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The important question is: Does Brian Kibler have a Patreon to support his fashion wardrobe?
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Mar 17, 2015 15:49
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Wezlar posted:Its funny because that's not even insane for a video game streamer. People are just straight nuts Remember 10-15 years ago when the idea of getting anyone to pay for anything on the Internet was laughable? 
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Mar 17, 2015 16:00
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Entropic posted:Remember 10-15 years ago when the idea of getting anyone to pay for anything on the Internet was laughable? They just didn't know what to do with the internet. Pets.com, where you could ship pets? BAD IDEA. Watching people play something you love and can't be bothered to practice at the level they're at? That's feasible. Check out all entertainment!
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Mar 17, 2015 16:02
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En Fuego posted:Watching people play something you love and can't be bothered to practice at the level they're at This is giving stream monsters way more credit than they're worth
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Mar 17, 2015 16:10
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I have never met someone who pays for streams. Can someone who has walk me though the thought process? Really confused ATM
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Mar 17, 2015 16:14
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Chill la Chill posted:I have never met someone who pays for streams. Can someone who has walk me though the thought process? Really confused ATM I mean I've donated to AGDQ that's kind of like paying a streamer. I figure it's like that but for more mundane streams.
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Mar 17, 2015 16:16
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It's like people paying money in the year of our lord 2015 to post on an internet forum, some people just have some cash laying around and they want to use it.
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Mar 17, 2015 16:19
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Chill la Chill posted:I have never met someone who pays for streams. Can someone who has walk me though the thought process? Really confused ATM As someone who gets paid to entertain people, you're paying for the entertainment. Same reason you pay to see a movie, watch a show, etc. Some people are bad, but the entertaining ones (this is subjective you turds) are the ones getting $$.
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Mar 17, 2015 16:21
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Guess it kind of makes sense if you put it that way. I've never found them entertaining enough to pay for and its always been donations and never an entry fee. Movies and SA are entry fees.
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Mar 17, 2015 16:23
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Chill la Chill posted:Guess it kind of makes sense if you put it that way. I've never found them entertaining enough to pay for and its always been donations and never an entry fee. Movies and SA are entry fees. Yeah, for me it's very few and far between, but I've kicked like $5 here or there to a couple of people. I'd be more likely to donate to haumph if he'd get rid of all the stupid sound effects (or at least level/normalize them to his speech holy poo poo).
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Mar 17, 2015 16:25
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it is a turning point in a young child's development to realize other people like different things to them
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Mar 17, 2015 16:34
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gang sines posted:it is a turning point in a young child's development to realize other people like different things to them No. Stop liking things I don't like. 
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Mar 17, 2015 16:39
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gang sines posted:it is a turning point in a young child's development to realize other people like different things to them It is also a turning point to a child to realize that they could both celebrate and criticize things.
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Mar 17, 2015 16:39
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Chill la Chill posted:It is also a turning point to a child to realize that they could both celebrate and criticize things. This is a funny way of saying I was wrong.
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Mar 17, 2015 16:49
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Kyrosiris posted:Yeah, for me it's very few and far between, but I've kicked like $5 here or there to a couple of people.
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Mar 17, 2015 16:54
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jassi007 posted:This is a funny way of saying I was wrong.
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Mar 17, 2015 17:01
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I wonder what's changed recently with people being willing to pay for content. It seems like even 5 years ago people wouldn't be able to get donations for this sort of thing; getting people to pay for content was like pulling teeth. I think it's maybe the social aspect? Everyone egging each other on and streamers making their subs feel like part of a community. Maybe microtransactions on f2p and phone games has made people a little more willing to shell out cash?
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Mar 17, 2015 17:11
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lol guys i don't get why people would pay money for thing?? <-- a sick "burn" or "diss"
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Mar 17, 2015 17:41
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odiv posted:I wonder what's changed recently with people being willing to pay for content. It seems like even 5 years ago people wouldn't be able to get donations for this sort of thing; getting people to pay for content was like pulling teeth. I think it's maybe the social aspect? Everyone egging each other on and streamers making their subs feel like part of a community. Maybe microtransactions on f2p and phone games has made people a little more willing to shell out cash? It might have something to do with the honesty behind it. With things getting more expensive and the customer not necessarily getting quality to go with it, sometimes it's nice to just see a person you find funny being funny without any strings attached and from there, the goodwill probably makes a lot of people much more willing to invest.
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Mar 17, 2015 17:49
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gang sines posted:lol guys i don't get why people would pay money for thing?? <-- a sick "burn" or "diss"
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Mar 17, 2015 18:05
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odiv posted:I wonder what's changed recently with people being willing to pay for content. It seems like even 5 years ago people wouldn't be able to get donations for this sort of thing; getting people to pay for content was like pulling teeth. I think it's maybe the social aspect? Everyone egging each other on and streamers making their subs feel like part of a community. Maybe microtransactions on f2p and phone games has made people a little more willing to shell out cash? People realized with various free to play models that lots of people will just not do a thing if it costs any money (children who don't have access to credit cards, people who don't have money to spare on a game that looks like a maybe, people who just wouldn't spend that money even if they did have it) buta t the same time there are plenty of people who just have money that they're willing to spend. It's really evident with magic in general too. There's plenty of people that spend 15 bucks or just borrow a deck from a friend or sibling, because that's their interest level. Casuals are really good at being free word of mouth if your design is good or attractive in any way. Then the kind of people who are going to just buy a box every set do. Or the kind of people who play competitively and constantly show up to tournaments.
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Mar 17, 2015 18:05
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Terrible Horse posted:Yeah MTGO players are like bottom rung on Twitch. People playing LoL or CS:GO (especially women) regularly make 5-7k a stream. Which is insane to me but good on them for supporting the entertainment they consume I guess. This is where Brian Kibler is. For everything he might say about "MTGO sucks which is why I stopped streaming it," he straight up told me that Hearthstone streaming makes way more money due to higher viewership and eSports sponsorships.
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Mar 17, 2015 18:10
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odiv posted:If that was to me, don't get me wrong, I think it's awesome. I'm just curious as to what's driving the change. naw to chill
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Mar 17, 2015 18:10
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odiv posted:I wonder what's changed recently with people being willing to pay for content. It seems like even 5 years ago people wouldn't be able to get donations for this sort of thing; getting people to pay for content was like pulling teeth. I think it's maybe the social aspect? Everyone egging each other on and streamers making their subs feel like part of a community. Maybe microtransactions on f2p and phone games has made people a little more willing to shell out cash?
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Mar 17, 2015 18:13
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They must have really gotten their card collation a lot better to be able to have only the 5 Planeswalkers be double-faced in actual packs. Unless every pack has a Planeswalker  I suppose I can see why they're limiting it so much - Manifest is still in standard and Whisperwood/Mastery see play. You really could end up Manifesting a DFC and getting a bunch of random judge calls at FNM. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Mar 17, 2015 |
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Mar 17, 2015 18:27
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Angry Grimace posted:They must have really gotten their card collation a lot better to be able to have only the 5 Planeswalkers be double-faced in actual packs. Unless every pack has a Planeswalker They did. that was the big point of the new font, new frame etc. the cards are machine readable, so in theory they should be able to sort much better now. It has lead to some funny things like commander decks with all rares etc.
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Mar 17, 2015 18:34
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Angry Grimace posted:They must have really gotten their card collation a lot better to be able to have only the 5 Planeswalkers be double-faced in actual packs. Unless every pack has a Planeswalker How does that work, by the way?
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Mar 17, 2015 18:36
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Manifested DFCs have three sides. You can turn them face up and then later flip them. It's very powerful.
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Mar 17, 2015 18:39
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goferchan posted:How does that work, by the way? The 'front' face of the card is still a creature so you would have to pay the mana cost to turn it face up like any other creature. While manifested it is still a 2/2 morph critter thing. The dual faced cards don't actually have two faces in the rules, they are 'transformed'. The only proper way to handle these cards will happen in the far future when we have all ascended to machine intelligence in thrall of the eternal ultra-MaRo; only then can we properly think in the four dimensional space required to comprehend a three faced card. edit: you pay the mana cost, not the cmc kzin602 fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Mar 17, 2015 |
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Mar 17, 2015 18:42
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goferchan posted:How does that work, by the way? There's a "third side" to manifest. You manifest it, when you flip it, it goes up normal face up.
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Mar 17, 2015 18:46
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kzin602 posted:The 'front' face of the card is still a creature so you would have to pay the mana cost to turn it face up like any other creature. While manifested it is still a 2/2 morph critter thing. Or just slap a manifest token over any and all cards that get manifested.
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Mar 17, 2015 18:50
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But if I drop ixidron after the manifested dfc planeswalker is turned face up, it stays face up, correct?
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Mar 17, 2015 18:50
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Angry Grimace posted:This is where Brian Kibler is. For everything he might say about "MTGO sucks which is why I stopped streaming it," he straight up told me that Hearthstone streaming makes way more money due to higher viewership and eSports sponsorships. Honestly I get the feeling that if mtgo looked just a little better and played anywhere near as well as hearthstone does, it would skyrocket in popularity.
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Mar 17, 2015 18:51
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If they didn't charge essentially the same for paper and online it might help too, but maybe it wouldn't make a difference and people would flock to it regardless.
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Mar 17, 2015 18:52
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What's wrong here 
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Mar 17, 2015 18:53
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Comp Rules 110.6 posted:A permanent's status is its physical state, There are four status categories, each of which has two possible values: tapped/untapped, flipped/unflipped, face up/face down, and phased in/phased out. Each permanent always has one of these values for each of these categories A manifested Magic Origins DFC Planeswalker card is a face down, unflipped, card. The picture that is in place of the card back has no effect. It will have to be turned face up, then flipped (by a transform effect) to become a planeswalker. At least, I think that's how it works. Magic rules are hard sometimes. Mouth Ze Dong fucked around with this message at 18:57 on Mar 17, 2015 |
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Mar 17, 2015 18:54
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odiv posted:If they didn't charge essentially the same for paper and online it might help too, but maybe it wouldn't make a difference and people would flock to it regardless. That's partially a function of the redemption policy. End of Life Guy posted:A manifested DFC card is a face down, unflipped, card. The picture that is in place of the card back has no effect. It will have to be turned face up, then flipped (by a transform effect) to become a planeswalker. In practice quite easy - you can't directly play a DFC in an unsleeved deck and if its sleeved, just put the sleeve-side down.
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Mar 17, 2015 18:55
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Molybdenum posted:But if I drop ixidron after the manifested dfc planeswalker is turned face up, it stays face up, correct? If you play Ixi when the DFC is in planeswalker mode, nothing happens. If you play Ixi while the DFC is in creature mode, it becomes a morph creature thing; because it was not manifested and has no morph cost, it's trapped that way unless it leaves the battlefield.
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Mar 17, 2015 18:56
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kzin602 posted:The 'front' face of the card is still a creature so you would have to pay the mana cost to turn it face up like any other creature. While manifested it is still a 2/2 morph critter thing. http://tabakrules.tumblr.com/post/100530619404/duel-masters-triple-faced-cards#permalink Matt Tabak has already shown us the future.
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Mar 17, 2015 18:57
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Okay but what if I have Infinite Reflection on Jushi Apprentice, then manifest a double faced card?
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Mar 17, 2015 18:58
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