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Wasn't the crippled Veers thing due to the fact that there's an ESB cut scene that shows Hobbie's snowspeeder hitting his AT-AT, and then after Dark Empire came out and used him, someone at Lucasfilm decided they wanted to use both concepts? Which is also why there are the jokes in the X-wing books about Hobbie being a bacta spokesman because he used so much of it to get healed.
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I have to be honest, I feel like it's as long since I read most of the material in question that it's all sort of blurred together. 
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Mar 13, 2015 23:48
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jivjov posted:Han and Chewie, Vader, and some random Y-Wing pilot. Keyan Farlander! Not that minor a character if you have played the first X-Wing game [and I guess he pops up in NJO]
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Mar 14, 2015 00:01
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Wheat Loaf posted:On the other hand, was Veers the officer from the stormtrooper's story in Tales from the Mos Eisley Cantina who personally removes the guy from AT-AT pilot training because he pointed out that a small ship could get between the thing's legs and mess it up with a tow cable, because it was embarrassing to the entire military philosophy? Yes indeed, and then the guy ends up being part of the detachment to Tatooine.
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Mar 14, 2015 00:11
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I didn't know Veers got that shafted in the EU, though I guess none of it matters now. That treatment is almost as bad as Madine getting blasted by the Darksaber Hutt. I did check out that cut scene though, from the rough animatics it looks like it was the origin of the "head explodes and pours out smoke" effects work that was used on the AT-AT Luke sabered and tossed a grenade into. Julian Glover is still working, give us a Moff Veers cameo, Disney!
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Mar 14, 2015 00:28
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KurdtLives posted:Keyan Farlander! Not that minor a character if you have played the first X-Wing game [and I guess he pops up in NJO] 
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Potential BFF posted:I didn't know Veers got that shafted in the EU, though I guess none of it matters now. That treatment is almost as bad as Madine getting blasted by the Darksaber Hutt. I did check out that cut scene though, from the rough animatics it looks like it was the origin of the "head explodes and pours out smoke" effects work that was used on the AT-AT Luke sabered and tossed a grenade into. Julian Glover is still working, give us a Moff Veers cameo, Disney! Julian Glover is fantastic as Pycelle, I'd love for him to come back as Veers.
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Mar 14, 2015 00:40
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KurdtLives posted:Keyan Farlander! Not that minor a character if you have played the first X-Wing game [and I guess he pops up in NJO] I thought Keyan's X-Wing was being flown by Luke because Keyan was out injured or something?
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Mar 14, 2015 00:55
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My favorite minor star wars character in Manny Boffins. 
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Hazo posted:I don't know what you're talking about, I flew every mission in that game and I never heard of anyone named Farlander. I can't tell if you are joking but that is the name of character you are playing.
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Potential BFF posted:Veers is one of the few Imperials shown to be competent and he managed to survive the movie and Vader. Let's not forget Admiral Piett either, he got two movies, a scene dedicated to his death by kamikaze, and "INTENSIFY FORWARD FIREPOWER!" didn't turn into a meme. I love Admiral Piett. His ascension through the ranks is such a  arch in the movies and I was kind of sad when he died. He was just always in the right place at the right time, ready to be promoted whenever his superiors failed and got choked. And the one time he fails it's when Vader is too distracted to do his usual "kill a minion" thing.
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Mar 14, 2015 11:14
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KurdtLives posted:I can't tell if you are joking but that is the name of character you are playing.
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Grendels Dad posted:I love Admiral Piett. His ascension through the ranks is such a I remember in the Heir to the Empire 20th anniversary edition, Zahn said he had wanted to bring a character back who died in ROTJ, but Lucasfilm wouldn't let him. For whatever reason, that immediately made me think that Piett was who he wanted to bring back, and that he invented Pellaeon to replace him when he couldn't. I feel like there's a lot of overlap in their characters.
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Chairman Capone posted:I remember in the Heir to the Empire 20th anniversary edition, Zahn said he had wanted to bring a character back who died in ROTJ, but Lucasfilm wouldn't let him. For whatever reason, that immediately made me think that Piett was who he wanted to bring back, and that he invented Pellaeon to replace him when he couldn't. I feel like there's a lot of overlap in their characters.
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Nessus posted:He wanted to have Jorus be a clone of Obi-Wan, I know that much. OB-2, then?
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ObII-Wan.
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Oobi-Wan.
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Ooby-two I wanna be like you-hoo-hoo.
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Been Kenobi.
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Is there a good resource for the new EU novels? What's out and what's coming out? I just finished A New Dawn, which was pretty good. But when I tried searching for more, I got a bit confused distinguishing between the new EU and Legends. I know there's Tarkin, Lords of the Sith, and Heir to the Jedi. But what is Into the Void? Darth's Maul: Son of Dathomir? Dark Disciple? Anything else? I fell way behind on the old EU, but I'd like to try and keep up on the new one. If I can just figure out what's what.
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Into the Void was the Dawn of the Jedi tie-in, wasn't it? If so, then it's non-canon. Son of Dathomir is a Dark Horse comic based on unproduced Clone Wars scripts, which despite being Dark Horse is still part of the new continuity. Dark Discipline is a novel also based on unproduced Clone Wars scripts written by FOTJ's Christie Golden about a romance between Quinlan Vos and Asajj Ventress. Other than those and the ones you mentioned, I think the only other announced novel is Aftermath, which is coming out in September and will be the first post-ROTJ novel in the new continuity.
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I believe Paul S. Kemp has a novel coming out with Vader and Palpatine as the main characters.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I believe Paul S. Kemp has a novel coming out with Vader and Palpatine as the main characters. Yeah that's Lords of the Sith.
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Star Wars Aftermath, the first big post-ROTJ pre-TFA canon bridge book: http://www.starwars.com/news/what-happened-after-endor-find-out-in-star-wars-aftermath Starwars.com posted:The second Death Star has been destroyed. Rumors are flying that the Emperor and his enforcer, Darth Vader, are dead. A new government is forming to replace the Empire. But the galaxy is a big place, and the fallout of this cataclysm will affect different worlds in different ways. Does everyone accept the fall of Imperial rule? Has everyone even heard the life-altering news? What rushes in to fill the vacuum the Empire has left? And who will try to stop them? 
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Chuck Wendig writing Star Wars? Get hype.
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One thing that kinda bugs me a little about the old post-ROTJ EU is there's never another Emperor after Palpatine. There's some people who are informally "in charge" of the Empire like Ysanne Isard and Thrawn, but there's no official figurehead. I think it would be cool to have an Emperor as basically a puppet monarch while someone behind the scenes while someone like Ysanne Isard calls the shots from the shadows.The Roman Empire didn't collapse when Julius Caesar was assassinated. There were a ton of Emperors after him.
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Gammatron 64 posted:One thing that kinda bugs me a little about the old post-ROTJ EU is there's never another Emperor after Palpatine. There's some people who are informally "in charge" of the Empire like Ysanne Isard and Thrawn, but there's no official figurehead. I think it would be cool to have an Emperor as basically a puppet monarch while someone behind the scenes while someone like Ysanne Isard calls the shots from the shadows.The Roman Empire didn't collapse when Julius Caesar was assassinated. There were a ton of Emperors after him.
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Gammatron 64 posted:One thing that kinda bugs me a little about the old post-ROTJ EU is there's never another Emperor after Palpatine. There's some people who are informally "in charge" of the Empire like Ysanne Isard and Thrawn, but there's no official figurehead. I think it would be cool to have an Emperor as basically a puppet monarch while someone behind the scenes while someone like Ysanne Isard calls the shots from the shadows.The Roman Empire didn't collapse when Julius Caesar was assassinated. There were a ton of Emperors after him. I guess they kinda sorta had Sate Pestage occupying that role in the old X-Wing comics, but the problem was that Palpatine expected he'd live forever one way or another, so he never had a formal heir. I think part of the point of the Empire (at least in the Legends continuity) is that it was held together partly because everyone in the hierarchy was terrified of Palpatine and Vader, its political structure comprised a mass of backstabbing bureaucrats and crooked advisors who kept each other in check because Palpatine set them against one another, and the entire military philosophy was predicated on rewarding ambition and ruthlessness rather ability and duty, so as soon as Palpatine and Vader were out of the picture, all the best admirals broke off and tried to set up their own little pocket kingdoms (which is an aspect of the post-ROTJ Legends EU I quite liked, because it was a bit like Alexander's empire fracturing into Pontus, Ptolemaic Egypt, the Seleucid Empire and so on after he died).
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It's amusing to me that the old EU used the story of the Empire hanging on after RotJ, which then seemed strange when the RotJ special edition came out and seemed to promote "Everyone is celebrating everywhere! The Empire is dead! The galaxy is cool now!". Then the EU had to go back post-SE and say, "Ahh, not really, the Empire quickly clamped down on the celebrations and stopped that." Which seemed a bit ridiculous in the sense of them being desperate to protect the post-RotJ EU they had developed in the face of the new series ending paradigm. Then the sequel trilogy gets developed, and ends up going with that same story anyway.
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Gammatron 64 posted:The Roman Empire didn't collapse when Julius Caesar was assassinated. There were a ton of Emperors after him. All of the emperors were after Julius Caesar because the Roman Empire didn't begin until after his death.
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A funny thought hit me: do we even know if the Chiss exist these days?
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JesustheDarkLord posted:All of the emperors were after Julius Caesar because the Roman Empire didn't begin until after his death. Considering the size of the Empire, I always saw it more as Imperial Russia after the last Romanov/China after the 1911 Revolution. Huge amounts of territory filled with loyal and rogue militarists all itching for either their own piece of the action or desperately trying to keep the status quo.
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omg chael crash posted:A funny thought hit me: do we even know if the Chiss exist these days? Not in any canon thing, I don't think. Although they're still in the Fantasy Flight cards and The Old Republic, both of which are being continued despite being "Legends".
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Teek posted:Star Wars Aftermath, the first big post-ROTJ pre-TFA canon bridge book: This actually sounds pretty legit, can't wait for the sperg rage "Mu muh canon stuff " though.
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Chairman Capone posted:Not in any canon thing, I don't think. Although they're still in the Fantasy Flight cards and The Old Republic, both of which are being continued despite being "Legends". Promotional art also makes it look like Thrawn is going to be around in some capacity, so presumably the Chiss are being kept.
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Possibly Chicken posted:This actually sounds pretty legit, can't wait for the sperg rage "Mu muh canon stuff " though. Oh that's already everywhere. There's a handful of Facebook groups dedicated to petitioning Disney to continue the "real" EU or whatever (which is all well and good, and I do kinda wish we were still getting Legends-continuity entries) but some people are completely clueless and out of touch with what's happening. "Disney's new fan fiction is terrible, bring back the real EU" uhh, you realize that the new Story Group stuff is EXPLICITLY non fanfic and is intended to be just as canon as the films, right? "I won't stand for Disney disrespecting the hard work of the EU authors" how exactly did Disney disrespect anyone or anything? If anything, I half expected the old EU to be pushed out of print and be treated as if it never existed at all. Instead it all got explicitly relegated to its own product line, complete with fancy new Legends branding. That's a waaaay better outcome than we really could have hoped for.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I guess they kinda sorta had Sate Pestage occupying that role in the old X-Wing comics, but the problem was that Palpatine expected he'd live forever one way or another, so he never had a formal heir. I think part of the point of the Empire (at least in the Legends continuity) is that it was held together partly because everyone in the hierarchy was terrified of Palpatine and Vader, its political structure comprised a mass of backstabbing bureaucrats and crooked advisors who kept each other in check because Palpatine set them against one another, and the entire military philosophy was predicated on rewarding ambition and ruthlessness rather ability and duty, so as soon as Palpatine and Vader were out of the picture, all the best admirals broke off and tried to set up their own little pocket kingdoms (which is an aspect of the post-ROTJ Legends EU I quite liked, because it was a bit like Alexander's empire fracturing into Pontus, Ptolemaic Egypt, the Seleucid Empire and so on after he died).
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