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Elyv
Jun 14, 2013



Full spoiler is up.

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Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

Whenever I read the comments on Maro's posts I'm impressed with how chill and friendly he remains 100% of the time despite being the guy who gets to deal with all the ranting feedback from entitled magic players.

Count Bleck
Apr 5, 2010

DISPEL MAGIC!



Close but no cigar!

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



I wonder if U/W heroics start using some number of Center Souls instead of/in addition to their Gods Willings. Is one colorless worth getting the effect again at the cost of the scry?

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

Well there's a roadblock for limited bombs.

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?


Lens of Clarity is back

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!
These combat tricks with rebound are really good.

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

Rinkles posted:



Lens of Clarity is back

And this time it's got a body so it might actually maybe almost be fringe playable.

Madmarker
Jan 7, 2007

Count Bleck posted:



Close but no cigar!

Well.......at least its the same CMC


I got nothing... this card is poop.

Serperoth
Feb 21, 2013




Madmarker posted:

Well.......at least its the same CMC


I got nothing... this card is poop.

Well it's not card disadvantage! :negative:

Terrible Horse
Apr 27, 2004
:I
Yeah Dismiss would've just really warped the format...

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

White gets a cheap tapper at common? I thought they didn't do that any more.


This seems really powerful in limited if you're going for a long game plan.


Actual good cheap common removal? :psyduck:


:black101:

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?
The new and improved Festering Goblin



"Taigam"

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



I forget, was Virulent Plague spoiled before?



Because drat. Pretty solid middle finger at token strategies.

Serperoth
Feb 21, 2013




Entropic posted:


Actual good cheap common removal? :psyduck:

Terrible art, terrible flavour text, 0/10, would not cast.


Wow that seems... Pretty good actually. Finisher for control?

Gyshall
Feb 24, 2009

Had a couple of drinks.
Saw a couple of things.
Pacifism at common is A Good Thing for this draft format, wow. Can't wait to draft this poo poo.

Mercury Crusader
Apr 20, 2005

You know they say that all demons are created equal, but you look at me and you look at Pyro Jack and you can see that statement is not true, hee-ho!


Another warrior bear, with tribal Goblin War Drums.



Alternate Timeline War-Name Aspirant also doesn't like 1/1 tokens but can still be blocked by them.



More sac removal, this time with occasional conditional life gain.




No 1CMC green mana dork to make T2 Knux. :(

MiddleEastBeast
Jan 19, 2003

Forum Bully
Compulsive Research for creatures! And it costs 1 more, because reasons!

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?
Control magic! ... w/ a pretty big downside




Funky


This is neat


As expected there isn't that much exploit fodder in BU, though there is some

Elyv
Jun 14, 2013



Some good acceleration(especially the first one)

this is a cool card, although probably not very good unless you're aggressive(limited obv)



I like the change in flavor text and art on these two.

MiddleEastBeast
Jan 19, 2003

Forum Bully
The theme of this set seems to consistently be "Okay, we've costed the card appropriately. Now add {1} to the mana cost and let's go to print."

Zoness
Jul 24, 2011

Talk to the hand.
Grimey Drawer


Yo when a monk uses sleight of hand on you twice it's "sight beyond sight". Seems fair.

CountFosco
Jan 9, 2012

Welcome back to the Liturgigoon thread, friend.
The removal in this format at common seems much, much improved.

I look forward to playing with it!

mr. mephistopheles
Dec 2, 2009

Entropic posted:

It's a set with dragons in it. They're dragons! Dragons are, by their nature, mana-intensive upper-curve bombs. There are a bunch of them. No one's going to be in any doubt that it's The Dragons Set. You don't have to be able to draft a deck that is 100% about a thing for that thing to be the big theme of a set. No one seemed to care that there wasn't a draftable Angels deck in Avacyn Restored (for all the problems that limited environment had, that wasn't one of them).

I swear, some people in this thread don't actually play like playing magic, they just read everything Maro and other R&D people write and pore over it looking for contradictions. Some mothership article has an offhand comment about how they thought it would be neat if there was a cycle of uncommons that appealed to casual players who want to make a dragon deck, and suddenly people are up in arms that dragon-draft isn't looking like a top-tier limited strategy.

Seriously, the nitpicking is insane. There was a common cycle, they decided it was too much at common and made it uncommon. Somehow this makes the set bad and a design failure.

What's a legit failure is no Taigam card. That poo poo is disappointing.

Entropic posted:


Well there's a roadblock for limited bombs.

I loving love this card.

legoman727
Mar 13, 2010

by exmarx
Herald of Dromokoa has Herald of Anafenza's curved horn. I love the little references in this set.

Dohaeris
Mar 24, 2012

Often known as SniperGuy
What happens if you cast



and they are out of creatures?

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

Rinkles posted:

Control magic! ... w/ a pretty big downside




Funky


This is neat


As expected there isn't that much exploit fodder in BU, though there is some

The control magic one isn't always downside. If you can land it when they don't have any of their good creatures out, it dissuades them from casting them. Also, corner case, if your opponent has no creatures, you can enchant your own creature with it and it will hop over to grab the first thing they cast. But you were already winning at that point.

All the exploit creatures look super cool, there just doesn't seem to be much to sac to them. Better get those Sultai Emissaries and Jeskai Sages in pack 3.

BizarroAzrael
Apr 6, 2006

"That must weigh heavily on your soul. Let me purge it for you."

Kyrosiris posted:

I forget, was Virulent Plague spoiled before?



Because drat. Pretty solid middle finger at token strategies.

That seems harsh. It will only make sideboards, but it hits Elspeth and all the Hordeling decks hard.

E: and Rabblemaster! And sadly Secure the Wastea, which I otherwise like.

toadee
Aug 16, 2003

North American Turtle Boy Love Association

Dohaeris posted:

What happens if you cast



and they are out of creatures?

They reveal their deck to you and then shuffle it.

GonSmithe
Apr 25, 2010

Perhaps it's in the nature of television. Just waves in space.

Dohaeris posted:

What happens if you cast



and they are out of creatures?

"Then shuffles the rest into his or her library"

Madmarker
Jan 7, 2007

Dohaeris posted:

What happens if you cast



and they are out of creatures?

And if they have no creatures in play, the spell is countered, assuming you are casting this off the rebound

DAD LOST MY IPOD
Feb 3, 2012

Fats Dominar is on the case


holy poo poo that white instant is sweet.

Silumgar Sorceror and Living Lore both look totally awesome. I can't wait for Travis Woo to brew some stupid Living Lore deck with Treasure Cruise and Temporal Trespass (but seriously, four mana for an 8/8 that you can sac to draw three cards if it ever connects is actually kinda sweet)


This set looks awesome. I love the new Pacifism flavor text so much :unsmith:.

DAD LOST MY IPOD fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Mar 13, 2015

Barry Shitpeas
Dec 17, 2003

there is no need
to be upset

Winner POTM July 2013

legoman727 posted:

Herald of Dromokoa has Herald of Anafenza's curved horn. I love the little references in this set.

And Dromoka Captain jacked her ride (and has a very similar attack trigger)

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

Madmarker posted:

And if they have no creatures in play, the spell is countered, assuming you are casting this off the rebound

On the rebound, if there's no legal targets, the spell can't be cast and stays in Exile forever. It doesn't get countered and go to your graveyard.

Barry Shitpeas
Dec 17, 2003

there is no need
to be upset

Winner POTM July 2013

Madmarker posted:

And if they have no creatures in play, the spell is countered, assuming you are casting this off the rebound

If they have no creatures in play then you can't cast it and it stays in exile

Madmarker
Jan 7, 2007

Barry Shitpeas posted:

If they have no creatures in play then you can't cast it and it stays in exile

my bad, that is the correct interpretation.

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?
Nothing special, but I think it's neat:



The new Hero's Downfall

MiddleEastBeast
Jan 19, 2003

Forum Bully

DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:

This set looks awesome

Whoa there buddy, goon consensus has already been reached and it's that this set is awful. Please revise your opinion.

Elyv
Jun 14, 2013



Barry Shitpeas posted:

If they have no creatures in play then you can't cast it and it stays in exile

Edit: I can't read

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Lancelot
May 23, 2006

Fun Shoe


...this wording seems odd.


Edit: This seems great in limited:

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