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wtsnaename
Dec 20, 2005

And their legs get
stuck in my teeth!
That sounds suspiciously like something you may want to report, honestly.

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Jackard
Oct 28, 2007

We Have A Bow And We Wish To Use It

wtsnaename posted:

All tradeskill seem like an incredible terrifying grind. Trying to get Leatherworking to an appreciable level has straight up taken two days of killing cows and begging a max level skinning knife off a maxed out player, will require a fair amount of time, about 80k councils, tannins notwithstanding, and a high level of favor. All in order to gain modest skinning and tanning skill. Then the real leatherworking begins, which requires high surveying and geology to make anything worthwhile. But all that said it's a good goal to strive for, because most people aren't masochistic dedicated enough to max it. Or at least that's what I tell myself.

Basically with regard to gear crafting, is there any way we could make a concerted effort to catalogue the different equipment skill modifiers so that we can determine good gear and the available modifiers in any given slot? If nothing else it'd be good to have a reference point.
Reconsidering Tailoring in light of those numbers - all I wanted to do was dye clothes nicer colors. :(

Seems like our only option is to funnel mats towards a few crafters. What do you need for your Leatherworking?

wtsnaename
Dec 20, 2005

And their legs get
stuck in my teeth!
I couldn't even tell you at this point, I'm on vacation without any access to a pc. I do know I've progressed past the point of leather I need for what I can craft (rough) so other than rough animal skins and large amounts of money there's n9thinh I could ask for; though I guess if you have either of those or Shoddy skins and nothing to do with them I'll take them off your hands.

mushroom_spore
May 9, 2004

by R. Guyovich
Is anyone planning a Crypt run anytime soon? I'd like to get my hands on a spider potion + belt for an alt, and maybe learn necromancy on my main just to try it out. Mraaj is currently a level 26 Pig + 20 Animal Handling / 14 Mentalism / 18 Psychology so I think (hope) I wouldn't be dead weight along the way. Yeah, I haven't really settled on one secondary yet. :buddy:

That said I'm a lot more interested in the potion and belt than I am in making my main a necromancer, so if y'all go on a run when I'm not online I'd be happy to cover item cost + tip if someone could bring me those. I assume cost is about the same as other potions and belts, anyone know?

wtsnaename
Dec 20, 2005

And their legs get
stuck in my teeth!
What belt are you referring to specifically? The rest, when I get back home, should be fairly doable; whether you're dead weight or not.

Sir Vanderhosen
Feb 18, 2011
I think he's referring to the spider gear belt sold by the strange spider http://projectgorgon.com/wiki/Strange_Spider

Also, I would tag along for a crypt run. I'm getting bored of just running it up to the bosses and stopping, since I can't solo them. I'm 30 sword/25 psychology at the moment.

mushroom_spore
May 9, 2004

by R. Guyovich
Oops, yeah, I just meant the spider one. AFAIK spiders don't have any paired skill belts like werewolves do.

Also since all I want are the spider goodies, I surrender all corpse looting rights if we go in a group.

glug
Mar 12, 2004

JON JONES APOLOGIST #1
I just saw that spider belt for sale used on the gardner in serb. Also, I'm like 46 archery, and can prolly fight better poo poo then I normally do, especially in a group. I could be down for poo poo later/tomorrow. Look for me online if you wanna do anything dangerous/stupid.

mushroom_spore
May 9, 2004

by R. Guyovich
Oh wow, that wasn't the default spider belt - it was a req skill 30 spider belt with +4 inventory slots as a bonus. :buddy: Went ahead and grabbed one for later, thanks for the tip.

I should have a few hours free later tonight and around the same time tomorrow.

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.
This is a game where lucky loot drops can seriously impact just how powerful you are. I got an Animal Handling drop that doubled the amount of Armor and tripled the amount of Health my pet had, and let it do a solid amount more hate. A couple like that and it'd be a viable tank against anything. Same for Werewolf gear. The combos generally come on gear that also boosts your damage, so you can be doing a ton of damage while restoring Health and Armor.

Conversely if you *don't* get the drops you need, you can be absolutely hosed and have to grind out like another 10 levels on a skill to reach a viable point to fight some of the tougher dungeon stuff.

Also where the hell do you get Fish Scales from?

mushroom_spore
May 9, 2004

by R. Guyovich

Boogaleeboo posted:

Also where the hell do you get Fish Scales from?

Random "drops" while filleting raw fish.

glug
Mar 12, 2004

JON JONES APOLOGIST #1

Boogaleeboo posted:

This is a game where lucky loot drops can seriously impact just how powerful you are. I got an Animal Handling drop that doubled the amount of Armor and tripled the amount of Health my pet had, and let it do a solid amount more hate. A couple like that and it'd be a viable tank against anything. Same for Werewolf gear. The combos generally come on gear that also boosts your damage, so you can be doing a ton of damage while restoring Health and Armor.

Conversely if you *don't* get the drops you need, you can be absolutely hosed and have to grind out like another 10 levels on a skill to reach a viable point to fight some of the tougher dungeon stuff.

Also where the hell do you get Fish Scales from?

You can wear belts that skew drops towards your combat skills, and you can check the used items and consignment items at appropriate vendors in appropriate areas and usually get great gear upgrades. Just like in other games, it's not all luck if you are willing to buy. A proper AH system would make it even easier.

mushroom_spore
May 9, 2004

by R. Guyovich
I'm free for the next few hours now, if that lines up with other folks' schedules re: the Crypt. I'll be on as Mraaj or Talbot, currently goofing around farming pork on the latter.

EDIT: I hopped aboard a random late-night speed train through the Crypt with a really high level player, so I have my alt's spider loot now. However, I'm still up for bumbling around doing dumb things with goons one of these days. :3: (Also, turns out extra spider skills are all sold as scrolls, not as normal trained skills, which means you can buy the full set when you get your potion and belt.)

mushroom_spore fucked around with this message at 10:22 on Mar 10, 2015

mushroom_spore
May 9, 2004

by R. Guyovich
The launcher says a whole bunch of game mechanics are getting completely redone on Sunday. Is anyone on test to know what's up? :iiam:

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

Your brokebrain sin is absolved...go and shitpost no more!

There was some stuff on the forums/twitter about improving player ability to handle multiple enemies at once. Maybe there's a bunch of other stuff too :iiam:

Dreadwroth
Dec 12, 2009

by R. Guyovich
I'm really loving how obsessed we are with this janky awesome game, it warms my cockles.

Wolpertinger
Feb 16, 2011
So, I just started screwing around with this, it's strangely compelling


Strotski posted:

HOJLOLL / XXYTGLAN / UAQVHOE / NOQTRYN - Cure Bovinity (Stop being a cow)
ZUOMWIF / PLOOJIZ - Teleport to Crypt
YOZDREU / DECKPWOJ - Teleport to Goblin Dungeon (You can use this, and instantly exit to Etibule)
FOXOUI / LUOFROLL / LUCHFLIG / RIBBOV / TYGVAD / PLOECHOS - Teleport to Serbule
VARCHYR / CREQVOX / XXEEBAX - Teleport to Etibule
XELKAF / CRAMPWYO / EECKTWIRR - Instant Death (Instantly kills user and gives +500 xp to Death skill, when used for the first time)
MRAKTLYP / VYHWIN - Weak Max-Power Boost (Increases your power by 50 for 15 minutes)
WRYOSTEW - Weak Life Regeneration (+1/sec for 15 minutes)
FRUZBROB - Fast Swimmer
FWARRFEJ / PRURRXXUD / UACKCHROW - Increased Inventory (Increases inventory by 10 for 1 hour)

I didn't understand that power words were once EVER instead of once per character, so I accidentally wasted the first two death words :ssh:, so using that google doc thing is probably a better idea so people don't have to go through lists of used ones.

SweetBro
May 12, 2014

Did you read that sister?
Yes, truly a shitposter's post. I read it, Rem.
Where can I learn to mine?

mushroom_spore
May 9, 2004

by R. Guyovich

SweetBro posted:

Where can I learn to mine?

To my knowledge the only way to learn/level it is to go around Surveying.

SweetBro
May 12, 2014

Did you read that sister?
Yes, truly a shitposter's post. I read it, Rem.
How does one go Surveying?

Pesterchum
Nov 8, 2009

clown car to hell choo choo

SweetBro posted:

How does one go Surveying?

Joeh (weapon NPC in Serbule) should sell a skill book to teach you the process. Itwill give you a recipe (which he also sells the materials to) to craft some items that display a spot on your minimap when you use them - Go to that spot and use the item again and you have successfully mined/surveyed.

glug
Mar 12, 2004

JON JONES APOLOGIST #1
Then, if you're not interested in blacksmithing, go SURVEY THE gently caress out of metal and sell the metal to me for double vendor price, and I'll eventually make you all sexy tools like +10 skinning knives.

I've done 110 tier-2 metal surveys to get the 20 blacksmithing I need (plus 20 carpentry and 50 goblinese) to unlock toolcrafting, and now I need piles of tier 1 metal in the beginning.. it hurts.


edit: if you guys haven't seen a pattern to my posting yet, it's basically "my life is so hard, give me your things I will totally give you better things"

Wolpertinger
Feb 16, 2011
Man, I just got myself necromancy on my hours old newbie with the help of a random helpful guy on global and drat is it strong - my posse of skeleton archers just murders anything, and necromancer spell damage is very high - plus, I got like 20 fire salt from the exploding sheep so I got all the level 1-10 fire magic, and now fire spells can actually do damage for once.

Unfortunately, it looks like skeleton buddies don't follow you inside the crypt, and the crypt doesn't count as a graveyard for some amusing reason, so I can't start farming in there, sadly.

mushroom_spore
May 9, 2004

by R. Guyovich

glug posted:

Then, if you're not interested in blacksmithing, go SURVEY THE gently caress out of metal and sell the metal to me for double vendor price, and I'll eventually make you all sexy tools like +10 skinning knives.

I've done 110 tier-2 metal surveys to get the 20 blacksmithing I need (plus 20 carpentry and 50 goblinese) to unlock toolcrafting, and now I need piles of tier 1 metal in the beginning.. it hurts.


edit: if you guys haven't seen a pattern to my posting yet, it's basically "my life is so hard, give me your things I will totally give you better things"

I love spamming surveys, though I tend to just do the level 5 over and over again to keep my three characters supplied with teleport fuel and valuable vendor trash. However, Scuttle is gonna need moonstones for the spider's illusion power, so he'll be working on higher tier stuff and you're welcome to the metal I won't use anyway. :dance:

Pesterchum
Nov 8, 2009

clown car to hell choo choo

Wolpertinger posted:

Man, I just got myself necromancy on my hours old newbie with the help of a random helpful guy on global and drat is it strong - my posse of skeleton archers just murders anything, and necromancer spell damage is very high - plus, I got like 20 fire salt from the exploding sheep so I got all the level 1-10 fire magic, and now fire spells can actually do damage for once.

Unfortunately, it looks like skeleton buddies don't follow you inside the crypt, and the crypt doesn't count as a graveyard for some amusing reason, so I can't start farming in there, sadly.

You can also summon skeletons if you're around 3+ player gravestones, including your own if you suicide a few times.

Vadun
Mar 9, 2011

I'm hungrier than a green snake in a sugar cane field.

Can you go from Cow directly to another animal form, or do you need to uncurse yourself first?

Pesterchum
Nov 8, 2009

clown car to hell choo choo

Vadun posted:

Can you go from Cow directly to another animal form, or do you need to uncurse yourself first?

I tested it with the druid deer form, you seem to be able to switch freely between them with powers/potions. Curing a form turns you back into a cow until you cure cow, though.

wtsnaename
Dec 20, 2005

And their legs get
stuck in my teeth!

mushroom_spore posted:

I love spamming surveys, though I tend to just do the level 5 over and over again to keep my three characters supplied with teleport fuel and valuable vendor trash. However, Scuttle is gonna need moonstones for the spider's illusion power, so he'll be working on higher tier stuff and you're welcome to the metal I won't use anyway. :dance:

Save me any gems along the way that directly affect your combat skills and I'll try my hand at making some armor for you, too. And lots of quartz, please.

Ps. Glug, you can buy tier 1 metals in the myconian cave from either Mu or Way, don't remember which.

wtsnaename fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Mar 15, 2015

SweetBro
May 12, 2014

Did you read that sister?
Yes, truly a shitposter's post. I read it, Rem.
How do you get necromancery?

Jackard
Oct 28, 2007

We Have A Bow And We Wish To Use It
Get an escort deep into the crypts and there is an altar that teaches the skill.

SweetBro
May 12, 2014

Did you read that sister?
Yes, truly a shitposter's post. I read it, Rem.
Any goons interested in doing that?

glug
Mar 12, 2004

JON JONES APOLOGIST #1

wtsnaename posted:

Save me any gems along the way that directly affect your combat skills and I'll try my hand at making some armor for you, too. And lots of quartz, please.

Ps. Glug, you can buy tier 1 metals in the myconian cave from either Mu or Way, don't remember which.

Thanks, and yeah. 50 a pop is almost worth the sanity.
My problem is getting past the first thing I can craft and finding out I need a shitton of skulls for favor. So guess who is collecting skulls instead of getting some money for real skills? :(

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

Your brokebrain sin is absolved...go and shitpost no more!

So, I guess no patch until at least tomorrow :saddowns:

I've been training Sword and Psych as my main combat skills. But this is kind of a problem sometimes, because some enemies (e.g. mantises) have lots of protection against slashing, and I only really do damage with my slashy sword skills. I used a bow to do that babby "kill seven mantises" quest, but it was a pain. Is the only real solution to train a lot into some other form of damage?

I also went into that cave near Lenin's head and couldn't do any damage to the giant snails. Do they have slashing resistance too? My snails anatomy isn't high enough to see.

Vadun
Mar 9, 2011

I'm hungrier than a green snake in a sugar cane field.

Man this game is all about gear isn't it? Found a pair of gloves that has 25% chance to do an extra 45 damage with a Cows basic attack.

Now I can actually feel useful even though I have to turn off sound effects due to every attack making an annoying moo. Do the other animals forms have annoying sound effects too?

Jackard
Oct 28, 2007

We Have A Bow And We Wish To Use It
Naaaa.

glug
Mar 12, 2004

JON JONES APOLOGIST #1
Just go fire off a multi shot arrow in a field of cows in eltibule. Blast dem speakers!

mushroom_spore
May 9, 2004

by R. Guyovich

wtsnaename posted:

Save me any gems along the way that directly affect your combat skills and I'll try my hand at making some armor for you, too. And lots of quartz, please.

Quartz I can do, once I get his skill up enough - looks like it's the same tier as moonstones. Put a note in the spreadsheet? My notepad file for the game is getting messy.

All three of my characters use curse skillsets for main and AFAIK you can't gem for that without some bs from sigil scripting to pick the right animal, but two of them stick to one secondary so I'll hang on to gems for those. :dance:

Lutha Mahtin posted:

I've been training Sword and Psych as my main combat skills. But this is kind of a problem sometimes, because some enemies (e.g. mantises) have lots of protection against slashing, and I only really do damage with my slashy sword skills. I used a bow to do that babby "kill seven mantises" quest, but it was a pain. Is the only real solution to train a lot into some other form of damage?

Pretty much. And psychic anything is gonna be immune to psychic damage, though at least mentalism gives you an electrical attack and psychology's rage drain still works.

Vadun posted:

Now I can actually feel useful even though I have to turn off sound effects due to every attack making an annoying moo. Do the other animals forms have annoying sound effects too?

Pig grunts quietly for a couple of things and squeals for the AOE fear, and spider makes some clicky noises while walking and squeaks when attacking. Neither has anything as piercing, loud, and generally horrible as my brief experience with cow.

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

Your brokebrain sin is absolved...go and shitpost no more!

Vadun posted:

Man this game is all about gear isn't it? Found a pair of gloves that has 25% chance to do an extra 45 damage with a Cows basic attack.

Now I can actually feel useful even though I have to turn off sound effects due to every attack making an annoying moo. Do the other animals forms have annoying sound effects too?

One of my armors gives a guaranteed, like, +30 to the sword skill that decreases enemy damage for 10 seconds. It doesn't increase the power cost either. So every ten seconds, bam, free 30 damage.

glug
Mar 12, 2004

JON JONES APOLOGIST #1
I have a 10% chance that my snare arrow does +1000 damage, and on a different piece of gear it's 10% for another +600. There's other archery stuff for straight +100 I think, or 50% of +100-+150, but nothing beats snare :)

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Wolpertinger
Feb 16, 2011

Pesterchum posted:

I tested it with the druid deer form, you seem to be able to switch freely between them with powers/potions. Curing a form turns you back into a cow until you cure cow, though.

You.. can be a cow/deer? And use both abilites at the same time?

Wolpertinger fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Mar 16, 2015

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