gently caress on that after dealing with the equally important lovely living conditions of clothing makers in India and Cambodia.
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Sion posted:Also I kind of love that it's listed under human rights. I'm sure that the government will get right the gently caress on that after dealing with the equally important lovely living conditions of clothing makers in India and Cambodia. Yes supporters are an oppressed minority.
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Mar 13, 2015 14:07
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Unicorns are real 
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Cat Machine posted:I'm pretty sure there's pre-union depictions of the unicorn around Scotland that have the chains.  The only exception I know of is the Canadian coat of arms (which is largely based on the British one, with Canadian and French elements) showing the unicorn chained but untethered, representing its "resistance to oppression":  I also like to think that the decision to give the unicorn the fleur-de-lis flag was a deliberate one.    I hate the monarchy but heraldry is kind of cool 
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Mar 13, 2015 14:17
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That unicorn has a bit of a snarl on him, to be honest. I think the chain might be required?
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Mar 13, 2015 14:19
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Alex Salmond is showing his disgust with the Sun's photoshopping antics by having his diary serialised in the paper.
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Pissflaps posted:Alex Salmond is showing his disgust with the Sun's photoshopping antics by having his diary serialised in the paper. No loving way
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Mar 13, 2015 18:00
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I didn't even know the unicorn represented Scotland, and now that I do I don't care if it has chains. Might be generalising here, but I would have expected "progressive scottish nationalists" and "people who give a poo poo about coats of arms" would be a pretty small crossover group.
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Hoops posted:Might be generalising here, but I would have expected "progressive scottish nationalists" and "people who give a poo poo about coats of arms" would be a pretty small crossover group. This is the first I've heard of it. I have no idea where Pissflaps digs this stuff up. On the other hand there was MacCormick v Lord Advocate.
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Mar 13, 2015 18:24
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I love our wee unicorn. All the other countries must be kicking themselves for not coming up with mythological animals for their crests as well.
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Mar 13, 2015 18:26
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loving unicorn. It should clearly have been a kelpie.
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Mar 13, 2015 18:31
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jre posted:No loving way Not sure if you're being sarcastic here, but the serialisation of diaries by politicians who should know better in Murdoch/Barclays/Rothermere titles is relatively common. Private Eye tends to highlight it, particularly if the politician has been recently critical of the paper/owner, but mostly as a small "and another thing" type of thing.
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Niric posted:Not sure if you're being sarcastic here, but the serialisation of diaries by politicians who should know better in Murdoch/Barclays/Rothermere titles is relatively common. Private Eye tends to highlight it, particularly if the politician has been recently critical of the paper/owner, but mostly as a small "and another thing" type of thing. I'm well aware of that. I can't believe he'd be so grasping as to go ahead with it after the "wrecking ball" job they've done in the last few days. Makes him look like a massive hypocrite.
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Mar 13, 2015 19:28
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Coohoolin posted:I love our wee unicorn. All the other countries must be kicking themselves for not coming up with mythological animals for their crests as well. Wee means piddle. Haha piss unicorn. Hahahahaha.
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Mar 13, 2015 19:28
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Does it come out of the horn?
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Regarde Aduck posted:Wee means piddle. Haha piss unicorn. Hahahahaha. I like this post.
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Mar 13, 2015 19:36
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jre posted:I'm well aware of that. I can't believe he'd be so grasping as to go ahead with it after the "wrecking ball" job they've done in the last few days. Makes him look like a massive hypocrite. I agree he's a hypocrite, but the serialisation rights etc would handled by the publisher rather than the author (even when the author is a high profile public figure, though I don't doubt there's some serious input from Salmond's team on this) well in advance of the actual printing. Even if he had wanted to spike or delay the serialisation I'm not sure he'd be able to.
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Mar 13, 2015 19:55
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Gapey Joe Stalin posted:Does it come out of the horn? piss icicle horn unicorns 
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Mar 13, 2015 19:59
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Jim Murphy sniffs glue, and probably also buzzes gas.
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Mar 13, 2015 20:13
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I don't recall Salmond voicing any unhappiness about criticism of the SNP under Swinney after the last time he quit either.
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Mar 13, 2015 20:20
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Scotland's national animal is the Unicorn. gently caress your opinions.
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Mar 13, 2015 21:41
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Niric posted:I agree he's a hypocrite, but the serialisation rights etc would handled by the publisher rather than the author (even when the author is a high profile public figure, though I don't doubt there's some serious input from Salmond's team on this) well in advance of the actual printing. Even if he had wanted to spike or delay the serialisation I'm not sure he'd be able to. If he didnt want it serialised in a paper he can stop it. loving hell honestly this is what you're going with?
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