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Was it just me or did anyone else get faked out by last week's trailer for this episode? They made it look like the Kettlemans were were going plead guilty from the get-go and needed Jimmy to return the money, so when this episode aired and the Kettlemans fired Kim so that they could continue to plead innocent I was actually surprised.
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Breaking Bad almost always had good previews in that way.
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Mar 17, 2015 09:51
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GamingHyena posted:Clients switch lawyers all the time if they don't like what the first one says. In real life it would be unlikely to be as big of a thing as the show makes it out to be. True, but in this story Hamlin is taking poo poo out on Kim because of her friendship with Jimmy. It's still within the boundaries of believability.
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Mar 17, 2015 10:06
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Y'know, if anything, McGill's endgame is much sadder than Walt's was. McGill is a genuinely good, kind person, while Walt from the very start was a bit of an rear end in a top hat. Watching McGill twist into Saul is gonna suck 
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Mar 17, 2015 10:20
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Raxivace posted:Haha, I wonder if the whole idea for Jimmy's plan came from what Nacho said. Don't recall and can't rewatch atm. What was that?
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Mar 17, 2015 10:24
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Frostwerks posted:Don't recall and can't rewatch atm. What was that? "I like to rob thieves, that way they can't go to the cops" and he basically said these exact words back to the kettlemens in their living room when Mrs. K threatened to call the cops. Is it true that Ignatio's actor's name has been in the credits of every episode so far? Has he been stalking him and later we're going to get screencaps of him just staring daggers at saul or making that v fingers at his eyes, rotating out towards saul, i'm looking at you motion in every episode? Like a murderous where's waldo? Krinkle fucked around with this message at 10:28 on Mar 17, 2015 |
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Mar 17, 2015 10:26
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Krinkle posted:Is it true that Ignatio's actor's name has been in the credits of every episode so far? Has he been stalking him and later we're going to get screencaps of him just staring daggers at saul or making that v fingers at his eyes, rotating out towards saul, i'm looking at you motion in every episode? Like a murderous where's waldo? Best post ITT
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Mar 17, 2015 10:40
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I just realized that when Walt and Jesse drag Saul out to the desert to threaten him into defending Badger, Saul tells them he doesn't take bribes from people he doesn't know. The lesson the Jimmy learned this episode is that you don't take bribes from total morons.
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Mar 17, 2015 10:51
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Krinkle posted:How did walt get those guys in prison murdered after mike dies? Did he issue those orders through saul? If not I don't think saul ever got anyone killed or would push that as the main idea. I liked what someone else said maybe twenty pages ago how every time he suggested someone else gets killed it was to rule that out and remind him that if you're not going to do A then you have to start thinking about B. That was me. I really hope the writers are consistent and never have Jimmy/Saul seriously suggest murder. I know they've compiled a Saul reel, so that should help. Mike is another matter, they almost have to show his arc from vigilante to killing as a solution for dealing with problems (though not nearly as bad as Walt or Lydia.)
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Mar 17, 2015 13:58
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Kim may be a good lawyer and get a sweet deal with the DA, but I doubt she's able to negotiate a death sentence down to 6 months probation. Jimmy is still the best lawyer ever 
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Mar 17, 2015 14:03
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A good poster posted:Had the Kettlemans killed after Mike got the money out?
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Mar 17, 2015 14:27
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Toplowtech posted:Probably phone Natcho to tell him where the money is (for a cut) and keep (badly) defending the Kettlemans. Disagree. I think he would have happily defended the Kettlemans. Also if Nacho took the money, Kettlemans can't exactly pay him.
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Mar 17, 2015 14:52
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Krinkle posted:
I like this. I'm not certain, but I'm pretty sure that at this point, the last time we saw Nacho was when Jimmy gave him the little "whoever tipped off the family did you a favor" speech. It's hard get a read on what he thinks about that because he's not really giving anything away with facial expressions. He just turns and walks away. On the one hand, there's no way he's going to be all, "Yeah, you got a point, dude. 'S'all good, man, lol. Well, have a nice life, Jimmy. See ya 'round." On the other hand, I think he's probably smart enough to realize, maybe later, that yeah, that warning really was the best thing for all concerned. But even so, that doesn't mean he's just going to go away or even that he's going to forgive the "transgression." My prediction is that he finds some other way for Jimmy to be useful to him. Also, when he shows up at Jimmy's office with his little plan, he says, "Tuco doesn't know I'm here." I think that's significant. What I'm hearing is, "Tuco shouldn't know I'm here." He's not going to come right out and say, "Don't tell him" because it would make him look weak, and besides, he's undoubtedly confident that Jimmy won't tell Tuco about their meeting anyway. He wants to steer clear of Tuco, and he surely doesn't want to tell him something he'll react badly to. But what if Jimmy finds himself in a position in which he thinks the only way to deal with Nacho is to manipulate Tuco into taking care of him?
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Mar 17, 2015 14:52
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Krinkle posted:How did walt get those guys in prison murdered after mike dies? Did he issue those orders through saul? If not I don't think saul ever got anyone killed or would push that as the main idea. Saul did suggest that they should kill Badger in the food line in prison.
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Mar 17, 2015 14:53
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Jerusalem posted:God that was great, and amongst all the great parts I just want to note how hilarious it was when Kim revealed HOW Mr. Kettleman embezzled the money - just straight up writing fraudulent checks to HIMSELF for things that demonstrably never existed. Yeah—the thing about this episode that really kept me off balance and kept me from seeing how the story was going to go was just how unpredictable and illogical the Kettlemans' actions were. I mean, in retrospect mostly it makes sense (i.e. Betsy is really just that crazy), but at the time I kept thinking that no way could they possibly still be trying to keep up the charade of innocence after all that's gone down, even if they think they hold the trump card of bribery/blackmail. Surely they would take some new tack, and Jimmy would come up with some ingenious way to get them off, or something. But I don't get what these two must have been thinking, even accepting that their "thinking" is suspect to begin with. What kind of embezzlement is it where they're dumb enough to write checks to themselves, but not dumb enough to spend the money as they go along? What is the plausibility that they will have "every penny" of the missing money in stacks of cash in a duffel bag, as though they know they have to hide it from the IRS like Walter did? Surely if they're as benighted as to just think they can skate through by keeping the money hidden and playing dumb to everyone they meet, they would have been enjoying the fruits of skimming off the top all along since day one. How did their scheme get started? They didn't have a life-changing event like Walt's cancer diagnosis to kick them suddenly into a life of crime. They must have started small, nickel-and-diming, and gradually over time Betsy came to depend on it, like once they'd got their nice house and everything. That's what the logical path would have been. But then what sense does it make for the money to all be there as cash, meticulously counted? Incidentally, I wish we could have heard what they said when they lit into the kids about leaving their neatly wrapped stacks of $100 bills around with their toys. 
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Mar 17, 2015 14:56
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Obviously, what Saul would have done is have Mike stage the robbery, then present them with their cash as a demonstration, before offering to launder it properly and teach them how to store it, for a reasonable fee.
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Mar 17, 2015 14:57
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Last Chance posted:Saul did suggest that they should kill Badger in the food line in prison. Yeah but that was him suggesting an alternative to a client. I doubt Saul would take such a course of action himself, unless necessary. Doesn't speak well for his morals, sure, but it was more about him understanding the realities of the drug business.
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Mar 17, 2015 15:06
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Last Chance posted:Saul did suggest that they should kill Badger in the food line in prison. At the time it was clear that Jesse was very "pro-Badger" and would never have agreed that Badger should die. He just did it to make a point about how dire the situation was, that there were few choices, and the only one was Jimmy In-And-Out (which also provided Saul a nice chunk of cash.) Same thing when he suggested that Walt send Hank "to Belize"; he knew well that Walt was all about family with his "this is my legacy  " and would never accept the death of a family member.
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Mar 17, 2015 15:09
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:Yeah but that was him suggesting an alternative to a client. I doubt Saul would take such a course of action himself, unless necessary. Doesn't speak well for his morals, sure, but it was more about him understanding the realities of the drug business. Yeah but here's the exact quote from Saul: "Why don't you just kill Badger? I mean, follow me, but if a mosquito is buzzing around you and it bites you on the rear end, you don't go gunning for the attorney. You go grab a fly swatter. I mean, so to speak. I mean, all due respect, but do I have to spell this out for you?" It doesn't really sound like he's presenting an alternative so much as the more obvious, "cleaner" solution.
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Mar 17, 2015 15:14
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monster on a stick posted:At the time it was clear that Jesse was very "pro-Badger" and would never have agreed that Badger should die. He just did it to make a point about how dire the situation was, that there were few choices, and the only one was Jimmy In-And-Out (which also provided Saul a nice chunk of cash.) While I do think Saul didn't really expect "oh I could just kill them" to be a revelation in either case, I also think he was a little serious about pitching the idea. Helps to establish what he can do for the client, at the very least. You have to figure Walt was just one client of many. Probably knows a handful of people even more dispassionate about murder than Mike.\ Last Chance posted:Yeah but here's the exact quote from Saul: Sure, but I always read into it that he was more surprised that the drug dealers aren't considering pressing that big red button. He can make a murder happen, but it never really seemed like Saul's domain. Arsonist Daria fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Mar 17, 2015 |
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Mar 17, 2015 15:17
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Krinkle posted:"I like to rob thieves, that way they can't go to the cops" and he basically said these exact words back to the kettlemens in their living room when Mrs. K threatened to call the cops. Oh my god, I'd love it if he pulled an She-Ra and it turns out that he's hidden in every episode, and at the end of the series, he asks the viewer if they noticed. Then it cuts to every shot where he's in the background.
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Mar 17, 2015 15:23
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SwissCM posted:Y'know, if anything, McGill's endgame is much sadder than Walt's was. McGill is a genuinely good, kind person, while Walt from the very start was a bit of an rear end in a top hat. Watching McGill twist into Saul is gonna suck Saul still had more of a moral compass than Walt. He tried to tell Walt he was done with him after he poisoned Brock, and by walking away from Walt he'd be walking away from a lot of money.
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Mar 17, 2015 15:33
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It's too bad by the time that Saul realized what a monster Walter was that he was too scared out him to chew him out like he did the Kettlemans. It would have been so satisfying if Walter just had to face a line of every major character in the show from Jesse on down to Gus tearing him a new rear end in a top hat.
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Mar 17, 2015 15:36
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All this talk of Saul offering up murder as a legal defense and no mention of Belize?
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Mar 17, 2015 15:40
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Cape Cod Crab Chip posted:All this talk of Saul offering up murder as a legal defense and no mention of Belize? We were just talking about Belize. I'll send you to Belize!
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Mar 17, 2015 15:42
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The dangers of posting with an hour of delay...
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Mar 17, 2015 15:52
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I normally hate prequels, but drat this is incredible and could run on its own as a standalone show without watching BB (as I haven't). Also, nobody else caught Jimmy's Bingo mic being the Bob Barker mic from The Price is Right? Maybe it wasn't deliberate, but it felt like it could've been a subtle throw-in given his modeling himself after Matlock.
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Mar 17, 2015 16:07
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CBJSprague24 posted:I normally hate prequels, but drat this is incredible and could run on its own as a standalone show without watching BB (as I haven't). CBJSprague24 posted:It felt to me like a slightly more subtle old-folks' attention-grabber which accessorized the Matlock look: it's similar to the mic Bob Barker used when he hosted The Price is Right. Last Chance fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Mar 17, 2015 |
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Mar 17, 2015 16:25
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CBJSprague24 posted:I normally hate prequels, but drat this is incredible and could run on its own as a standalone show without watching BB (as I haven't). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa4Cy_Fp-Ac is all I could think about.
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Mar 17, 2015 16:27
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SwissCM posted:Y'know, if anything, McGill's endgame is much sadder than Walt's was. McGill is a genuinely good, kind person, while Walt from the very start was a bit of an rear end in a top hat. Watching McGill twist into Saul is gonna suck Due to the lack of self awareness/respect required to be Saul, I imagine his brother and Kim have to die before the series ends. Or in the later case, come to some sort of irreconcilable conclusion. And man, that's gonna suck to watch. On the other hand, they are really building him as more of an actual good guy hero than Walt ever was, so maybe he'll get something nice in the future Cinnabon world.
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Mar 17, 2015 16:34
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RandomPauI posted:Oh Jimmy. I love what you did with the Kettlemens but I can't help but wonder what Saul would have done.
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Mar 17, 2015 17:56
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Last Chance posted:You did. Last page: Goddamn near every gameshow used those mics back in the 60's and 70's, didn't they? Not that the elderly don't appreciate Bob Barker but it'd probably mean more to them than just The Price is Right.
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Mar 17, 2015 17:58
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RandomPauI posted:Oh Jimmy. I love what you did with the Kettlemens but I can't help but wonder what Saul would have done. Saul never would have worked with them. What they wanted is what Jimmy asked Chuck for initially when he was in prison, for the problem to just go away. Since they were unwilling to part with their cash money (even trying to deny to Jimmy that there was money), I doubt they could be convinced into buying a business as a laundering front. Also, the Kettleman's hiding place for the cash reminds me of Saul's talk with Walter in the school, when Saul asks if he has the money buried in the backyard.
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Mar 17, 2015 18:16
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I think this episode also did a pretty good job of explaining away the question "why does Mike do stuff for Saul when he works for Gus?" Which wasn't a big deal IMO, but it was nice to see the question so elegantly dealt with.
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Mar 17, 2015 18:28
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Last Chance posted:You did. Last page: This might be the first time somebody didn't bother to read their own posts holy poo poo
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Mar 17, 2015 18:54
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He did say "nobody else"
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Mar 17, 2015 18:55
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Data Graham posted:He did say "nobody else" That's a loophole.
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Mar 17, 2015 18:56
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Podcast just went up. I'm at work and can't listen right now but I hope they talk about the Mike catburglar sequence, that was hot. All dem apples 
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Mar 17, 2015 19:16
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I love how they wrote Mrs. Kettleman so annoyingly stubborn and he basically mirrored what we were all thinking and told it to her face. Minus strangling her.
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I honestly thought Mrs. Kettleman was demanding a trial because she knew her husband would be found guilty and then she would be living it up with the money. I'm not sure that is the case, though.
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