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K. Waste posted:Yeah, but, in defense of Puritanical obscenity-police, who I don't agree with implicitly, the Jackass guys are well-meaning comrades who, as far as I know, have never treated one of their members to this for refusing to do a stunt: Well, that's terrible.
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K. Waste posted:Yeah, but, in defense of Puritanical obscenity-police, who I don't agree with implicitly, the Jackass guys are well-meaning comrades who, as far as I know, have never treated one of their members to this for refusing to do a stunt: Yeah before anyone gets the wrong idea I find all that poo poo in the descriptions to be utterly vile and I'm not at all defending scumbags who mistreat and exploit women who make porn. It's just weird to me that one thing is on prime time television and the other thing is considered obscene. Granted in this case I do find said thing obscene, but because of the treatment of the people involved and not because of the act itself. I really don't get the whole "donkey punching" thing though. Straight porn is so gross and rapey. CPL593H fucked around with this message at 05:53 on Mar 14, 2015 |
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CPL593H posted:I really don't get the whole "donkey punching" thing though. Straight porn is so gross and rapey. Haha, not like gay porn right?
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Anonymous Robot posted:Haha, not like gay porn right? Oh I'm not saying there isn't creepy terrible gay porn but it's not the more pervasive mainstream stuff. Largely when you see gay porn half the video is kissing and foreplay and the participants seem to enjoy it. With straight porn the man in the scene is usually a prop and the woman is treated like an abuse rag. I find it weird.
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CPL593H posted:Oh I'm not saying there isn't creepy terrible gay porn but it's not the more pervasive mainstream stuff. Largely when you see gay porn half the video is kissing and foreplay and the participants seem to enjoy it. With straight porn the man in the scene is usually a prop and the woman is treated like an abuse rag. I find it weird. How much straight porn do you watch, though?
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CPL593H posted:I hate to admit it, but he's kind of got a point about Jackass. But actually yes, the description of that bukkake video is absolutely obscene in the worst way. Not really, the two are categorically different. This is like saying that we get the same thrill from watching Buster Keaton hurt himself than we do from watching a rape play out. Maybe there are some people who do but not enough to make that not a ridiculous thing to say.
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I think with the Jackass thing there really is a big difference in how they are presented. Jackass is pretty much always just a bunch of idiots laughing their asses off while they hurt themselves. They rarely really do something awful without making it fully clear that the person doing it is doing it completely of their own free will. Usually when it's not something where the participants are willing, it's something much more minor (like a prank that just depends on their reaction or throwing fake snakes on someone). The point of those porns on the other hand seem to just be to show a woman in as much misery as possible. I don't think the women in those films ever at any point look like they're having a very good time. Hell, they don't want them to look like they're having a good time. The whole set up needs to look as weird and rapey as possible. Also the fact that one is meant to be laughed at while the other is meant to be masturbated to also does in fact change things quite a bit.
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CPL593H posted:Yeah before anyone gets the wrong idea I find all that poo poo in the descriptions to be utterly vile and I'm not at all defending scumbags who mistreat and exploit women who make porn. It's just weird to me that one thing is on prime time television and the other thing is considered obscene. Granted in this case I do find said thing obscene, but because of the treatment of the people involved and not because of the act itself. That's the thing, isn't it? There's this catch-22 to criticisms of the 'double standards' that exist in society with regards to censorship and so-called obscenity that obscures the more pertinent ethical dilemma that it's not even what people do or depict in particular, but the manner in which they treat other human beings fundamentally. I don't believe for a second that Donkey Punch contributed to any misogyny that wasn't already just as repulsive before it existed, but the comparison between it and Jackass makes it apparent that the double standard exists for perfectly rational reasons. Again, I'm always implicitly on the side of the pornographer rather than the censor because, despite what Swagger Dagger says, people really do sign up to get beat the gently caress up, and "just repress it" isn't a helpful and is perhaps a more dangerous option. That being said, even loving kink.com features, like, bookend interviews with their performers about their scenes. I don't care if these interviews are also staged, because the fact that they even exists points to how the presence of explicit consent and humanization matters to the creators and, by proxy, to their audience. JM Entertainment doesn't have that defense. They don't actually give a poo poo about the unsafe conditions their performers put themselves in because they're only interested in money. At that point they just become capitalist pigs, and it's perfectly okay to kink-shame them like the perverted swine they are.
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CPL593H posted:Oh I'm not saying there isn't creepy terrible gay porn but it's not the more pervasive mainstream stuff. Largely when you see gay porn half the video is kissing and foreplay and the participants sseem to enjoy it. With straight porn the man in the scene is usually a prop and the woman is treated like an abuse rag. I find it weird. I mean a lot of the time sure it's like that but it seems to be trending away from that kind of stuff the last few years. Don't get me wrong, there's still a lot of gross poo poo, but there's less lately as far as I can tell.
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Precambrian posted:How much straight porn do you watch, though? I attempted to watch it a few times and it was terrible. Also, I've had this discussion with both straight and bisexual people and they agreed with me, so I have to assume this isn't just because of that couple of times I saw it. Plus it's pretty easy to know about straight porn because culturally it's loving everywhere and is always talked about.
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K. Waste posted:That's the thing, isn't it? There's this catch-22 to criticisms of the 'double standards' that exist in society with regards to censorship and so-called obscenity that obscures the more pertinent ethical dilemma that it's not even what people do or depict in particular, but the manner in which they treat other human beings fundamentally. I don't believe for a second that Donkey Punch contributed to any misogyny that wasn't already just as repulsive before it existed, but the comparison between it and Jackass makes it apparent that the double standard exists for perfectly rational reasons. Please never stop posting and send a continuous feed of your words to my house
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Hbomberguy posted:DID SOMEONE SAY SKELETONS?! Before I click this: is this you making fun of them or is this just one of their videos?
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:I mean a lot of the time sure it's like that but it seems to be trending away from that kind of stuff the last few years. Don't get me wrong, there's still a lot of gross poo poo, but there's less lately as far as I can tell. Good.
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Hbomberguy posted:LISTEN TO THE FIRST THREE SECONDS Listen, I just don't need to give these people any unnecessary views on their videos. Is that so wrong?
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axleblaze posted:Before I click this: is this you making fun of them or is this just one of their videos? It's the first one
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K. Waste posted:Again, I'm always implicitly on the side of the pornographer rather than the censor because, despite what Swagger Dagger says, people really do sign up to get beat the gently caress up, and "just repress it" isn't a helpful and is perhaps a more dangerous option. That being said, even loving kink.com features, like, bookend interviews with their performers about their scenes. I don't care if these interviews are also staged, because the fact that they even exists points to how the presence of explicit consent and humanization matters to the creators and, by proxy, to their audience. JM Entertainment doesn't have that defense. They don't actually give a poo poo about the unsafe conditions their performers put themselves in because they're only interested in money. At that point they just become capitalist pigs, and it's perfectly okay to kink-shame them like the perverted swine they are. I didn't really make a nuanced post, but I would argue that what kink.com does and what JM Entertainment does are completely different, and that's more what I meant when I said that people don't really sign on for the kind of poo poo Donkey Punch ended up being, but I do do agree with you.
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Hbomberguy posted:DID SOMEONE SAY SKELETONS?! I got so excited when I heard you say "15,000 dollars" at the beginning of this.
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I am personally saddened by the loss of the skull. Somebody make a hashtag to commemorate it.
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Swagger Dagger posted:I didn't really make a nuanced post, but I would argue that what kink.com does and what JM Entertainment does are completely different, and that's more what I meant when I said that people don't really sign on for the kind of poo poo Donkey Punch ended up being, but I do do agree with you. Oh, yeah, totally. I hope you don't get the impression that I was implying you think all, like, kink is bad or something. Didn't mean to come off that way. But, yeah, the brilliance of this discussion is that we've now come full circle to another point: kink.com and Jackass are overtly similar, not even because of their superficial content, but because of the basic notions within them that even people degrading themselves can be conceived of and portrayed as admirable. They're 'taking it for the team,' as it were. The reason JM Entertainment loving blows is because it's not about solidarity of the perverted. It's about privilege, where all perverts are equal but some are more equal than others. Hbomberguy posted:Please never stop posting and send a continuous feed of your words to my house New vid is great.
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Hbomberguy posted:DID SOMEONE SAY SKELETONS?! Looking forward to what you do with a pile of skulls.
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Hbomberguy posted:DID SOMEONE SAY SKELETONS?! This is good. I pressed the positive thumb symbol.
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Hbomberguy posted:DID SOMEONE SAY SKELETONS?! 
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Swagger Dagger posted:Nobody signs up to actually have the poo poo beaten out of them, dude. Maybe I'm missing something, but wasn't the porn in question titled after a sexual thing where you beat the poo poo out of the woman? Maybe I'm missing a beat (pun not intended) where the folks lied to the women about what it was about, or they didn't think it really meant that, or something... This is really  , but I've always been fascinated about the behind the scenes of porn, because even the most vanilla of it screams 'Getting involved with this is a Bad Decision now and in perpetuity for you', and I wish I understood the mindset of willingly getting into it.
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Flawless victory.
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MisterBibs posted:This is really There was actually a recent Grantland piece on this, and even if you assume that the front-facing relatively glamorous veneer an industry shows to journalists hides a persistent seedy underbelly, the general climate seems to have changed from, say, what was going on in the 1990s.
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MisterBibs posted:Maybe I'm missing something, but wasn't the porn in question titled after a sexual thing where you beat the poo poo out of the woman? Maybe I'm missing a beat (pun not intended) where the folks lied to the women about what it was about, or they didn't think it really meant that, or something... I'm generalizing here because I'm not actually involved in any of this but for the more reputable bondage/S&M sort of porn film studios, everything that's going to happen is discussed before-hand and if any of the performers are uncomfortable, ever, the scene stops. That's what I mean when I say they're not signing on to get beaten up; there's a difference between being slapped after you've talked about it and some dude punching you in the head even after you've asked them to do it differently so they aren't actually doing damage. Like yeah, sure, I imagine if you sign on to "Donkey Punch" you understand that it's going to be physical, but it's like with any action movie where there's violence and then there's violence. I guess what I was really responding to is that your post made it sound like you weren't actually thinking of the women involved as people, and not really understanding that there are boundaries even in kinky poo poo, that it's not like you show up at a set and it's "well, you showed up, we can do whatever we want to you."
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Also when I first skimmed the last page or two I thought people were talking about the 2009 slasher film of the same name that's based around the act
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:There was actually a recent Grantland piece on this, and even if you assume that the front-facing relatively glamorous veneer an industry shows to journalists hides a persistent seedy underbelly, the general climate seems to have changed from, say, what was going on in the 1990s. This is legit interesting, thanks for linking it. Swagger Dagger posted:I'm generalizing here because I'm not actually involved in any of this but for the more reputable bondage/S&M sort of porn film studios, everything that's going to happen is discussed before-hand and if any of the performers are uncomfortable, ever, the scene stops. That's what I mean when I say they're not signing on to get beaten up; there's a difference between being slapped after you've talked about it and some dude punching you in the head even after you've asked them to do it differently so they aren't actually doing damage. This is what I've heard as well, in any porn. Some blog about a dude in porn I used to read said that everything is planned out, nothing is changed from that plan. If suddenly someone wants to do a different act, everyone has to run it by everyone else. Swagger Dagger posted:I guess what I was really responding to is that your post made it sound like you weren't actually thinking of the women involved as people, and not really understanding that there are boundaries even in kinky poo poo, that it's not like you show up at a set and it's "well, you showed up, we can do whatever we want to you." Oh I didn't mean to imply anything of the sort. I know there's boundaries and rules governing everything; I just can't wrap my head around being surprised that an explicitly violent sex act winds up being violent. Like, you have to figure the Likelihood Bad poo poo Will Randomly Go Down is higher on Donkey Punch than Girl's Experimental Sleepover 5: The Snuggling, and judge your willingness to enter into it in the first place. It's hard to put into words and I'm failing at it. 
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loving hell, Die Antwoord is a blast live. I feel like I've done a complete 180 on them in the past week haha. I went from hating them and not really understanding their appeal to anyone to then seeing them in/loving them in Chappie and then seeing them live and having a riot of a time.
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Hbomberguy posted:DID SOMEONE SAY SKELETONS?! I think I love you. You too. MisterBibs posted:It always blows my mind that porn stars (to varying degrees of 'star') sign up for poo poo like that, and act surprised when the violent crap they signed up for is violent/painful/whatever. You, I don't think I like you at all.
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:loving hell, Die Antwoord is a blast live. I feel like I've done a complete 180 on them in the past week haha. I went from hating them and not really understanding their appeal to anyone to then seeing them in/loving them in Chappie and then seeing them live and having a riot of a time. They seem like they'd be fun as hell. Did I miss them coming to Texas? e: Ten$ion opens loving strong. I've been listening to it on shuffle so I never realized 4 of the best songs on the album were in the first 5 tracks. 
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LORD OF BUTT posted:They seem like they'd be fun as hell. Did I miss them coming to Texas?
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:loving hell, Die Antwoord is a blast live. I feel like I've done a complete 180 on them in the past week haha. I went from hating them and not really understanding their appeal to anyone to then seeing them in/loving them in Chappie and then seeing them live and having a riot of a time. They look like they are just a blast to see live, they go all the hell out in every video I've seen. Also I liked Chappie, as well. Hbomberguy posted:DID SOMEONE SAY SKELETONS?! hbomberguy I want to send you a personal thanks, I have been busy with schoolings the last few weeks and completely missed the entire Owen/Aurini rift, I might have not learned of it altogether if not for your swift and devastating archiving skills.
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Harime Nui posted:They look like they are just a blast to see live, they go all the hell out in every video I've seen. Also I liked Chappie, as well.  But it was rad every single time he did it. And Yolandi had this solo rap part at one point that was sick.Also they each changed costumes multiple times during the set. I'm wondering if they just bring one of those rolling clothes racks with them and leave it on the side of the stage and just change real quick offstage and then jump right back on in new clothes.
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