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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:It's hard to say "oh well back in the day he'd be great but today he sucks" when a dozen different authors write his comics. One might have Superman at his best, a month later he whines about not being strong enough. Goku has the advantage of being written by one dude, even if Toriyama is forgetful as hell. You've got to assume the best for Superman if you want an honest comparison. DC's Silver Age was hardly ever an attempt at serious writing, though. It was just simplistic attempts at getting money from kids, to the point they were reusing stories every few years. It'd be like counting the gag from early Dragon Ball where someone gets hit so hard they crash through the panel. I'm not gonna go, "Well, people from Dragon Ball can punch people through the Fourth Wall" but it'd be as fair as using that era of Superman. And even then, it's not like Silver Age Superman was consistant at all. In one issue he'd juggle solar systems and then in the very next he'd be winded by a tank shell. Lumberjack Bonanza posted:A Marvel or DC universe where heros actually age and die sounds like a pretty intriguing concept. Some new heroes take up the old mantles, others invent themselves. It's a good idea, but Superman & Batman Generations did it and it was terrible in execution. Grant Morrison's The Just is like that, but it's one issue in a mini series of semi unconnected stories.
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Endorph posted:there's a reason DC comics has had like five reboots in the past decade. The only way to make changes to the characters is to completely reset the story. They actually killed their entire 'new 52' recently. Not enough new readers apparently, which was the entire point of it
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Monaghan posted:Marvel has a ton of good comics out right now and you guys suck. And yet the only one that's been in movies with a good comic is Hawkeye.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:And yet the only one that's been in movies with a good comic is Hawkeye. superior iron man's good, avenger's has been great, thor's had some good comics, as has loki.
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Monaghan posted:superior iron man's good, avenger's has been great, thor's had some good comics, as has loki. Much as I love Loki, he isn't a hero. I like Fem Thor but it isn't the same character. Superior Iron Man is alright but nothing spectacular, I suppose that's a case of different tastes though.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:And yet the only one that's been in movies with a good comic is Hawkeye. I'm still bitter about Nova not being in Guardians of the Galaxy  Anyway, we should probably get back on topic. The Vegeta/Pui Pui fight is rad.
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I just got burnt out with the big two around the time of siege and blackest night. I had lost my job around the. And couldn't afford to keep buying monthly comics. I never started doing it again because I just didn't have the interest anymore. I'm kinda jaded when it comes to the big superhero comics and mostly I'll just read the historically important stories, i.e a death in the family, Chris Clairemont's X-Men run, etc. There just aren't a lot of really memorable story arcs that leave a mark for decades anymore.
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i just cant give a flip about superhero comics because there's no ending. no matter how great the writing is or how much the characters grow, any climax is only fleeting and temporary, and inevitably it'll be shifted to some other artist/writer team that has a vastly different idea of how the characters should be and immediately undo pretty much everything that happened.
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Endorph posted:i just cant give a flip about superhero comics because there's no ending. no matter how great the writing is or how much the characters grow, any climax is only fleeting and temporary, and inevitably it'll be shifted to some other artist/writer team that has a vastly different idea of how the characters should be and immediately undo pretty much everything that happened. There's always Nextwave, which no one will ever pick back up for some goddamn reason.
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Endorph posted:i just cant give a flip about superhero comics because there's no ending. no matter how great the writing is or how much the characters grow, any climax is only fleeting and temporary, and inevitably it'll be shifted to some other artist/writer team that has a vastly different idea of how the characters should be and immediately undo pretty much everything that happened. I am right there with you bro. There is a limit, a threshold on how far you can up the stakes on a series (any series) before your audience stops giving a poo poo. Honestly I was getting burnt out on the Majin Buu saga, cause it was just getting ridiculous and Toriyama knew it. Most stories you can take things through about 6 story arcs before you burn out the concept. That seems to be the trend with any storytelling medium in general I've noticed.
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I love that we're having a discussion about how DBZ is so much better than Superman because it has a proper ending when a new DBZ movie is coming out literally tomorrow. Edit: Honestly though, I think Dragon Ball's bigger advantage is that it only has an author, whereas it seems like superhero comics just change authors all the time and suddenly all characters act like vague approximations of their former selves.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:A Marvel or DC universe where heros actually age and die sounds like a pretty intriguing concept. Some new heroes take up the old mantles, others invent themselves. I'm not sure if we're still going with this subject/derail, especially since I've never really followed comics, but isn't the new Ms. Marvel a successor to the previous one that also happens to be a muslim teenager? Seemed like that got good reception.
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Effortpost part two: why Goku is lodged in the heart of so many born from 1985 onward and Supes is not Original Thesis: Superman is less appealing to modern audiences than Goku because of two unfortunate flaws: first, his core qualities are tied to a presentation that is not as appealing or relevant to modern audiences; second, there are huge pressures preventing any change to the fundamental aspects of Superman's presentation. I'm going to discuss the presentation of Superman's core qualities vs. the presentation of Goku's core qualities and why Goku's presentation is more suited to modern readers' than Superman's. I say "presentation" because at their core, they are both very similar characters - many people who have made more superficial comparisons than then one I'm attempting right here have cited Joseph Campbell's "The Hero with a Thousand Faces" so you can probably just google "Goku Superman monomyth." Some people complain that music producers have managed to engineer repetitive pop music that prods your brain into liking it even though each song has the same beats - to which I say c'mon, son, we figured that out for narratives like 5000 years ago. There's just something that makes our brain squirt dopamine when it comes to stories about people who are somehow special or powerful in some way who fight enemies who are just as powerful as they are and in doing so showcase the best of both themselves and what we value as humanity. So since the obligatory "how are they alike" paragraph is out of the way, let's talk about the differences. Why was Superman so popular to begin with? Superman's first appearance was in 1933, right in the middle of the Great Depression, meaning he provided a power fantasy to powerless readers. His outfit was familiar to his initial audience as it was designed to resemble that of a circus strongman. Buying a comic book in those days was relatively cheap, and it was one of the most affordable forms of entertainment in terms of both monetary cost and time. Alternative forms of home entertainment: books (this is also the golden age of the pulp novel) and radio (though in 1930 only 40% of Americans even had a radio - would be 90% in 1940). Through the middle of the 20th century, comics were the ideal form of entertainment for kids - portable, inexpensive, and, very importantly, due to their episodic nature, easy to discuss with friends. You could be working class, middle class, or maybe even rich, and still enjoy a Superman Comic. There's another component of Superman's presentation that I don't see discussed as much as I believe the topic warrants. Superman is not only a heroic selfless character (as any character following the monomyth pattern would be), Superman is also a moral authority. The Comics Code Authority, whose standards were in use from the 50s to sometime 20-30 years ago, ensured that Superman would never behave in any way short of upstanding, but even independent from that, Superman is the unassailable arbiter of right and wrong - Lois and Jimmy behave like a petulant children and Superman gently scolds them and saves them from their own poor decisions. Supergirl and Krypto look to Superman as the "father" of their Super-family. For a child inundated with Cold War scaremongering, I imagine that having a strong authority figure to look up to would have been quite comforting. What made Supes less fun? Jumping forward to after the fall of the iron curtain, a lot of these qualities aren't just neutral, they're downright unattractive. "What's the deal with superheroes wearing their underwear on the outside of their pants!" is like the "What's the deal with airplane food!" of preteen humor. I don't know many people whose parents made a habit of taking them to the circus. Weirdly enough, I actually did go to the circus often as a kid (it was always in town right around my birthday) and I remember most of the acts being built around death-defying stunts and/or animals. I guess strong guys aren't that interesting to go see IRL now that you can watch 'em on ESPN or something. So to modern kids Supes' look is just "the established superhero look," with no real rhyme or reason, and certainly no connection to the real world. Nobody short of a fan at a convention would want to actually go around wearing that getup. Comic books are also not a great form of entertainment for a kid. They're pretty expensive and you have to wait a month between each issue. Even worse, they have a high barrier to entry in terms of getting up to speed with the story and characters. You could, as I did, pick up an issue of Wonder Woman in 1996, find it peppered with footnotes, and not know what the hell was going on. That means even if you did manage to get into Superman comics as a preteen in the 90s, who are you going to talk about the latest issue with? Most of your friends aren't going have the funds or patience required to get up to speed. And then the biggest stumbling block for a preteen kid just looking to have fun, this horror, brought to us in the 80s and "perfected" in the 90s - the company-wide crossover. To get what's happening with Supes, you have to also buy 5 other comic books. Actually following a modern ongoing is the domain of either adults or the children of the middle class. OK, but that's just the comic - what about the character itself, featured in several cartoons in the last two decades. That brings me back to how Superman is the quintessential paternal authority figure. Even in his 90s cartoon, Superman doesn't get tired and lash out in anger. Superman doesn't act selfishly in a weak moment. In the Justice League series, Superman is a senior member of the League and acts in part as its moral center. His best moment in all of these cartoons is his famous "world of cardboard" speech where he discusses how he HAS to be perfect all the time because if he makes one little fuckup, he could kill someone. It's a fascinating moment of pathos, but nobody can hear that speech and think, "yes, that is me! I can be like that!" Superman is your dad. In many cases, Superman is a fond childhood figure TO your dad. Supes IS the establishment. And we dont' like the establishment around these parts. ("No, gently caress YOU dad.") So let's talk about Goku now. We like to joke about how Goku is the world's worst father, but in a way that reveals part of his appeal. Does YOUR Dad act like Goku? I should loving hope not. So weirdly, even though Supes isn't a father in most of the known versions of his franchise and Goku is, Goku doesn't read as this paternal figure who's gonna come and tell you to pick up your goddamn room and write a thank-you letter to Grandma. I've read a lot of people who said Goku taught them bravery or that, in a weird mutation of WWJD, they ask themselves "What would Goku do?" but I have never read someone say "Goku was the father I never had." (And I have read people say that of Optimus loving Prime of all people...robots.) Goku's just a simple guy who does what he thinks is right, but he's sometimes selfish (eats all of Roshi's prize money away), sometimes careless (see beginning scenes where he somehow loses track of the whereabouts of his 4-year-old son), and every now and then commits a social faux pas (talking to everyone, even Gods and Kings, like a hick). He is more or less the best we can realistically aspire to - we'll never be perfect, but we can try to do our best to be courageous. Who can hope to emulate Superman's perfection? Goku's costume is relatable as well. Goku wears a gi. Gis are fuckin' cool. If I had one I would wear that poo poo out to the park. Oh yeah and the violence. Preteens love violence, or at least the sense that there are consequences to what they're watching (lol violence has no consequences in the world of comics) DBZ is more violent than the Justice League cartoon and it's a fuckload more violent than the comics of the 50s and 60s. Maybe on par with the 1985 comics and forward, but that brings me back to continuity. Yes, DBZ is a linear story and isn't episodic, but it is a hell of a lot easier to enter as a beginner than any given Superman issue of the last several decades. Hell, most of us started out never having seen Dragonball. You got these seemingly random characters like Yamcha or Chaotzu, but there's never a plot twist that hinges on knowing some obscure fact about them from years ago. You can watch DBZ at home, then go chat with your friends about it and argue about power levels. Watching DBZ is affordable. You just need a TV and maybe cable (although I believe when it aired in some countries, you didn't even need that!) You don't need to get your parents to drive you to a store or buy you a subscription. You can enjoy DBZ independently, even if you're a kid. If you're a preteen you can nerd out about DBZ with your friends even if your friends are poorer than yourself. Full disclosure, I am a comics nerd, but not a single one of my IRL friends is. I've got no one IRL with whom I can share the joy that is Blue Beetle. I've turned to drugs and the internet to dull the pain. Coming up in part three: Why Superman can't change what people don't like about him and how Goku will probably eventually fall into the same trap
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Endorph posted:i just cant give a flip about superhero comics because there's no ending. no matter how great the writing is or how much the characters grow, any climax is only fleeting and temporary, and inevitably it'll be shifted to some other artist/writer team that has a vastly different idea of how the characters should be and immediately undo pretty much everything that happened. That's how I feel these days. Since entertainment is a business, companies will almost always drag a story on as long as it is still profitable until they totally run it into the ground. With movies and TV it's harder to do this as actors age and/or refuse to come back but with something like a comic book you can just use the same character forever. Pretty much, there IS a such thing as too much of a good thing. Marvel's movies are great, but I'm just getting tired of them now. Walking Dead is theoretically a good show but I just can't bring myself to care because I am just so tired of zombies. They've been done to death, pun intended.
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Xibanya posted:Superman doesn't get tired and lash out in anger. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8VPOP7huew
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I think Xibanya hit the nail on the head with the easy access thing. You could just jump straight into DBZ, and if you do it at the beginning you're learning a ton of new stuff as Goku and co. are learning it for the first time too. Here in the U.S., it was on a fairly convenient time on television too- right after school ended. So every day of the school week you could sit your rear end in front of the TV, turn on Toonami, watch DBZ and then go do homework or whatever.
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What I meant was, he doesn't snap at Batman or something just as a result of being physically tired the way one might say something kinda catty to their spouse just because they had a bad day. (As in, he's a paragon of virtue we can't hope to emulate due to our human failings.) I didn't make that explicit as I should have though, and that is a sweet fight scene. Also, to be clear, I'm speaking about how likely it is for either franchise to be cherished in the heart of someone because of their fond memories of it from their preteen/teen years. I know that it's quite possible to come to love Supes as an adult - I didn't "get" Superman until I was well into college.
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So Dabura's spit turns people to stone? Thanks, Supreme Kai. Thanks for telling us that after he spits on two people. I can already foresee problems for this entire adventure.
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Branching off from continuity, there's also the fact that there's simply less media (comics/manga, movies, cartoons/anime) about Goku than there is about Superman by a wide margin. Even a great idea or character can get boring if you see it, or him, too much. DBZ is also primarily Goku's story, but there's plenty of episodes of the anime that he's not in at all, or plays a very minor role in. By comparison, Superman tends to be the focus of things (in general, I know there are plenty of exceptions) even in a team-up or justice league book, simply because he's Superman. Raxivace posted:I think Xibanya hit the nail on the head with the easy access thing. You could just jump straight into DBZ, and if you do it at the beginning you're learning a ton of new stuff as Goku and co. are learning it for the first time too. Yeah, that was definitely a big part of my childhood. I distinctly remember sitting in front of the T.V. after school and gushing to my mom about the Goku vs. Frieza fight.
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YggiDee posted:So Dabura's spit turns people to stone? Thanks, Supreme Kai. Thanks for telling us that after he spits on two people. I can already foresee problems for this entire adventure. Expect a lot of that. Supreme Kais are very good at telling you the most important detail AFTER it would be good to know. Just you wait. Just you wait.
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Covok posted:Expect a lot of that. Supreme Kais are very good at telling you the most important detail AFTER it would be good to know. Just you wait. Just you wait. And in one major moment, pulling that poo poo ON THEMSELVES. "Oh and potara fusions are permanent."
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NowonSA posted:Branching off from continuity, there's also the fact that there's simply less media (comics/manga, movies, cartoons/anime) about Goku than there is about Superman by a wide margin. Even a great idea or character can get boring if you see it, or him, too much. DBZ is also primarily Goku's story, but there's plenty of episodes of the anime that he's not in at all, or plays a very minor role in. By comparison, Superman tends to be the focus of things (in general, I know there are plenty of exceptions) even in a team-up or justice league book, simply because he's Superman. I'm addressing the issue of multimedia brand presentation in my next effortpost (its focus is in part on the way managing intellectual property is a balancing act of maintaining brand exposure while avoiding brand oversaturation) but I have plenty of friends who like Spiderman and can't wait to see more Spiderman movies; my best friend's fiance loooooooves Spiderman and reads every issue (lives in another town so my reason for drugging and interneting myself into an early grave still stand). Spider-man is in a shitload of media. Furthermore, I have a boatload of friends who will rave about the 90s X-Men cartoon and buy X-men video games, even if they don't read any X-men ongoing comics. And don't get me started on Batman. Everyone loves Batman. His 90s animated series was baller (and watched by everyone) and the video games are even moreso (and played by everyone). We all want more Spiderman, X-men, and Batman. We don't want more Superman. Why? Spidey, Bats, and the X-men are all anti-establishment. If you're a modern kid, do you really want to be with the establishment? If you're a racial minority, gay, an immigrant, sort of funny looking, a latchkey child, just kind of a rebel shithead, or whatever, the answer is no. Supes has a reputation, deserved or no, for being establishment. Even if you can run a bunch of what-if stories and little side stories where a different aspect of Superman is explored, you will never see a cartoon, video game, or movie feature a genuinely fresh take on the character. You won't even know if, let's say, a story about what would happen if Supes landed in the USSR as a baby even existed unless you were already somehow plugged into the comic book scene. If you were some kid who didn't already read comics and who didn't have a friend or family member who read comics, you wouldn't say to your parents, "take me to the comic book store, for I hear there will be an alternate take on Superman that I will like more than the established version of the character." And unorthodox takes on the character will always be comics-only. The reason why to be elaborated soon. (Have to go afk for a bit...) EDIT: to Blue Star, thanks for the feedback! I will be discussing internet in my promised effortpost about corporate! Also, foil variant covers. But to be honest, I would say the internet does not account for the DB franchise's global success. My best friend from high school is from Brownsville, Texas, and she had all the DBZ movies on videotape. Her family was also broke as poo poo and she never had a computer (she still doesn't actually. She uses her phone exclusively for what I usually do with a computer). Mexicans gonna watch DBZ man, they won't let things like a lack of internet stop them. I would actually say what makes the internet significant is not so much because it fueled DBZ fandom (though it undeniably played a huge role in fandom in the United States) but because it was yet another alternative to comic books as a form of entertainment. Xibanya fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Mar 18, 2015 |
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That's a fascinating analysis, Xibanya. I'd tweak it a little to include people born a little earlier than 1985, maybe close to 1980. I was born in December 1983 and for me Superman was just sort've there. I enjoyed the WB animated Batman and Superman shows but DBZ completely ensnared me when I first saw it in 1997. One thing I think you left out, though, is the rise of the internet in the 90s and early 2000s. I think that might've been a factor to DBZ's success. Because even if there weren't a lot of other kids to discuss DBZ at school you could still go online and talk about it.
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WickedHate posted:Dragon Ball has an extremely diverse fandom. Even within the United States, there's an absolutely huge African-American fanbase, and there are a couple DBZ references in rap. That's why it's such a big deal for Toonami right now, because even people who don't care about anime love the hell out of Dragon Ball. It's universal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtM8XCXSCiM Cotton candy, Majin Buu.
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150+ new posts so I thought there would be a new DBZA dammit guys
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bowmore posted:150+ new posts so I thought there would be a new DBZA If it helps, the did release a video saying Future of the Trunks is near release (just sickness as Goons said), and the other episodes are nearly done and trying to aim for releasing a new episode every month.
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bowmore posted:150+ new posts so I thought there would be a new DBZA Sorry you can't handle all this Revival F hype.
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Webbeh posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtM8XCXSCiM please only post good rap in this thread tia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kgpbHdbZA0
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Amorphous Blob posted:Does Marvel even have anyone who could fight DBZ level guys? Yeah, Marvel has a ton of characters who are way behind DBZ levels of power, especially once you start getting into cosmic Marvel stories.
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YggiDee posted:So Dabura's spit turns people to stone? Thanks, Supreme Kai. Thanks for telling us that after he spits on two people. I can already foresee problems for this entire adventure. Seriously, Abridged is going to get so much mileage out of how awful Supreme Kai is at his job Also on the topic of Abridged, I think we can all agree episode 18 is one of the funniest, so many good gags in that one
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drrockso20 posted:Seriously, Abridged is going to get so much mileage out of how awful Supreme Kai is at his job Even now as I am reading your reply it happens again.  "Yakon eats light energy. " This would have been useful to know twelve seconds ago!
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Guys. I think I figured it out. Future Trunks is a Supreme Kai.
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Superman vs. Goku Part 1: Introduction Superman vs. Goku Part 2: Why did we like Superman then but like Goku more now? Even if there was less Superman, you still wouldn't like him as much as you like Goku Original Thesis: Superman is less appealing to modern audiences than Goku because of two unfortunate flaws: first, his core qualities are tied to a presentation that is not as appealing or relevant to modern audiences; second, there are huge pressures preventing any change to the fundamental aspects of Superman's presentation. We've discussed why Goku's presentation resonates on a deep level to modern audiences while Superman's does not. Now I'm going to discuss why it's impossible to "fix" Superman in the sense of making his character really grab audiences the way it once did in the mid 20th century. So, about Supes. He's a household name in a way that Goku doesn't come close to matching. If the Scarlet Pimpernel is the granddaddy of all superheroes, Superman is THE daddy of all superheroes. The tropemaker and trendsetter. Yet he's kinda not fun. Surely the rich guys who run DC comics can hire some consultants to help them punch it up a bit (  ) so what gives? Part of it is that Superman is not really the character or the story. Superman is a brand. You know immediately what he looks like. You know what he talks like and acts like. He's practically the mascot of American comics, the mascot of DC comics in all but name. Yeah, he has a comic, but the money that brings in is peanuts compared with the merchandise. You got toys, picture books, costumes, PJs, T-shirts, movies, movie tie-ins, video games, mugs, keychains, etc etc etc. People who don't even give a flying gently caress about Superman probably have at least one Superman branded item in their home. (I have Superman PJs my mom bought me. She doesn't even know I like comics.) You can't change the way Superman looks because then you kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. Oh yeah, sometimes you get a costume revamp or whatever, but that's always comics-only and while you can get some kind of deluxe 10" figure of Supes in the new costume, it never bleeds out into mainstream merch. And inevitably the new design in the comic is reverted back to the classic design to great fanfare (often accompanied by the comic trumpeting "You asked, we listend!"). In short, changing Superman will damage the brand and make the shareholder's less money, at least in the short run. But money aside, fans won't allow any changes to be made to the character. You can't change Superman, he's always been that way! Even though for decades now Superman has existed on echo nostalgia - you have to go back to the early 1930s to get to a time where there is not a single person who can claim to have fond memories of reading Superman as a child. As a recent and concrete example of how you can't even change things very much for a character seen as "nostalgic," even in an out of continuity story, look no father than the "Epic Mickey" video game. Mickey Mouse suffers from a similar issue. He used to be a scrappy trickster a la Bugs Bunny but became sanitized over the years to the point of basically being a living saint. Early press for the game promised that it would be a return to Mickey's roots when he could actually have flaws and moral failings. The game purported to have a morality system where if you acted good, Mickey would look like a shining beacon of virtue, and if you acted bad, Mickey would start to look mean. This got thrown out before release because play testers hated the idea that Mickey could be anything less than a paragon of virtue. http://www.1up.com/news/scrapper-mickey-removed-disney-epic quote:Disney Epic Mickey focuses on the mouse's ability to make choices, resulting in a good heroic Mickey, or an evil "scrapper" Mickey (above) -- or at least, it used to. The Mainichi Daily News reports (via Joystiq) that the mean-looking mouse is being removed from the game after Junction Point found he did poorly in focus testing. Instead, bad behaviors like theft and erasure (i.e. cartoon murder) will result in a smudgy look. You can bet that people who don't even give a gently caress about Superman comics, people who have never ever read comics, would flip if you made any kind of change to the character. If you need more proof, just look at the hysteria in the 90s over the "Death of Superman" (when savvy fans all knew he'd be back eventually) or non-fans freaking out over the dissolution of Peter and MJ's marriage in Spider-Man (I'm not fond of the plot twist myself, but they stayed married in the other versions of the franchise, why are all you normals gettin' mad?) SO, that brings me back to Goku. I believe that the DBZ franchise is far from over. I'd say these movies and DB Kai are testing the waters for a more modern series. DBZ will go on. And there may come a time when modern audiences cannot relate to Goku. Given that Toei's answer was to literally revisit Goku's childhood instead of finding a way forward, you can bet that if that time comes, Goku will stagnate just as Superman has done for all the reasons outlined above. (Goku appears in public service announcements and soft drink commercials? No way he's ever going to appreciably change in appearance or get replaced by a younger character.) And if they tried, fans worldwide would scream bloody murder. Closing remarks to follow.
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For a guy who was built up as ridiculous powerful and important, Supreme Kai sure spends a lot of time freaking out about a lot of people who aren't Majin Buu.
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Shindragon posted:If it helps, the did release a video saying Future of the Trunks is near release (just sickness as Goons said), and the other episodes are nearly done and trying to aim for releasing a new episode every month. Pretty sure Kaiser was saying that the episodes are nearly done being written, they still have to do the actual work of getting the lines and editing it all.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:For a guy who was built up as ridiculous powerful and important, Supreme Kai sure spends a lot of time freaking out about a lot of people who aren't Majin Buu. Doesn't he say he's something like 5x as strong as Frieza? I vaguely remember that and  if I'm correct
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Mar 18, 2015 02:53
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Genocyber posted:Doesn't he say he's something like 5x as strong as Frieza? I vaguely remember that and I choose to believe he's mistaken about that as well.
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Mar 18, 2015 02:56
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Genocyber posted:Doesn't he say he's something like 5x as strong as Frieza? I vaguely remember that and Imagine what would happen if he trained. Edit: Honestly, the Supreme Kai needs to hang out with Raiden from Mortal Kombat.
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Mar 18, 2015 02:57
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i was trying to see if i could find a video with that, and found this comment instead "He's cool looking and yaoi worthy, but he's weak as gently caress." Made me 
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Just finished watching all of dbz. I went from knowing nothing about dbz to knowing lots about dbz within a week, and it feels great. I also liked it immensely from beginning to end, filler included. It's a really neat show. One question, though. What's a Broly?
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