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TetsuoTW posted:You seem like a fun and chill person. Does he not know where he is posting?
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Lurks With Wolves posted:Just make fun of things for what they are. If you have an episode about cock/ball torture fetishists and make a joke in the closing statement about them hating their gender, then people are going to feel weird because it's a fetish thing and not a gender identity thing and you just brought gender identity into it. (Yeah I know my first post in this thread was about this, but you mentioned ball-crushing and it's the best example I personally have.) Likewise, if you have an episode about a weird intimate but platonic and sterilized group activity that's written about like it's something you'd do at a corporate retreat, make fun of it like it's a weird thing you'd see at a corporate retreat and don't roll your eyes at how it's obviously a weird sex thing while you're reading the product description or some people are going to feel kind of weird about it. oh no, posters are mean to people with a probably fake disorder on the comedy forum something awful, also that's a  postnow excuse me while i go to the thread about making holocaust denial jokes
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Mar 14, 2015 18:37
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Can we go back to making STOG puns please? I want a STOGgle party.
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Mar 14, 2015 18:43
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She thinks my Sogs are Stexy.
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Mar 14, 2015 18:47
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What do you mean? I'm a one note joke!
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Mar 14, 2015 19:03
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Does he not know where he is posting?
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Mar 14, 2015 19:16
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In IRL I think sexuality is sometimes an unfortunate barrier to what could be otherwise enriching platonic relationships. So I'm totally for adults exploring ways to be close with each other while remaining friends. I kinda get where that Lurks With Wolves goon is coming from. on the other haaaaaaaaaaaaaand I cannot force my brain to imagine these parties without smelling stale sweat and feeling the slight pulse of a shameful boner against my back. The "cuddle whores" actually make more sense to me than the concept of getting a bunch of strangers together and saying, "ok guys you have to SUPER DUPER promise that you're not secretly getting off on all this." How do you know the person spooning you isn't also the person who likes to subtly masturbate on the bus or something??? Can the Warren Buffet of Cuddling offer me that kind of certainty? What gets me isn't that these guys want to run cuddle parties. It's how much they sell them. I haven't read the doc, but the syntax of what I heard reminded me of every single other episode where the F Plus featured some quack trying to sell a cure-all. It activates my brain's spam filters.
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Mar 14, 2015 20:15
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I somehow doubt that cuddling is the ultimate communication form people have been overlooking in heir search for social harmony.
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Mar 14, 2015 20:18
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I already posted this on ballp.it, but I checked and found out that there's some sort of strange tantric sexual healing school thing about 15 minutes from where I live, and they apparently regularly hold cuddle parties for the people involved in the spiritual tantric sex stuff for the explicit purpose of teaching about boundaries. I'm both more confused and kind of relieved, since they seem to hold these things for people to understand boundaries better before they engage in whatever sexual acts tantric sexual healing deals with. And I'm all for people learning about respecting boundaries. About the episode, I'm just mostly unnerved by the jump from 'complete stranger' to 'push boundaries'. It just reminds me most of all of PUAs trying to pick up girls in public.
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Mar 14, 2015 20:49
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This and the christian BDSM stuff both have that thread of trying to sell everyone on the idea that if everyone did this, we'd all be so much happier. It makes it a lot weirder and more culty than if this was just a forum of people who liked cuddling or something. (And I think it's kinda telling that there apparently isn't a forum out there for this--this is the one thing the internet collectively decided was too uncomfortable for them to dedicate a forum to.)
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Mar 14, 2015 20:58
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A Meat posted:I already posted this on ballp.it, but I checked and found out that there's some sort of strange tantric sexual healing school thing about 15 minutes from where I live, and they apparently regularly hold cuddle parties for the people involved in the spiritual tantric sex stuff for the explicit purpose of teaching about boundaries. I figured Israel would be the last place they'd teach people about respecting boundaries HEYYOOOOOOOO Sorry. Let's go back to STOG puns.
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Mar 14, 2015 21:00
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Djeser posted:This and the christian BDSM stuff both have that thread of trying to sell everyone on the idea that if everyone did this, we'd all be so much happier. It makes it a lot weirder and more culty than if this was just a forum of people who liked cuddling or something. (And I think it's kinda telling that there apparently isn't a forum out there for this--this is the one thing the internet collectively decided was too uncomfortable for them to dedicate a forum to.) Yeah, I can see the need for some version of "touch therapy" for a) abuse survivors who need to train themselves to be OK with casual touch and b) awkward, socially-stunted people who could use some form of connection alongside some actual social training to become less awkward and socially-stunted, because otherwise they're probably just going to get creepier. I don't think cuddle parties are a good source for this, because both cases seem like they'd be better served with some more private, doctor-supervised treatment.
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Mar 14, 2015 21:09
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Fplus readers, you guys should probably add kissing to the readings. It would make your podcast more Oxytocin-rich.Get Innocuous! posted:Can we go back to making STOG puns please? I want a STOGgle party. "What am I going to do with all this STOG porn?" "Good Lord!" "Stay away from that universe."
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Mar 14, 2015 22:07
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Puppy Time posted:Yeah, I can see the need for some version of "touch therapy" for a) abuse survivors who need to train themselves to be OK with casual touch and b) awkward, socially-stunted people who could use some form of connection alongside some actual social training to become less awkward and socially-stunted, because otherwise they're probably just going to get creepier. Yes, that's why there are physical therapy (I don't know the actual name for it) type programs exactly like you're describing for exactly who you're describing. Know what those programs are? A) Run by actual doctors and B) treated with actual respect and gravity because of who they're working with. Dr Cuddle Trump The Certified Cuddle Captain is neither of those things and thus A-Ok to go 'oh my god what' at. Also guys seriously it's not insane to go 'so...you're getting off on this' when most of your site is explaining how no no no you'd NEVER get off on this that'd be WRONG.
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Mar 14, 2015 22:21
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But you see, people need to go through a course in boundaries because the first reaction I have when somebody says "you can touch me" is to have sex with them immediately 
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Mar 14, 2015 22:45
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Lurks With Wolves posted:I'm not saying it's a good idea. I'm saying, if you do it and you don't care about boundaries you're a lovely person. Set up and enforce boundaries, who cares I'm not going anyway. Don't set up and enforce boundaries, congrats now your living room is full of non-consensual groping you shithead. You're a real bucket of cheer lube, aren't you?
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Mar 14, 2015 22:53
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If you need someone to touch you, just go get a massage, jeez. In my neighborhood, they throw in the happy endings for free.
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Mar 14, 2015 23:25
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Also guys seriously it's not insane to go 'so...you're getting off on this' when most of your site is explaining how no no no you'd NEVER get off on this that'd be WRONG. I just assumed the amount of repetition was to try to head off all the creeps who see "cuddle party" and think, "finally, a place to grope someone without getting arrested!" rather than, "finally, a place to hug someone I don't know and not be slapped!"
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Mar 15, 2015 00:22
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Puppy Time posted:I just assumed the amount of repetition was to try to head off all the creeps who see "cuddle party" and think, "finally, a place to grope someone without getting arrested!" rather than, "finally, a place to hug someone I don't know and not be slapped!" Yea sure in the same way the Christian 'discipline' types were just trying to scare off legitimate abusers I'm sure.
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Lurks With Wolves posted:Just make fun of things for what they are. If you have an episode about cock/ball torture fetishists and make a joke in the closing statement about them hating their gender, then people are going to feel weird because it's a fetish thing and not a gender identity thing and you just brought gender identity into it. (Yeah I know my first post in this thread was about this, but you mentioned ball-crushing and it's the best example I personally have.) Likewise, if you have an episode about a weird intimate but platonic and sterilized group activity that's written about like it's something you'd do at a corporate retreat, make fun of it like it's a weird thing you'd see at a corporate retreat and don't roll your eyes at how it's obviously a weird sex thing while you're reading the product description or some people are going to feel kind of weird about it. The F Plus has always made fun of people who try to make a thing they enjoy into an ideology, which makes the cuddlers pretty similar to the Cockrub Warrior community. If they were a forum full of people going "we just want to get together, cuddle and watch a TV show" then they wouldn't have been weird enough for the F Plus to bother with. However here we see that for these people it's clearly more than a pastime. They even have their own jargon and respected leaders. And them repeating words about nonsexual touching and boundaries every other sentence just gives me the impression that the cuddler doth protest too much. And speaking specifically about the ballbusting community, I'm not saying that most transgender people are into ballbusting, and neither do I claim that most ballbusters are transgender. However, while the F Plus has read from the relatively benign part of that community, in Lou Reads' episode on eunuchs there was a lot of "I hate being a man and I would like to dip my penis in liquid nitrogen to break it off". So there was a kernel of truth in that joke. Cat Planet fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Mar 15, 2015 |
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Therion posted:And speaking specifically about the ballbusting community, I'm not saying that most transgender people are into ballbusting, and neither do I claim that most ballbusters are transgender. However, while the F Plus has read from the relatively benign part of that community, in Lou Reads' episode on eunuchs there was a lot of "I hate being a man and I would like to dip my penis in liquid nitrogen to break it off". So there was a kernel of truth in that joke.
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Mar 15, 2015 03:17
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I think that in some cases you can just follow your gut feeling when judging a community - even if they are not doing anything wrong in a vacuum, with folks like cuddlers you can just tell that they tend to be broken. I mean, they are technically not doing anything wrong, but when you imagine a few dozen pajama-clad people in their 30s and 40s forming a "puppy pile" you understand that the odds of normal people being there are pretty slim. I mean, look at this: 
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Mar 15, 2015 04:27
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I must be pretty hosed up because I find those pictures to be kind of weird, but entirely harmless.
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Mar 15, 2015 04:30
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RyokoTK posted:I must be pretty hosed up because I find those pictures to be kind of weird, but entirely harmless. That's exactly what I've said though. Most F Plus subjects are, except for bio reactor fodder like Roosh V. Doesn't mean it's wrong to make fun of them. I haven't heard anyone in the episode claiming that they are bad people, the word "broken" was used but in that context it just meant having issues or being poorly socialized. What I'm trying to say is, I understand why a person might dislike the F Plus for making fun of non-conformist subcultures, but I don't understand why making fun of this particular group is suddenly unjust to a person who normally enjoys the podcast. VVVVV You won't be saying it when they'll get their 5 cocked robo dragon bodies. VVVVV Cat Planet fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Mar 15, 2015 |
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Mar 15, 2015 04:31
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RyokoTK posted:I must be pretty hosed up because I find those pictures to be kind of weird, but entirely harmless. The Malatora people were also harmless
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Mar 15, 2015 04:40
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My issue with this particular episode is that pretty much all the readers really, really wanted to make it seem gross and appalling, and it's really not. Malatora was just a big absurd joke, which is how they handled it, and that episode was better for it. e: I guess when it comes down to it, I don't really find the concept of a cuddle party that out-of-this-world weird. Not compared to the Malatora poo poo or mpreg or whatever, anyway. I mean, hugs are nice. RyokoTK fucked around with this message at 04:53 on Mar 15, 2015 |
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Mar 15, 2015 04:48
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I think it was a weak episode, especially right on the heels of Rev Bishop Dr Prof John Kitchin PhD Esq. Still, there is a thread of the usual "no guys really, this is totally normal I swear" throughout that makes it kind of funny.
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Mar 15, 2015 04:51
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Plague of Hats posted:I think it was a weak episode, especially right on the heels of Rev Bishop Dr Prof John Kitchin PhD Esq. Still, there is a thread of the usual "no guys really, this is totally normal I swear" throughout that makes it kind of funny. I enjoyed the concept behind it but I think that if they looked harder they would have been able to find more crazy. When I've read the episode description I instantly thought that it's going to have a couple of stories of cuddle parties gone wrong, but there hasn't been a single one. Cat Planet fucked around with this message at 06:04 on Mar 15, 2015 |
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Mar 15, 2015 04:54
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RyokoTK posted:My issue with this particular episode is that pretty much all the readers really, really wanted to make it seem gross and appalling, and it's really not. Malatora was just a big absurd joke, which is how they handled it, and that episode was better for it. Go hug a stranger, see how nice that gets. Go discuss boundaries with a stranger for a FULL HOUR and then hug them for a full two more. Now go lay down on the floor with a load of strangers. Hugs are fine! This poo poo just makes my skin crawl.
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Mar 15, 2015 04:56
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I liked the constant oxytocin talk. It reads like someone who needs an excuse to reconcile enjoying stranger cuddling, or like someone who doesn't enjoy it but is convinced it's good for them anyway.
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Mar 15, 2015 04:58
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Midnight Voyager posted:Go hug a stranger, see how nice that gets. Well I mean, you're not just hugging someone on the street, it's consensual. Like, you get into a room with other people that want to hug, and then you hug. It's a swingers party, but a lot less gross than that. I'm not saying it's not weird, but a huge amount of this just feels like people that have real bad maladjustment issues and are trying to overcome them. And when it comes to maladjustment, I'd rather have people hug each other than get onto F-List and talk about how they want to dock their hypercocks or whatever.
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Mar 15, 2015 05:00
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This episode definitely needed some community drama or some anerotic cuddle fiction, but like Portaxx said at the end that's probably out of the question because literally no one is actually talking about this on the internet because, surprise surprise, there's not a whole lot of overlap between "can't or won't cuddle with friends or loved ones" and "is perfectly fine cuddling with complete strangers". Hell the "okay with cuddling with complete strangers" circle is practically nonexistent on its own.
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Mar 15, 2015 05:02
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RyokoTK posted:Well I mean, you're not just hugging someone on the street, it's consensual. Like, you get into a room with other people that want to hug, and then you hug. It's a swingers party, but a lot less gross than that. This is true, but the combination of infantilizing and overly rigid boundaries structure and the obsession with how it will fix your life gives me some weird 50 Shades of Widdwe Kaitwin vibes. I'm not saying it's the worst thing ever, I'm just saying it's deeply off-putting and I definitely get why they were grossed out. I don't think they "wanted to make it seem gross", I think they were legit grossed out like I was. Different people are skeeved by different things, after all. Midnight Voyager fucked around with this message at 05:32 on Mar 15, 2015 |
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Mar 15, 2015 05:03
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A lot of it stems from Lemon, who thinks that a lot of people are hiding nefarious and violent motives behind their odd quirks. You might say it's a joke most of the time, but sometimes he sounds dead serious. Such as the end of the Plush Lovers episodes, where he said with apparent seriousness that people were dangerously violent because they cut a hole in a plush animal one time and had completely non-violent fantasies about inanimate objects. Personally my favorite episode was Fat Awareness, because the people they were reading were just so full of smug indignation that it was pure joy to hear them get taken down a few pegs.
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Mar 15, 2015 05:42
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Added Space posted:A lot of it stems from Lemon I eagerly await the episode about people with multiple partners since I've been in relationships like that and Lemon seems to be genuinely prejudiced against such things. This will be a test for me - will I take it well or will I turn out to be a total hypocrite.
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Mar 15, 2015 05:45
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The biggest problem for me was just that the sales pitch for the cuddle party thing is weird, but not in an especially interesting way, and it ended up being too much of the episode compared to the really funny bits. It felt kind of like watching a video where someone's crashing in an attempted skateboard stunt, but it's happening offscreen because the cameraman focused on the rules of the skate park or something.
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Mar 15, 2015 06:19
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The secret is that the cuddle parties are a front for consuming blood and semen.
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Mar 15, 2015 06:20
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On the Ballpit forums Portaxx told me that she was looking hard for funny experiences and testimonials but didn't manage to find any. Weird, I thought that would be a gold mine.
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Mar 15, 2015 06:21
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I'm sorry but if you don't think making "hugging strangers for three hours for totally non-sexual reasons guys this is totally just hugging and stuff totally platonic its for chemical reasons there's absolutely nothing sexual about it" a significant part of who you are is at least kinda creepy you might be broken too.
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Therion posted:I think that in some cases you can just follow your gut feeling when judging a community - even if they are not doing anything wrong in a vacuum, with folks like cuddlers you can just tell that they tend to be broken. I mean, they are technically not doing anything wrong, but when you imagine a few dozen pajama-clad people in their 30s and 40s forming a "puppy pile" you understand that the odds of normal people being there are pretty slim. I mean, look at this: that looks like how I imagine frat parties ending all it needs are plastic red cups all over the place and it'd be a perfect comparison
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