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sincx posted:http://www.chinasmack.com/2015/videos/hong-kong-protesters-continue-to-harass-mainland-tourists.html HK is rapidly becoming another topic you just can't talk to mainlanders about like xinjiang or Tibet. They only ever get fed news stories like this, or stories about "separatists" opposing universal suffrage. What they know about HK is just so far removed from the actual issue -- corrupt officials, Beijing, and HK tycoons running the city's economy for their own benefit at the expense of the vast majority of the population -- that it's becoming difficult to have a conversation because there is zero common ground. And nobody likes being educated about their own country by a foreigner, which is pretty much necessary in order to even come close to discussing the reality of the political situation in HK with a mainlander. I was surprised when I was not really able to have a conversation with a close friend about HK. He was polite about it but he had nothing to say about anything that I brought up, because what he had heard had nothing to do with the economy or the even the protesters' stated goals. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Mar 12, 2015 |
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I think I mentioned it before but my Chinese high school students far and away hate Hong Kong more than anything else on Earth. Shinzo Abe could have sex with a model of the Senkakus in Yasukuni Shrine and it wouldn't even come close to how much they've been whipped up to hate Hong Kong. Admittedly, they have been taught from a very young age to hate more or less everyone on Earth who isn't from their province so it doesn't take a lot to get them enraged at any particular group. Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Mar 12, 2015 |
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Grand Fromage posted:I think I mentioned it before but my Chinese high school students far and away hate Hong Kong more than anything else on Earth. Shinzo Abe could have sex with a model of the Senkakus in Yasukuni Shrine and it wouldn't even come close to how much they've been whipped up to hate Hong Kong. Why, though?
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LimburgLimbo posted:Why, though? I don't know why they're doing it. I assume they're afraid that if Hong Kong is allowed to have actual democracy everyone else will want it, so they're poisoning the well as hard as they can to keep people in China from seeing anything good about Hong Kong.
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That would sort of explain why my HK-Canadian friend says he got treated like poo poo all the time from more recent Mainland immigrants. Between that and being accused of being "too Canadian," he ended up really, really hating people from the mainland.
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PT6A posted:That would sort of explain why my HK-Canadian friend says he got treated like poo poo all the time from more recent Mainland immigrants. Between that and being accused of being "too Canadian," he ended up really, really hating people from the mainland. Those new comers can get hosed.
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LimburgLimbo posted:Why, though? Traitors ungrateful for Papa Xi and the Party's benevolence
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Arglebargle III posted:HK is rapidly becoming another topic you just can't talk to mainlanders about like xinjiang or Tibet. They only ever get fed news stories like this, or stories about "separatists" opposing universal suffrage. What they know about HK is just so far removed from the actual issue -- corrupt officials, Beijing, and HK tycoons running the city's economy for their own benefit at the expense of the vast majority of the population -- that it's becoming difficult to have a conversation because there is zero common ground. And nobody likes being educated about their own country by a foreigner, which is pretty much necessary in order to even come close to discussing the reality of the political situation in HK with a mainlander. Is it mainlanders' fault that they don't care about HK's (broken) political system. The only HK threads I see on Chinese forums are about Hong Kongers being hostile to mainland shoppers. I say mainlanders don't care about any other country/regions political system except America's election. I doubt Chinese even care about taiwan's politic that much.
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most mainlanders think that taiwan is a province of china, so of course they don't take taiwan politics seriously
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PT6A posted:That would sort of explain why my HK-Canadian friend says he got treated like poo poo all the time from more recent Mainland immigrants. Between that and being accused of being "too Canadian," he ended up really, really hating people from the mainland. "Being too Canadian" is a new one.
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Yeah it looks like they've turned Hong Kong into another nationalist issue. I guess that means the Central Government has given up the idea of harmoniously integrating Hong Kongers under One Country Two Systems. Looking forward to more chaos.
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Fojar38 posted:"Being too Canadian" is a new one. One has to wonder: why go to Canada of your own free will and then complain about people acting Canadian? What did they expect?
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Kopijeger posted:One has to wonder: why go to Canada of your own free will and then complain about people acting Canadian? What did they expect? That all waiguoren bow to the obviously superiour 5000 year old culture.
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Kopijeger posted:One has to wonder: why go to Canada of your own free will and then complain about people acting Canadian? What did they expect? I thought that his friend was HK-Canadian and was criticized for "being too Canadian" when he's in China. Do they just mean "being too white/American" or is there something specific to "acting Canadian?"
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PT6A posted:he ended up really, really hating people from the mainland. This reaction seems to come up in a lot of different places from a lot of different people.
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Stringent posted:This reaction seems to come up in a lot of different places from a lot of different people. Well to be fair mainlanders do suck super super hard
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Chickenwalker posted:Well to be fair mainlanders do suck super super hard But enough about my trips to Dongguan...
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augustus gluten posted:But enough about my trips to Dongguan... 
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Chickenwalker posted:Well to be fair mainlanders do suck super super hard Nope.
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From the posts in here I've seen nothing but hostility and racism from Hong Kong protestors. Their concerns might be legit but the way they go about expressing leaves almost no room for any kind of dialogue. Once you begin likening mainlanders to locusts and whatnot there no more point in talking with you.
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GlassEye-Boy posted:From the posts in here I've seen nothing but hostility and racism from Hong Kong protestors. Their concerns might be legit but the way they go about expressing leaves almost no room for any kind of dialogue. Once you begin likening mainlanders to locusts and whatnot there no more point in talking with you. How many posters here are actual Hong Kong protesters? I was at Occupy in NYC, but that is where I live.
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The racism is lovely, especially when directed at people like the parallel traders, who are simultaneously the most prevalent obnoxious mainland influence on people in the northern New Territories and the poorest people benefiting the least (while still benefiting) from the current system. But at the same time, Hong Kongers are the ones who are oppressed, denied a voice, have no political power, suffer intimidation, violence from the state, steady abrogating of their civil liberties, and so on. Yes, they do lovely things, but the solution is not to tell Hong Kong activists to stop being lovely, it's to get the central and HK governments to stop being oppressive and exploitative. McDowell posted:How many posters here are actual Hong Kong protesters? Short answer: several.
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I was at the Yuen Long protests and from the 1.5 hours I can say that the protesters were peaceful and it went on so long because of trouble makers in the crowd. Otherwise they were obeying police. It was a lovely situation.
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Fojar38 posted:I thought that his friend was HK-Canadian and was criticized for "being too Canadian" when he's in China. Says "eh?" instead of 呀.
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whatever7 posted:Is it mainlanders' fault that they don't care about HK's (broken) political system. The only HK threads I see on Chinese forums are about Hong Kongers being hostile to mainland shoppers. It's not that they don't care; that's not what I said. I said it's becoming difficult to have a conversation because there's no common ground. I think a lot of Chinese would care about HK politics if they were allowed to know anything about it, as HK is a symbol of China's ongoing negotiation with its past. Hong Kong shoppers being hostile to mainlanders is also directly related to the political situation. I think mixed in with anger there's a lot of shock and dismay in mainland reactions; like the reaction to "we're not Chinese, we're Hong Kong people." If mainlanders had any access to information about HK politics they might not have be so shocked, confused, and threatened. You can see in that link, there's a lot of people saying "All we do is come and buy your products, why isn't that good for you?!" If they understood that a tiny group of capitalists received virtually all of the money from their shopping excursions and colluded with government to suppress wages in HK despite the booming retail industry, they might be a lot more sympathetic. And most importantly, they might direct their anger not at the HKers who are powerless victims lashing out in a stupid way, but at the real cause of the problem: the capitalists colluding with the corrupt state. Which is why they can't have any information about the situation. GlassEye-Boy posted:From the posts in here I've seen nothing but hostility and racism from Hong Kong protestors. Their concerns might be legit but the way they go about expressing leaves almost no room for any kind of dialogue. Once you begin likening mainlanders to locusts and whatnot there no more point in talking with you. Yeah there is a lot of racism and it's not good. It's the same kind of economic anti-immigrant sentiment that usually targets the people with the least power in the situation. Your average mainland shopper doesn't have any control over the situation and lashing out at them is worse than useless. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Mar 13, 2015 |
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There's also the language issue as well. Many speeches and videos are in Cantonese so things don't translate as well. Some locals are racist poo poo heads and want to ban mainlanders all together. Some want to ban parallel trading and impose travel limits like once a day. I'm pissed that the root of the problem is not being addressed. Lack of food safety, archaic taxes on everyday items, and both the Chinese / hong Kong borders not enforcing customs. Honestly if you want to be a small time trader, then take your goods through the commercial goods border and pay duty on it. Funny enough I used to hate Canadian customs being the biggest obnoxious dicks in the whole wide world but maybe HK can learn from them. It's pretty frustrating talking about this subject with other people as well. As democracy is being stone walled people are turning into radical extremism lumping in their own racial prejudices which fosters racism. It's either you are a racist anti mainlander, or a communist stooge. caberham fucked around with this message at 05:03 on Mar 13, 2015 |
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Cross posting Found in one of the seedier places of Hong Kong, at a Mahjong parlour in the district of Yau Ma Tei  3 faint sentences: "World Peace" "China's prosperity" "Hong Kong's stability" Main header: "Want no big wars" "Love bamboo (mahjong) wars"
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caberham posted:Cross posting The Saddam ghost is a nice touch.
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caberham posted:Cross posting Who are the guys on either side of Xi Jinping?
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Lady Galaga posted:Who are the guys on either side of Xi Jinping?
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Dux Supremus posted:I assumed Shinzo Abe left and Nelson Mandela right. I am guessing its Cameron left and the Indian PM on the right. Anyway pairing Mandela or Modi next to Xi is getting the political alliance wrong. Also Putin is not nearly mafia enough. Park should have been in right seat. It's way funnier.
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Xibanya posted:Says "eh?" instead of 呀. I already throw a 啊 at the end of every other sentence in true Taiwanese fashion, so this is a perfect suggestion.
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whatever7 posted:I am guessing its Cameron left and the Indian PM on the right. Putin doesn't even have any shoes on.
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Uh it's definitely Mandela, Modi looks nothing like this.
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If you guys fail, get out of DnD  Martin Lee, founder of the Democrat party of Hong Kong, was testifying to the Canadian Parliament http://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/PARLVU/TimeBandit/PowerBrowser_SilverLight.aspx?ContentEntityId=12659&EssenceFormatID=478&date=20150309&lang=en easier version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im6aAzhrRBw  Democrat party is a limp dick though 
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so apparently burma just bombed yunnan and four chinese civilians are dead. now taking bets on when this information will be pulled from all chinese websites, and/or if china will go to war over this. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/14/world/asia/myanmar-warplane-kills-four-farmers-in-china.html?_r=1 and on the people's daily if you're so inclined http://world.people.com.cn/n/2015/0314/c1002-26691660.html
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China won't do anything. Beijing want to build high speed rail and pipeline to Thailand. I am reading people getting super mad over this in Chinese threads, it's pretty funny. whatever7 fucked around with this message at 08:07 on Mar 14, 2015 |
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coloncalamity posted:so apparently burma just bombed yunnan and four chinese civilians are dead. now taking bets on when this information will be pulled from all chinese websites, and/or if china will go to war over this. I agree that probably nothing will come of it for economic and logistical reasons.
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