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quote:"Oh, Harry," Petunia whispered. She knelt down and hugged him hard, face to face, their cheeks resting against each other. Harry could feel her ragged breathing, and then he heard a muffled sob escape. "Oh, Harry, I do love you, always remember that." Paging Dr. Freud...
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JosephWongKS posted:This has been a pretty good, heartwarming start to the chapter. Harry’s back to being human and likable again. Isn’t this the supposedly “infamous” Chapter Seven? How bad can it get? Quoting for posterity here.
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Mar 12, 2015 06:04
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Chapter 7 – Reciprocation Part Two quote:
What does capital-C “Conscientiousness” refer to in this context? Is it some “rationalist” or transhumanist jargon? quote:
His parents have the proper measure of Harry, at least. quote:
All’s well, so I’m apparently still not at the “bad” part of this chapter. Also happy to see the Weasleys making an appearance in the story – I liked the Weasleys in the canon series.
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Mar 12, 2015 07:37
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Captain Mog posted:Yeah, it's the same way with me. If anything, reading a good fantasy novel with great world-building challenges me to come up with my own even more. I remember back in the day when the big thing were all those stories which somehow made Cloud and Sephiroth into lovers, and I thought it was pretty odd back then, too. I was under the impression that fanfiction was mainly a late 90s/00s thing but I guess it's still going strong? Heck, Dante's Inferno was basically Bible fanfic.
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Mar 12, 2015 07:46
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Heck, Dante's Inferno was basically Bible fanfic. Bible/Renaissance Italy. Don't forget most of the guys in Hell are people Dante either didn't like or who had actually wronged him IRL. And of course, Beatrice is some young girl he saw once for like a minute. Dante was goony as hell. Fantastic writer, though!
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Mar 12, 2015 07:54
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I think the capital-C Conscientiousness is simply a joke about RPG stats. Given how Yudkowsky writes, though, I would not be surprised if it turns up as a serious metaphor he expounds upon at length in his 'sequences'.
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Mar 12, 2015 10:50
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JosephWongKS posted:Chapter 7 – Reciprocation Prepare to only see Ron like 5 more times throughout the entire rest of the fanfic, and only rarely referred to by first name.
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Mar 12, 2015 15:06
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Davros1 posted:I think it's more of a case of him trying to have a comeback once the idea is dismissed. They might have to refuse permission anyway, IANAL but copyright law and how far you are obliged to defend your IP or risk losing it is apparently a tricky business. I remember reading about when JKR was still writing Harry Potter and on book tours. Apparently anything given to her by a member of the public had to be intercepted and literally thrown away without JKR physically touching it. In case they had given her something which contained an idea that might appear in a later novel. So as to avoid plagarism lawsuits.
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Mar 12, 2015 19:29
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So, Big Yud decided to give Terry Pratchett one of the creepiest tributes I've ever read:quote:A/N: Farewell, Terry Pratchett, 1948-2015. Your characters were an inspiration to me, and now I can see how much they taught me about Level 1 and Level 3 Character Intelligence: that self-awareness often manifests as humor or as genre-savviness; that an inner spark of optimization can shine just as brightly through characters who are told (but not shown) to be lowly and stupid; that intelligent characters can go along with a spark of goodness and light running through a story, rather than cynicism. I wish I could have met you, and spoken with you about your methods. You were loved by so many, and surely at least one person who would tear apart the foundations of reality to bring you back; but your brain is dead and warm now, and so your story ends. 
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Mar 13, 2015 04:04
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Chapter 7 – Reciprocation Part Two quote:
Didn’t Harry say that he liked reading D&D manuals? Then he should know that spells that affect the caster (such as Invisibility or Teleport) usually also affect the caster’s gear (i.e. the gear also turns invisible or gets teleported along with the caster). Same principle applies in this case – there’s no necessity for the luggage to “believe”. quote:
If Ron really does only appear a few more times in the rest of the series, I’m glad this is the case because he doesn’t deserve Harry’s condescension and general bullshit attitude. quote:
Ah, I see where this is going. Ron’s role in this story is to be the designated moron to make Harry look “smart”. quote:
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Mar 13, 2015 04:18
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To be fair, Ron did sort of fill the same role in the novels as well. However, Rowling had the good sense to give him redeeming qualities while she was at it, even if Ron doesn't develop much over the books. He's a foil and a pretty good one. Yud makes him into a retard, because everyone next to Potter-Evans-Self-Insert has to look stupid.
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Mar 13, 2015 04:50
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Arcsquad12 posted:To be fair, Ron did sort of fill the same role in the novels as well. However, Rowling had the good sense to give him redeeming qualities while she was at it, even if Ron doesn't develop much over the books. He's a foil and a pretty good one. Also because he hates Ron and thinks of him as 'irrelevant'.
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Mar 13, 2015 05:20
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Chapter 7 – Reciprocation Part Three quote:
Yes yes, the Quidditch scoring system is designed solely to let the Seeker (i.e. Harry) shine and is terrible for an IRL game. However, the scoring system is perfectly designed for a story centred on Harry, and that’s all that matters for the story. quote:
These sure are novel insights and suggestions that thousands of people before Eliezarry haven’t made before. quote:
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Mar 13, 2015 07:11
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Mar 13, 2015 07:23
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Oh wow, I remember this. I have a pretty high tolerance for fanfiction bullshit, and I also have a high tolerance for bad writing with an interesting concept, so I stuck with it for quite a while. I eventually realized I could be reading something lighter like War and Peace, so I never got to the end. I'm excited to see how this goes; I've already seen some ridiculous bits I'd forgotten about.
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Mar 13, 2015 07:32
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Yes, no rational sport in a real universe would ever allow for day-long games.
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Mar 13, 2015 07:54
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"The last ever timeless Test was the fifth Test between England and South Africa at Durban in 1939, which was abandoned as a draw after nine days of play spread over twelve days, otherwise the England team would have missed the boat for home."
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Mar 13, 2015 07:59
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Hahahaha, christ I forgot that he made Ron such a stereotypical 'thinks-in-a-straight-line' dullard. Unfortunately, that jarred loose a few other bits I half-remembered about this thing, and I think I remember why this is that chapter now. 
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Mar 13, 2015 08:04
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Horking Delight posted:
Chapter 7 is insane nonsense, but chapter 19 is what nearly broke my brain.
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Mar 13, 2015 08:04
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Tupperwarez posted:Hahahaha, christ I forgot that he made Ron such a stereotypical 'thinks-in-a-straight-line' dullard. Don't forget Ron is into SPORTBALL, which is a silly waste of time for stupids.
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Mar 13, 2015 08:05
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Added Space posted:So, Big Yud decided to give Terry Pratchett one of the creepiest tributes I've ever read: Well, this is a lovely way to find out Terry Pratchett died.
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Mar 13, 2015 08:26
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That Martin Luther reference sure came out of nowhere. Guess he's a genius for history as well as, er, everything else.
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Mar 13, 2015 11:42
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JosephWongKS posted:Didn’t Harry say that he liked reading D&D manuals? Then he should know that spells that affect the caster (such as Invisibility or Teleport) usually also affect the caster’s gear (i.e. the gear also turns invisible or gets teleported along with the caster). Same principle applies in this case – there’s no necessity for the luggage to “believe”. That's not how those spells work, those types of spells tend to be "caster/target plus stuff they're touching". Invisibility (in 2nd edition AD&D) just says "gear" so you might be able to argue that it should apply to an animated object owned by the target, but Teleport specifies that it only takes things along that the caster is touching, and that up to a weight limit. Of course, Harry's still showing a deplorable lack of curiosity about a spell that can apparently measure a person's level of belief in a thing, as he simply accepts that that's how the wall works and thus his luggage must have some form of belief. JosephWongKS posted:Yes yes, the Quidditch scoring system is designed solely to let the Seeker (i.e. Harry) shine and is terrible for an IRL game. However, the scoring system is perfectly designed for a story centred on Harry, and that’s all that matters for the story. Personally, things introduced into a story that only make sense if you know it's a story annoy me. It wouldn't be that hard to change the Seeker role into something that fits better with the game as a whole while still allowing Harry the spotlight.
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Mar 13, 2015 17:04
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Fenrisulfr posted:Personally, things introduced into a story that only make sense if you know it's a story annoy me. It wouldn't be that hard to change the Seeker role into something that fits better with the game as a whole while still allowing Harry the spotlight. It isn't that hard to think up additional rules that make the seeker a sensible role. Judging from the house cup, there's definitely some cumulative scoring stuff going on. If I were to try to add as few extra wrinkles as possible, I'd also say that the positioning after you score a goal is set up to be super-favorable to the team that just scored, encouraging long streaks of goals by one team or another. If relatively-even teams can result in getting a dozen goals in a row, then the point values make sense.
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Mar 13, 2015 17:16
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Could also be that when Quidditch is played on a professional level rather than by highschoolers 150 points mean nothing, like when during the championship Krum caught the snitch but his team still lost. Can't be too hard on this guy dissing Ron though, he is kind of useless in the original too.
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Mar 13, 2015 17:43
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Avalerion posted:Could also be that when Quidditch is played on a professional level rather than by highschoolers 150 points mean nothing, like when during the championship Krum caught the snitch but his team still lost. Professional Quidditch matches regularly last days, or so we're constantly reminded, so yeah I would imagine that the Snitch becomes much less important.
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Mar 13, 2015 17:50
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Fenrisulfr posted:That's not how those spells work, those types of spells tend to be "caster/target plus stuff they're touching". Invisibility (in 2nd edition AD&D) just says "gear" so you might be able to argue that it should apply to an animated object owned by the target, but Teleport specifies that it only takes things along that the caster is touching, and that up to a weight limit. Of course, Harry's still showing a deplorable lack of curiosity about a spell that can apparently measure a person's level of belief in a thing, as he simply accepts that that's how the wall works and thus his luggage must have some form of belief. He's also missing another possibility: belief is not required by the spell directly, but it is necessary to avoid flinching or stopping short.
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Mar 13, 2015 20:00
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Every time people say Quidditch is stupid I'd like to remind them that American Football, Rugby and Cricket exist, the rules of which are all endlessly more convoluted (I will admit that the snitch is pretty egregious though).
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Mar 13, 2015 20:24
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SSNeoman posted:Every time people say Quidditch is stupid I'd like to remind them that American Football, Rugby and Cricket exist, the rules of which are all endlessly more convoluted (I will admit that the snitch is pretty egregious though). I don't think anyone's problem with Quidditch is that the rules are too convoluted. The problem is that they're too simple; every game that Rowling actually details amounts to snitch=win. I'd rather play/watch a game with interesting rules (regardless of convolution) than one where only one piece ultimately matters.
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Mar 13, 2015 22:52
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What bugs me on this isn't that Yud is wrong - it's that it's such low-hanging fruit. Quidditch blatantly exists just so there's a sports hook in the books, and that's cool. The original star wars had lightsaber fights so that there's a fight scene. And that's ok. Pointing out the Snitch flaw is like mentioning that Vader and Luke are pretty crap with swords - it's (deliberately) missing the point, just to score an easy 'victory'.
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Mar 14, 2015 01:03
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Overcoming Bias is big in the college crowd, or at least it was in my school
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Mar 14, 2015 03:28
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Tequila Bob posted:I don't think anyone's problem with Quidditch is that the rules are too convoluted. The problem is that they're too simple; every game that Rowling actually details amounts to snitch=win. I'd rather play/watch a game with interesting rules (regardless of convolution) than one where only one piece ultimately matters. I think one of the games goes against the team that got the snitch, at the big fancy quidditch tournament.
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Mar 14, 2015 03:37
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su3su2u1 posted:I think one of the games goes against the team that got the snitch, at the big fancy quidditch tournament. Yeah, at the aforementioned Quidditch World Cup. Bulgaria's getting destroyed by the Irish, so Krum grabs the snitch to end the game to avoid further embarrassment.
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Mar 14, 2015 13:37
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su3su2u1 posted:I think one of the games goes against the team that got the snitch, at the big fancy quidditch tournament.
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Mar 14, 2015 13:45
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Hey, so apparently I've been invited to some nerd dungeon (well it is literally underground, and it is a games store) where people are celebrating the conclusion of this story. I've...never been to anything like this before. I mean I've read far too much of HPMOR, and I can see why the ending of it will be a cause of celebration [edit: I haven't actually read the last 3 chapters, and I can't be bothered, so please spoil me]. Maybe Yudkowsky will actually have time to put his money where his mouth is now and actually build an AI that outdoes the Roomba (a device he disparages, but which does far more than he does to advance the cause of artificial intelligence, thanks partially to cats and Youtube). And maybe he'll finally get therapy? I hope he gets therapy. Anyway I'm bored as hell right now and it's one of my oldest friends has invited me (and it's the same friend who introduced me to Worm, a story that is so infinitely better that I will always forgive him anything), so I'm gonna go. I'm guessing that if I wanted to fit in I'd have to buy a fedora and somehow grow the beard on my neck out in a mere 18 hours. I guess I could always pretend to get mixed up and pretend I was a fan of Natural 20 instead. Oddly I think that would be less nerdy. Any ideas? Edit: sorry, mixed up hyperlinks And as I said, could someone please spoil the past 3-4 chapters so I can pretend I'm up to date when I talk with some strangers tomorrow night and so I don't have to read them myself? IronClaymore fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Mar 14, 2015 |
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IronClaymore posted:Hey, so apparently I've been invited to some nerd dungeon (well it is literally underground, and it is a games store) where people are celebrating the conclusion of this story. I've...never been to anything like this before. I mean I've read far too much of HPMOR, and I can see why the ending of it will be a cause of celebration [edit: I haven't actually read the last 3 chapters, and I can't be bothered, so please spoil me]. Maybe Yudkowsky will actually have time to put his money where his mouth is now and actually build an AI that outdoes the Roomba (a device he disparages, but which does far more than he does to advance the cause of artificial intelligence, thanks partially to cats and Youtube). And maybe he'll finally get therapy? I hope he gets therapy. Spoilers: Harry is a memory clone of Tom Riddle, who was posing as Dark Arts professor Quirrell. He tricks Harry in a stupid way to go into the third floor corridor, which Dumbledore set up as a harmless obstacle course so Voldy wouldn't just pave it in student corpses to get through. He drops the inane backstory (he's tricked everyone and is so much smarter and better then everyone, haha). The mirror is now an AI that Merlin created, Voldy tricks it, but Dumbledore was waiting for him. Voldy uses the Invisibility Cloak to duck a mirror trap, Dumby gets Lost In Time. Voldy drags Harry through the chamber of secrets into a graveyard, where he summons the Death Eaters to surround Harry. Voldy ressurects Hermy with a new super-body, makes Harry take an Unbreakable Vow to save the world, then tries to kill him. Harry kills him and all the Death Eaters with his bullshit powers he developed in the story, then stages the scene so Quirrel will take the credit. McG takes over as Headmistress, resolves to listen to Harry's bullshit more often. Quirrel has a hero's funeral, Harry can't shut his drat yap because OF COURSE Harry's commentary is more important. Dumbledore leaves a pair of letters explaining that he listened to EVERY PROPHECY EVER and decided that Harry was the least bad option among them. All the random inexplicable crap from the first few chapters was Dumby's doing Because Prophecy. Dumby gives Harry all his swag, including Randian Democracy-Is-Stupid Supreme Wizard Guy post. Harry admits he's been a vindictive idiot and gives it over to Bones (with him having a back door to reclaim it, of course). Harry announces that the Stone will be used to give transhumanist bodies to everyone (except muggles, because SCIENCE IS DANGEROUS). Harry spills the plot to Draco, acknowledged that Harry has ruined his life in a ridiculously complete way (including killing his father because it would be politically convenient), but he still totes wants to be best buds. Draco tells him to ram it, so Harry mind wipes him. Plus side, Draco's mom was being held prisoner and they're reunited - by mom calling Draco by her murdered husband's name. Ackward... Snape, tired of being bottom bitch at Hogwarts, throws up the deuces and gets the gently caress out.
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Added Space posted:Spoilers: Harry is a memory clone of Tom Riddle, who was posing as Dark Arts professor Quirrell. He tricks Harry in a stupid way to go into the third floor corridor, which Dumbledore set up as a harmless obstacle course so Voldy wouldn't just pave it in student corpses to get through. He drops the inane backstory (he's tricked everyone and is so much smarter and better then everyone, haha). The mirror is now an AI that Merlin created, Voldy tricks it, but Dumbledore was waiting for him. Voldy uses the Invisibility Cloak to duck a mirror trap, Dumby gets Lost In Time. Spoilers don't really count for the fact that time travel might have been (or might have have been) involved in all that. Because I know I'm going to read it in full, but when I do I shall endeavour to be so drunk I do not remember a word. So according to the laws of time it never happened or something...and that made way more sense in my head than it does on the internet. Anyway, thank you. Now I don't have to actually read it. I will eventually though.
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The final HPMOR chapter is out (except for an epilogue Yud claims he will write in one year's time so that other people can write fanfics in his universe). I liked HPMOR as a guilty pleasure to scratch the HP itch, but the ending is disappointing in the same way LOST's ending is: it provides some closure for the characters but leaves all the overarching mysteries unanswered. Also Harry quotes Yud's other work in the chapter. It's as awkward and conceited as it sounds.
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In It For The Tank posted:The final HPMOR chapter is out (except for an epilogue Yud claims he will write in one year's time so that other people can write fanfics in his universe). I liked HPMOR as a guilty pleasure to scratch the HP itch, but the ending is disappointing in the same way LOST's ending is: it provides some closure for the characters but leaves all the overarching mysteries unanswered. Hariezer has quoted Yudkowsky's other work throughout the entire fanfic. It's almost as if he is a total self-insert character.
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IronClaymore posted:Maybe Yudkowsky will actually have time to put his money where his mouth is now and actually build an AI that outdoes the Roomba (a device he disparages, but which does far more than he does to advance the cause of artificial intelligence, thanks partially to cats and Youtube). And maybe he'll finally get therapy? I hope he gets therapy. You may be sardonic when you say this, but this is probably the route that humanity will take when it comes to making AI. Giving a computer human-like intelligence and extreme decision-making skills is not only currently impossible, it's also pointless. People would much rather make a computer do one job, but do it extremely well, rather than have one computer which will do everything. Why would I want my box-lifting robot to be able to debate me in philosophy? I just want it to lift boxes and to not hurt anyone when doing so. Unfortunately, this approach means that Yudkowsky's "research" would be rendered moot, so he hates this idea.
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