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# ? Mar 14, 2015 19:55

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# ? May 13, 2024 00:20

PokeJoe: Aug 24, 2004; hail cgatan

im taking a data structures class on the internet. p. much all my working programmer friends said that's as far into their cs degree as they ever use at work.

# ? Mar 14, 2015 21:52

brap: Aug 23, 2004; Grimey Drawer

no you don't get it if it's not Java or c# it isn't really programming

# ? Mar 14, 2015 21:59

Space Whale: Nov 6, 2014

PokeJoe posted:

im taking a data structures class on the internet. p. much all my working programmer friends said that's as far into their cs degree as they ever use at work.

aren't DFAs and NDFAs sometimes used 1% of the time lol

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# ? Mar 14, 2015 22:30

Joe Law: Jun 30, 2008

my school teaches java and then c, with some x86 in comp arc classes, which I actually think is a pretty good way to do ti

my only complaint is we have an upper level class that is basically just "memorize the POSIX api" which is an awful class everyone hates but is taught by an awesome professor who drops sex jokes all the time so its chill

# ? Mar 14, 2015 22:51

karms: Jan 22, 2006; by Nyc_Tattoo; Yam Slacker

PokeJoe posted:

im taking a data structures class on the internet. p. much all my working programmer friends said that's as far into their cs degree as they ever use at work.

which one

# ? Mar 14, 2015 23:13

Malcolm XML: Aug 8, 2009; I always knew it would end like ｔｈｉｓ．

Joe Law posted:

my school teaches java and then c, with some x86 in comp arc classes, which I actually think is a pretty good way to do ti

my only complaint is we have an upper level class that is basically just "memorize the POSIX api" which is an awful class everyone hates but is taught by an awesome professor who drops sex jokes all the time so its chill

lmao @ ur terrible university

# ? Mar 14, 2015 23:42

Malcolm XML: Aug 8, 2009; I always knew it would end like ｔｈｉｓ．

the best systems computering course i know of just makes u write a kernel in like 10 weeks

# ? Mar 14, 2015 23:43

Malcolm XML: Aug 8, 2009; I always knew it would end like ｔｈｉｓ．

Malcolm XML posted:

the best systems computering course i know of just makes u write a kernel in like 10 weeks

no bootloader tho that's just gross

# ? Mar 14, 2015 23:43

Valeyard: Mar 30, 2012; Grimey Drawer

Malcolm XML posted:

the best systems computering course i know of just makes u write a kernel in like 10 weeks

yeah that sounds ownage alright

# ? Mar 14, 2015 23:45

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

Malcolm XML posted:

the best systems computering course i know of just makes u write a kernel in like 10 weeks

pffft you should have to write the verilog for the processor too

# ? Mar 14, 2015 23:47

Valeyard: Mar 30, 2012; Grimey Drawer

also latex is still and always will be trash

# ? Mar 14, 2015 23:53

distortion park: Apr 25, 2011

Valeyard posted:

also latex is still and always will be trash

On one of my internships they used word to do equations.

Not the equation editor, just normal characters. Latex is fine.

# ? Mar 15, 2015 00:06

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

pointsofdata posted:

On one of my internships they used word to do equations.

Not the equation editor, just normal characters. Latex is fine.

I agree, much like bash scripting if you don't try to be fancy and use it just for simple and obvious poo poo (like a resume!) then latex will serve your needs

# ? Mar 15, 2015 00:09

kitten emergency: Jan 13, 2008; get meow this wack-ass crystal prison

latex is great

# ? Mar 15, 2015 00:14

Soricidus: Oct 21, 2010; freedom-hating statist shill

latex is bad, but so are all the alternatives. choose your poison

best thing about latex imo is you can put it in source control

# ? Mar 15, 2015 00:17

Valeyard: Mar 30, 2012; Grimey Drawer

pointsofdata posted:

On one of my internships they used word to do equations.

Not the equation editor, just normal characters. Latex is fine.

The actual equation editor in Word is actually surprisingly good tho

my biggest gripe with Latex is trying to position images. Even when you set the right compiler flags or w/e (not something you should be saying about word processing jfc) it still barely works

# ? Mar 15, 2015 00:24

distortion park: Apr 25, 2011

Soricidus posted:

latex is bad, but so are all the alternatives. choose your poison

best thing about latex imo is you can put it in source control

Nothing makes me happier when working on simulation stuff than seeing a latex doc in source control or a specific bit of a paper/book

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# ? Mar 15, 2015 00:43

PokeJoe: Aug 24, 2004; hail cgatan

KARMA! posted:

which one

http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~jrs/61b/

e: all the lectures and assignments are online for the grabbing, you just won't get any outside support. hope you're self motivated.

# ? Mar 15, 2015 00:47

Malcolm XML: Aug 8, 2009; I always knew it would end like ｔｈｉｓ．

hobbesmaster posted:

pffft you should have to write the verilog for the processor too

theres that nand to tetris course somewhere

# ? Mar 15, 2015 00:58

Janitor Prime: Jan 22, 2004; PC LOAD LETTER

What da fuck does that mean; Fun Shoe

Shaggar posted:

java is probably the best language to use to teach data structures cause collections is easy to understand and extend/implement.

the collections are fundamentally flawed because they lack a super interface for immutable data structures. Scala got that right at least.

but I don't know that it's a deal breaker for teaching.

# ? Mar 15, 2015 09:02

fritz: Jul 26, 2003

there is nothing like trying to get android stuff building to remind me that im a terrible programmer

# ? Mar 15, 2015 15:52

Brain Candy: May 18, 2006

Janitor Prime posted:

the collections are fundamentally flawed because they lack a super interface for immutable data structures. Scala got that right at least.

how does a super interface help?

breaking everything into
{ access } -> { mutate }
still leaves you with const problem,. i.e. if I get a instance of {access} it's only immutable to me, I still have to defensively copy it

...

also, I went and looked and the type hierarchies seem disjoint, which is the smarter choice imho, so I don't know what you mean

Brain Candy fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Mar 15, 2015

# ? Mar 15, 2015 16:14

lord funk: Feb 16, 2004

code:

#if defined(__x86_64__) || defined(_M_X64)

typedef signed int int32;
typedef unsigned int uint32;

#else

typedef signed long int32;
typedef unsigned long uint32;

#endif

hello i am a terrible programmer but why would you ever do this?

edit: hang on there's more

code:

enum ValueTypeSizes{
    OSC_SIZEOF_INT32 = 4,
    OSC_SIZEOF_UINT32 = 4,
    OSC_SIZEOF_INT64 = 8,
    OSC_SIZEOF_UINT64 = 8,
};

# ? Mar 15, 2015 17:11

Soricidus: Oct 21, 2010; freedom-hating statist shill

lord funk posted:

code:

#if defined(__x86_64__) || defined(_M_X64)

typedef signed int int32;
typedef unsigned int uint32;

#else

typedef signed long int32;
typedef unsigned long uint32;

#endif

hello i am a terrible programmer but why would you ever do this?

edit: hang on there's more

code:

enum ValueTypeSizes{
    OSC_SIZEOF_INT32 = 4,
    OSC_SIZEOF_UINT32 = 4,
    OSC_SIZEOF_INT64 = 8,
    OSC_SIZEOF_UINT64 = 8,
};

if only c had something like stdint.h

# ? Mar 15, 2015 17:15

lord funk: Feb 16, 2004

one more:

code:

    // sanity check integer types declared in OscTypes.h 
    // you'll need to fix OscTypes.h if any of these asserts fail
    assert( sizeof(osc::int32) == 4 );
    assert( sizeof(osc::uint32) == 4 );
    assert( sizeof(osc::int64) == 8 );
    assert( sizeof(osc::uint64) == 8 );

gee thanks

# ? Mar 15, 2015 17:22

Valeyard: Mar 30, 2012; Grimey Drawer

lord funk posted:

one more:

code:

    // sanity check integer types declared in OscTypes.h 
    // you'll need to fix OscTypes.h if any of these asserts fail
    assert( sizeof(osc::int32) == 4 );
    assert( sizeof(osc::uint32) == 4 );
    assert( sizeof(osc::int64) == 8 );
    assert( sizeof(osc::uint64) == 8 );

gee thanks

C is whacky, you never know whats gonna happen!!

# ? Mar 15, 2015 17:38

Jerry Bindle: May 16, 2003

lord funk posted:

code:

#if defined(__x86_64__) || defined(_M_X64)

typedef signed int int32;
typedef unsigned int uint32;

#else

typedef signed long int32;
typedef unsigned long uint32;

#endif

hello i am a terrible programmer but why would you ever do this?

edit: hang on there's more

code:

enum ValueTypeSizes{
    OSC_SIZEOF_INT32 = 4,
    OSC_SIZEOF_UINT32 = 4,
    OSC_SIZEOF_INT64 = 8,
    OSC_SIZEOF_UINT64 = 8,
};

say one arch has 32 bit signed ints, and another has 32bit signed longs?

# ? Mar 15, 2015 18:09

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

types not of the form (u)int(#bits)_t suck

# ? Mar 15, 2015 20:55

MeruFM: Jul 27, 2010

in the short time using C seriously, i appreciate typedefs ending with _t

# ? Mar 15, 2015 21:47

Subjunctive: Sep 12, 2006; ✨sparkle and shine✨

Bloody posted:

types not of the form (u)int(#bits)_t suck

no intptr_t? no ssize_t?

# ? Mar 15, 2015 22:34

pseudorandom name: May 6, 2007

lord funk posted:

code:

#if defined(__x86_64__) || defined(_M_X64)

typedef signed int int32;
typedef unsigned int uint32;

#else

typedef signed long int32;
typedef unsigned long uint32;

#endif

hello i am a terrible programmer but why would you ever do this?

edit: hang on there's more

code:

enum ValueTypeSizes{
    OSC_SIZEOF_INT32 = 4,
    OSC_SIZEOF_UINT32 = 4,
    OSC_SIZEOF_INT64 = 8,
    OSC_SIZEOF_UINT64 = 8,
};

long is 32 bits on Windows.

Also, Windows doesn't have stdint.h.

# ? Mar 15, 2015 22:46

MrMoo: Sep 14, 2000

pseudorandom name posted:

long is 32 bits on Windows.

Also, Windows doesn't have stdint.h.

It does since MSVC2010SP1.

# ? Mar 15, 2015 23:39

Valeyard: Mar 30, 2012; Grimey Drawer

so ive got some images laid out in a latex doc. I edited one of the images to have a small inside stroke, its the same dimension as before. Now the image isnt working in the pdf. same scale as before is now breaking the image and making it super huge, and its also breaking the image AFTER it aswell

wtf

# ? Mar 16, 2015 03:46

Jerry Bindle: May 16, 2003

Valeyard posted:

so ive got some images laid out in a latex doc. I edited one of the images to have a small inside stroke, its the same dimension as before. Now the image isnt working in the pdf. same scale as before is now breaking the image and making it super huge, and its also breaking the image AFTER it aswell

wtf

yeah sounds like you're using latex

# ? Mar 16, 2015 04:01

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

Subjunctive posted:

no intptr_t? no ssize_t?

sorry for not writing the ebnf grammar of what i consider to be an acceptable type :jerkbag:

# ? Mar 16, 2015 04:52

carry on then: Jul 10, 2010; by VideoGames
(and can't post for 10 years!)

Bloody posted:

sorry for not writing the ebnf grammar of what i consider to be an acceptable type

lol if your acceptable types don't constitute a regular language, just lol

# ? Mar 16, 2015 05:02

Janitor Prime: Jan 22, 2004; PC LOAD LETTER

What da fuck does that mean; Fun Shoe

Brain Candy posted:

how does a super interface help?

breaking everything into
{ access } -> { mutate }
still leaves you with const problem,. i.e. if I get a instance of {access} it's only immutable to me, I still have to defensively copy it

...

also, I went and looked and the type hierarchies seem disjoint, which is the smarter choice imho, so I don't know what you mean

it's me I'm the terrible programmer :downs:

I could have sworn they were super interfaces but you're right

# ? Mar 16, 2015 05:36

Subjunctive: Sep 12, 2006; ✨sparkle and shine✨

Bloody posted:

sorry for not writing the ebnf grammar of what i consider to be an acceptable type

well, I thought your point was that types should explicitly indicate their storage size and not their intended role.

# ? Mar 16, 2015 05:43

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# ? May 13, 2024 00:20

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

nah my complaints mostly involve numeric types and that their size is significantly important to their functionality and also very poorly conveyed

# ? Mar 16, 2015 06:11

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