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Therion posted:I don't know why I like Toast so much, especially since my native language is almost entirely devoid of puns. And yes I did have to look that up.
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Djeser posted:You never know who does it, unless someone accidentally puts "John Toast" as the artist instead of The F Plus. If you listen to the show through the website, the editor is credited on the page for a given episode. Haruharuharuko posted:"Nothing says I love you like spending an hour in the kitchen watching dildos boil" That's what I said, you uncreative oval office.
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Mar 13, 2015 13:15
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New episode is up. About cuddleparty.com, so nobody make fun of it, ok?
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I have mixed feelings about Portaxx. She gets a bit too outraged on certain subjects. She's even caused the most drama of the ridiculists. The Patreon episode is kinda peak bad-Portaxx. But on the other hand she's a significant organizer and art contributor for the AGDQ marathon, and has some golden moments on the podcast, such as "Dumb Girl Voice". She was my favorite for a good while. My other favorite is Acier. Just gotta take the good with the bad here, I guess. Nobody's perfect. 
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Mar 13, 2015 16:53
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god dammit, i had no idea i would open a can of worms.
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Focacciasaurus_Rex posted:I have mixed feelings about Portaxx. Yeah, I don't really like the patreon episode because a lot of her griping comes off as "poor me". Not really blatantly, but it's just kind of annoying. She does cool stuff though, people are complex.
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What's it say!!!?!?!?!!? "STOG RUB WARRIORS RULE!!!!"
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Focacciasaurus_Rex posted:I have mixed feelings about Portaxx. Speaking of podcasts and AGDQ, if you enjoy sarcastic assholes talking about garbage, you will enjoy this: http://mendrinkincoffee.com/2015/01/the-perfect-blend-agdq-2015-wrap-up-show-part-1/
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Jesus christ. If you need a special family cuddle group to hug your kids, you have problems that are probably better addressed by a clinical therapist than an unlicensed cuddle expert. 
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 "Hey, I’m Holden. I’m an eccentric man-boy in touch with his sensitive side, and I have an uncanny ability to locate and touch yours."
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Sham bam bamina! posted:
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Mar 13, 2015 18:43
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Waffleman_ posted:Holy poo poo the stinger of John Kitchin. I think I looped that part at least three times cause I was laughing so hard. Also Kumquat`s coda made me think of one of my favorite aside comments: "I'm Kumquatting through the wars and military section" Legitimately frustrated ridiculists are great, I love the honesty behind the misogynist and Patreon type episodes, the jokes are still good and the true opinions give the podcast some added oomph for me. I get wanting to skip that part when re-listening to an episode, since once you've heard it you've heard it, but disliking it more than that much is odd to me. Passion's a good thing, it's why podcasts like this get made in the first place. kalensc fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Mar 13, 2015 |
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Holy poo poo, I thought they were just being hyperbolic. This guy looks like he was made in that police composite software.
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I like this podcast because it makes me laugh and everyone of the group is cool. Also which episode was the one with the baby drug pusher?
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AstroWhale posted:Also which episode was the one with the baby drug pusher? Please Direct Complaints to This Hole in the Ground.
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Djeser posted:Absolutely appropriate that what finally breaks Montrith is cuddling. It fits Finnish stereotypes so well.
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Djeser posted:Absolutely appropriate that what finally breaks Montrith is cuddling. Hell, it broke me. Something about this creeped me out more than anything else the F Plus has covered.
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Thank you for that Pulp Fiction reference, Victor Lazlo. That was a joke for me.
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I really want a set of business cards with Cuddle Party Bouncer on them.RyokoTK posted:That's what I said, you uncreative oval office. I know I thought it was funny. Haruharuharuko fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Mar 14, 2015 |
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Wandering Knitter posted:Hell, it broke me. Something about this creeped me out more than anything else the F Plus has covered. I'm creeped out the other way. The people running the event spell out very carefully that it's not about sex, they spell out their policy of consent, but the readers keep insisting over and over it's all about non-consensual touching and sex. It creeps me out when people are so bound to their own interpretation that they'll somehow turn even the clearest indications around in their head to conform to their bias.
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Added Space posted:I'm creeped out the other way. The people running the event spell out very carefully that it's not about sex, they spell out their policy of consent, but the readers keep insisting over and over it's all about non-consensual touching and sex. It creeps me out when people are so bound to their own interpretation that they'll somehow turn even the clearest indications around in their head to conform to their bias. All that cuddle poo poo is loving weird and gross, you gross weirdo
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Added Space posted:I'm creeped out the other way. The people running the event spell out very carefully that it's not about sex, they spell out their policy of consent, but the readers keep insisting over and over it's all about non-consensual touching and sex. It creeps me out when people are so bound to their own interpretation that they'll somehow turn even the clearest indications around in their head to conform to their bias. I'll admit I cringed when Lemon said "Oh yeah, guys totally like to cuddle. They don't just see it as an in" all sarcastically like, come on, man, that was just dumb and unnecessary.
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I kinda rolled my eyes when Lemon hulked up about "cuddle hormones." Like, it's silly and not true, but you don't have to freak out about it like it's something really terrible and gross, just have a big laugh and move on. The episode just came off as real forced to me. It's people cuddling. It's really weird, sure, but that's pretty much it.
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Added Space posted:I'm creeped out the other way. The people running the event spell out very carefully that it's not about sex, they spell out their policy of consent, but the readers keep insisting over and over it's all about non-consensual touching and sex. It creeps me out when people are so bound to their own interpretation that they'll somehow turn even the clearest indications around in their head to conform to their bias.  BOUNDARIES for terminal spergs like that absolute creep that they read at the end - what the hell do you expect?And even in the ideal, completely sexless case, it's goddamn forced and creepy anyway. Human beings don't do that outside of this weird, contrived framework. Not even little kids do that, regardless of how much "inner child" bullshit these people want to believe about it. Sham bam bamina! fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Mar 14, 2015 |
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Sham bam bamina! posted:The idea is that sexual touching would be consensual (more or less, depending on whether you're supposed to be exploring your limits or not, based on which part of the FAQ you're reading at the moment), and that the obvious need for the Certified Cuddle Party Facilitators to spell everything out in triplicate shows just how certain it is. It's obviously not what's supposed to happen, and it's just as obvious that it'll happen anyway. At best, the whole thing is a crash course in the concepts of personal space and All your concerns have been addressed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp_-6Y69-8Q
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Like Lemon (IIRC) said at the end, it's not so much about sex as a complete absence of sex and desperate willingness to just settle for any kind of human contact (preferably from ladies).
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Here's my take on cuddle party, if you're wondering why I find the idea so creepy. The whole idea of cuddling is that it's something you do with a person you love, or at least have some sort of connection to. We feel comfortable in a cuddling situation because it's with someone who we trust and feel safe with. Cuddle Parties (TM) take the physical act of cuddling and separate it it from the context where it usually happens, basically going "Screw only cuddling with people you like, we're going to teach that being touchy-feely with strangers is exactly the same!". Imagine if people did this with sex. "Hey, I understand you only like to sleep with people you love. Well, I'm the Officially Certified Person who's here to teach you to tolerate being touched by everyone you meet!" Cuddle Parties are the uncanny valley of physical contact. It's not sexual, but it's intimate enough I don't want to do it with strangers and that's why the whole free-for-all attitude creeps me out. Even if I wanted to cuddle with people I don't know, it certainly wouldn't be with people who need an hour long lesson about "boundaries" before the actual act. Add to this, there's the whole cutesy, saccharine vocabulary that just frankly just brings a whole new level of unpleasantness to the whole thing. Cuddle Monster and "puppy pile" is something you play with your kids, not other adults, just like adults don't say stuff like "I'm gonna go to the toilet and do a wee-wee with my pee-pee" to other adults. You may take this as just me being So Finnish about the subject, but that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
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Loved the 'entire community based on backpedaling' and the 'this is not weird because you see I am really desperate' lines. Cuddlers seem to be in that camp OR the asexual camp, where sex is gross/traumatic/exploitative/whatever but in response to prohibition their biology is surreptitiously making toilet wine. I mean a cuddle party might have some therapeutic application but let's let your therapist make that call.
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Therion posted:By this logic the F Plus shouldn't make fun of fetishists as well since they too are weird people who don't hurt anyone (except for their own balls). Just make fun of things for what they are. If you have an episode about cock/ball torture fetishists and make a joke in the closing statement about them hating their gender, then people are going to feel weird because it's a fetish thing and not a gender identity thing and you just brought gender identity into it. (Yeah I know my first post in this thread was about this, but you mentioned ball-crushing and it's the best example I personally have.) Likewise, if you have an episode about a weird intimate but platonic and sterilized group activity that's written about like it's something you'd do at a corporate retreat, make fun of it like it's a weird thing you'd see at a corporate retreat and don't roll your eyes at how it's obviously a weird sex thing while you're reading the product description or some people are going to feel kind of weird about it. Feel free to roll your eyes at how clearly sexual those customer reviews at the end were, though. Even if it's not actually a sex thing for them, those people had some real hangups. Sham bam bamina! posted:The idea is that sexual touching would be consensual (more or less, depending on whether you're supposed to be pushing your limits or not, based on which part of the FAQ you're reading at the moment), and that the obvious need for the Certified Cuddle Party Facilitators to spell everything out in triplicate shows just how certain it is. It's obviously not what's supposed to happen, and it's just as obvious that it'll happen anyway. At best, the whole thing is a crash course in the concepts of personal space and Two things: One: Do you really need the scare quotes around boundaries? Yeah, cuddle parties are a bad place to learn about boundaries because societal pressures would lead to people doing things they aren't actually comfortable doing because what are you going to do, not cuddle at the cuddle party? If you're going to run a platonic orgy-equivalent (or just a plain old orgy, for that matter), you still need to make it painfully obvious that everyone should only do what their partner at the time wants them to do and if anyone doesn't they're going to be kicked out. If you can't do that, you have no business doing this kind of thing. Two: Sperg? Really? It's 2015, do we really have to be insulting people by saying they have an officially recognized disorder? He's still a loving creep, just call him a loving creep and don't bring autism into it.
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Lurks With Wolves posted:Do you really need the scare quotes around boundaries? Yeah, cuddle parties are a bad place to learn about boundaries because societal pressures would lead to people doing things they aren't actually comfortable doing because what are you going to do, not cuddle at the cuddle party? If you're going to run a platonic orgy-equivalent (or just a plain old orgy, for that matter), you still need to make it painfully obvious that everyone should only do what their partner at the time wants them to do and if anyone doesn't they're going to be kicked out. Lurks With Wolves posted:He's still a loving creep, just call him a loving creep and don't bring autism into it. Sham bam bamina! fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Mar 14, 2015 |
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I have no idea why some of you don't think 'we have big cuddle parties with strangers' isn't creepy and sad enough to be mocked just because they dress it up in 'no see it's teaching you to say no', you realize people are often full of poo poo right? Like, MRAs call their thing self help too. This is some weird pseudo-sexual thing that absolutely deserves to get called weird and creepy.
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Sham bam bamina! posted:Sirens aren't scare quotes, the cuddle parties are explicitly intended as a "place to learn about boundaries", and it's amazing that you can type the phrase "platonic orgy-equivalent" without realizing how amazingly terrible that idea is. No, I'm not going to cuddle at the cuddle party! I'm not going to be within a hundred miles of it! I'm not saying it's a good idea. I'm saying, if you do it and you don't care about boundaries you're a lovely person. Set up and enforce boundaries, who cares I'm not going anyway. Don't set up and enforce boundaries, congrats now your living room is full of non-consensual groping you shithead. EDIT: I'm not saying it's still not worth laughing at if they care about boundaries. People do laughable poo poo all the time. I'm just saying, at least they're not complete shitheads. quote:Why not, when autism is the number one reason for a person to not "get" boundaries in the first place? I wasn't using it as a catchall insult; I was being completely literal. It's still an insult based on autism, though. Like, gypped is rooted in anti-Roma racism. Saying "those Roma gypped me" doesn't make it not a racist term, it just means you're using it against the people it's supposed to be derogatory towards. Lurks With Wolves fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Mar 14, 2015 |
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I don't think cuddle parties are a great idea, but I felt like they were making fun of a lot of the wrong things in this episode. I've noticed that a few of the Ridiculists (Lemon in particular) jump straight to the "it's obviously a sex thing!" conclusion in cases when it's not correct, though after all the weird fetish episodes (especially the "plausible deniability" ones that're trying to trick people into indulging their fetish) it makes sense. It just becomes kind of tiresome when they're making jokes that totally miss the point. The last part with the cuddle prostitutes was spot on. If that were the entire episode, it would've been a lot better.
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