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Anatharon posted:I wonder what he'd have said to the other Fans and Henchman, who he never interacts with at all. The henchman has a dream about him when he gets home with his bag of money. Richard basically says the same thing he says to everyone else: "You're going down a bad path that leads to a dead end, are you sure this is what you want?" and the henchman doesn't really pay attention to what he's saying.
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Anatharon posted:I wonder what he'd have said to the other Fans and Henchman, who he never interacts with at all. He does at least chat with the Henchman in his dream before Mary jacks all his cash, though for both the Henchman and Mark his talk amounts to saying "you're gonna die with a quickness, bro."
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Oxxidation posted:Evan I like how Evan's fate is left up to the player. He's the most decent person in the cast and he can decide to heed Richard and put the book aside for now.  CJacobs posted:The henchman has a dream about him when he gets home with his bag of money. Richard basically says the same thing he says to everyone else: "You're going down a bad path that leads to a dead end, are you sure this is what you want?" and the henchman doesn't really pay attention to what he's saying. Oh, you're right. I completely forgot about that scene.  I just thought more about the newgame+ scene. The thing that bothered me about that dream is the bag of money carlessly spilling into the wind. 
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Mar 14, 2015 07:06
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You guys were confusing me with calling the writer by his actual name. I thought I managed to miss even more than I thought. 
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JoshVanValkenburg posted:The Crazed Colonel in Hawaii? If it is a spooky possession thing, that could be it. That's what I assumed.
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Wilhelm_Scream.wav posted:So I was a pussy and looked up the ending. oh hell I saw that but didn't get the implication richard: no, richter. I am your father richter: what the gently caress dad
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Now that I think about it what WAS the point of 50 Blessings targeting the mob?
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richard says that "leaving this world is not as scary as it seems." he's already done it. richard is richter's dead dad now let's figure out any significance behind the stuff in his locked room in richter's house
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Anatharon posted:Now that I think about it what WAS the point of 50 Blessings targeting the mob? Anti-Russia race war, basically and probably to provoke some sort of Russian mob response against Americans. The 50 Blessings leaders seem completely insane, thinking they're fighting against some Russo-American coalition when the world is actually in a state of cold war/diplomatic tensions. Milkfred E. Moore fucked around with this message at 07:34 on Mar 14, 2015 |
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Milky Moor posted:Anti-Russia race war, basically. The 50 Blessings leaders seem completely insane, thinking they're fighting against some Russo-American coalition when the world is actually in a state of cold war/diplomatic tensions. Well Biker acknowledges the Russo-America coalition. But he also questions how not-Dennis Wedin and Not-cactus expect to defeat them by killing mobsters. I'd wondered if there was supposed to be some thing where the mob was the secret police of the Russians or something which made me wonder why they'd nuke the USA if they basically controlled it, despite a coup. I guess concern that the coupSA would nuke them first. I do like how Not-Dennis Wedin and Not-cactus nuke Miami as a jab at the idea of people wanting them to make another sequel though.
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Anatharon posted:Now that I think about it what WAS the point of 50 Blessings targeting the mob? Small stones for the avalanche, mostly. By creating big, public massacres of the Russian mafia, 50 Blessings was able to avoid any large-scale legal investigation of its own actions (because the phone calls weren't easy to trace and without them in the picture the killings just looked like a bunch of stray nutjobs murdering criminals) and greatly increase tensions between Russians and Americans on the continent. The newspaper articles mention that, in addition to copycat killers like the Fans popping up in places other than just Miami, the anti-Russian sentiment in the wake of the San Francisco bombings and the Hotline Massacres is approaching riot status. The Hotline killings were a big, flashy, legally questionable act meant to create a self-perpetuating frenzy of violence that would peak with the mutual destruction of everyone involved. Before I mentioned that HM2's plot reminded me a lot of a (sorta bad) novel called Three Hundred Million. In that book, at one point a totally loving bonkers serial killer is being interrogated by a cop. This conversation goes something like: Cop: Why did you kill all those people? Killer: To murder the world. Cop: How are you going to do that? Killer: By killing everyone in America. Cop: And how will that kill everyone in the world? Killer: We're opening a hole. When the hole is opened, all the rest will fall in. The Hotline killings follow a similar principle. It's also why the game is subtitled "Wrong Number" - the 50 Blessings hotline has been disconnected, but the memetic violence it spread is now doing the organization's job for them. Oxxidation fucked around with this message at 07:37 on Mar 14, 2015 |
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Hotline Miami 2's underlying plot basically boils down to "what if memetic violence actually existed".
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Milky Moor posted:Anti-Russia race war, basically and probably to provoke some sort of Russian mob response against Americans. The 50 Blessings leaders seem completely insane, thinking they're fighting against some Russo-American coalition when the world is actually in a state of cold war/diplomatic tensions. Why nukes didn't fly when Russia literally landed on US soil is beyond me. The story is nonsensical unless the US has completely collapsed of its own will after WWII or something.
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Grapplejack posted:Why nukes didn't fly when Russia literally landed on US soil is beyond me. The story is nonsensical unless the US has completely collapsed of its own will after WWII or something. Who says Hawaii is a state?
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atomicthumbs posted:Who says Hawaii is a state? It was a territory since the 1890s.
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So hey, to people who have been speculating on whether the photo Jacket throws away at the end of Hotline 1 is the same one taken of he and beard guy during the events of this game:  Yep, same picture. Of course, it's only like 6 pixels so it may not be an intentional callback, but it is the same sprite.
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Not a spoiler since it's in the first game- the Russian mob and the Russian government have substantial overlapping ties. In Clean Hit, one of the HM1 missions, Jacket actually kills three visiting Russian politicians.
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I feel like the internet has damaged our ability to analyze things sometimes, of course it's the same photograph, what would the point be otherwise. You don't have to speculate and zoom in on six pixels! It's not "an intentional callback", it's the whole point of the scene(s)!
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Geight posted:I feel like the internet has damaged our ability to analyze things sometimes, of course it's the same photograph, what would the point be otherwise. You don't have to speculate and zoom in on six pixels! It's not "an intentional callback", it's the whole point of the scene(s)! But now there is proof. Photographic evidence, some might say.
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CJacobs posted:But now there is proof. Photographic evidence, some might say. Boooooo! I've finally gotten the hang of Assault in HLM1 long enough to get an A+, so now I've got two more to go.
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CJacobs posted:Hotline Miami 2's underlying plot basically boils down to "what if memetic violence actually existed". Also that if it did exist, it's a foolproof method of getting exactly what you want. I mean 50 Blessings basically wins in the end, so I guess that game really IS promoting violence. Violence works out pretty well for everyone! The Henchman was well off until he tried to get out of the game, Jake helped participate in Russia's downfall, The Son got his empire back, etc. Cuntellectual fucked around with this message at 09:11 on Mar 14, 2015 |
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Hell, that's not even the worst part of that screen. Once you get past the firing squad you then have to kill the few rushing melee men, stay in one of the little stairwell nooks, then very carefully lure one of the couple shotgun wielders nearby without his big black buddy coming with, so you can then actually handle said black dudes, then you gotta take care of the firing squad remembering that they can turn and shoot you, take out the upper stairwell duo which consists of another shotgun man with a fat black guy, then kill two guys guarding the next stairwells with automatic guns. I enjoy hard mode 
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Are any details about the current state of the level editor out? Last time it was shown off there was dumb limits like each character could only fight certain factions so you couldn't have the Soldier fight cops. I mean he can even fight Russian soldiers for the second part!
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Just finished the game. I wasn't really impressed at first but after I realized what was happening at the end I thought they did pretty a good job with it. I did enjoy the increased difficulty but I felt like I spent a lot of time cheesing bottleneck door kills without as many moments where you can just run n' gun through and improvise without really memorizing the layouts like in the original. I feel like Wrong Number punished me more often for bursting into rooms like a proper maniac but there were still some good moments where you just get rushed by free combo situations so I can't really complain. I look forward to the weird things people will come up with in the level editor.Geight posted:I feel like the internet has damaged our ability to analyze things sometimes, of course it's the same photograph, what would the point be otherwise. You don't have to speculate and zoom in on six pixels! It's not "an intentional callback", it's the whole point of the scene(s)! I wonder how much of the sequel/story was planned when they made the first game. If the developers were mostly filling in the blanks between the vague but entertaining moments I'd still be impressed. A lot of things about the main character of the first game become interesting to look back on once you have a better idea of his background. Even really simple, straightforward moments like when he vomits after what I had assumed was his first kill make me want to go back and replay the original.
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Grapplejack posted:Why nukes didn't fly when Russia literally landed on US soil is beyond me. The story is nonsensical unless the US has completely collapsed of its own will after WWII or something. Forget that, how does the world still exist after San Franciso was bombed? One thing that confuses me now is why Richter was sent to kill Jacket, who never seemed conflicted about any of his orders. Maybe they were watching him and thought the hooker could expose them? That's the only reason I can think of. Honestly, until this game I thought Richter was working for the mafia. Also, I got an S on the Abyss! Which is surprising because I was just trying to beat it, not get a high rating.
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I can't loving wait for the level editor so I can make levels based entirely around Alex & Ash, Tony, and Jake with the Dallas mask. I just could not stop cracking up, Dallas is seriously the best mask in the game
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Execution's one of my favorite levels, so I recorded a S rank of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE2rjdnH2gg
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Unique little thing about the Detective: Someone pointed out earlier that he can turn around faster than other characters and even has an animation for it if you swing him around fast enough, but I've discovered that he can actually finish off downed enemies if he's holding a shotgun (Via a blow to the head, no ammo expended) and will maintain posession of it afterwards.
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If you're playing as the Detective and you don't have a shotgun in your hands you're playing him wrong. Especially because his quick turn animation is really loving cool.
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MONKET posted:I just could not stop cracking up, Dallas is seriously the best mask in the game Right-clicking with the Dallas mask is the best. It might just be me, but I think you go faster like that too.
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Dallas is like an earthquake, wrapped in a hurricane, nestled in a box of tsunamis, man. You don't even know, man. He's trained in super secret martial arts, man. He had to live underwater for a year to learn that poo poo.
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Anyone know if the soundtrack will be made available on Bandcamp? Or maybe it's already there, checked a couple days ago and couldn't find anything.
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midnightclimax posted:Anyone know if the soundtrack will be made available on Bandcamp? Or maybe it's already there, checked a couple days ago and couldn't find anything. The soundtrack is available on Steam. You can find it on the DLC page. Ledgy posted:If you're playing as the Detective and you don't have a shotgun in your hands you're playing him wrong. Especially because his quick turn animation is really loving cool. I think everyone can do this, I just did it as the mob boss. e; wrong quoted person, but you get the meaning
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Thief posted:I wonder how much of the sequel/story was planned when they made the first game. Most of it, I think. HM2 was probably in development before HM1 was released. There's detailed previews of it dating back to Spring 2013. Also, to people wondering why nukes didn't start flying after Hawaii was invaded, it kind of makes sense to me. The Cold War hinged on Mutually Assured Destruction, but as a concept it was never put to the test (well uh... it hasn't yet...). I always wondered whether the people in charge would actually go through with, y'know, the whole Apocalypse thing, or if they would try and avoid it by any means necessary (for example by giving up Hawaii.)
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