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Stexils
Jun 5, 2008

hello thread I bought a puppy and she will be ready to come home in a month, this is my second dog and I don't want to repeat the mistakes I made with my first dog. basically I want to socialize her a lot but the breeder is extremely explicit that the dog can't be outside until she's four months old and is fully vaccinated. my thinking is obviously I don't want to bring her to areas with lots of other dogs or super public venues, but I don't know how closely I should follow the breeder's instructions. I'm sure my backyard is fine but beyond that I don't know. she'll be under 15 pounds fully grown if that makes any difference.

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Tamarillo
Aug 6, 2009

Hog Inspector posted:

hello thread I bought a puppy and she will be ready to come home in a month, this is my second dog and I don't want to repeat the mistakes I made with my first dog. basically I want to socialize her a lot but the breeder is extremely explicit that the dog can't be outside until she's four months old and is fully vaccinated. my thinking is obviously I don't want to bring her to areas with lots of other dogs or super public venues, but I don't know how closely I should follow the breeder's instructions. I'm sure my backyard is fine but beyond that I don't know. she'll be under 15 pounds fully grown if that makes any difference.

I am no dog expert but I took my puppy every-frickin-where from the moment I got him. My breeder said not to let him off the property until he was 12 weeks old and I nodded a lot and promptly took him out to busy streets, the beach, friends houses etc. The only allowance I made was that for the busy streets I was carrying him because he was tiny and I didn't want him to freak the gently caress out at cars etc while he was still very new to vehicle noise. The second he was vaccinated at 12 weeks he was thrown on a plane and came on holiday with us for 2 weeks and visited even MORE places.

adebisi lives
Nov 11, 2009
I think the conventional wisdom is that it's better to take calculated risks with a puppy that isn't fully vaccinated so that you can socialize it without exposing it to parvo or other diseases. For mine I've let her out around my townhouse and other fairly private residential areas along with petco where I'm assuming they bleach the floors regularly. Sure there is still some risk there but it's better than your dog being treated like a sensory deprived veal cattle until it's 4 months old. My rule of thumb is to ask myself how likely a place is frequented by sketchy dogs that could have poo poo parvo all over the place and go from there. You can certainly get away with taking a puppy everywhere and not have it get sick but it happens enough that I'd still try to have a little caution.

wtftastic
Jul 24, 2006

"In private, we will be mercifully free from the opinions of imbeciles and fools."

Hog Inspector posted:

hello thread I bought a puppy and she will be ready to come home in a month, this is my second dog and I don't want to repeat the mistakes I made with my first dog. basically I want to socialize her a lot but the breeder is extremely explicit that the dog can't be outside until she's four months old and is fully vaccinated. my thinking is obviously I don't want to bring her to areas with lots of other dogs or super public venues, but I don't know how closely I should follow the breeder's instructions. I'm sure my backyard is fine but beyond that I don't know. she'll be under 15 pounds fully grown if that makes any difference.

I would say that more socialization is better than carefully sequestering the dog. If you are nervous about having the small pup on the ground (or you live somewhere with parvo) you can always carry your dog or limit their trips to small outtings initially. The more experience your pup has with car/bikes/loud people/facial hair etc, the less problematic these things will be for you later.

ImplicitAssembler
Jan 24, 2013

I see so many of those small dogs who are terrified of everything. Yeah, it's cute that they can be lifted up and carried away from 'danger', but I feel sorry for the pooch that's mortified by just about everything and don't really find it cute at all.

The Saboteur
Dec 25, 2005
My good friend Fink bought me this account for Christmas because he kicks ass.
My girlfriend got a 9 week old puppy that she can bring to work and take care of throughout the day but we're a little concerned about outside bathroom breaks. We're in NYC (the dumbo area) so there's not a great patch of grass or sidewalk that isn't really dirty or run through by other dogs.

Is she better off trying the wee pad during the week and letting her go inside, as opposed to going outside where germs might be a concern? Dog has not had shots yet.

Thanks!

a life less
Jul 12, 2009

We are healthy only to the extent that our ideas are humane.

I generally dislike pee pads. First off, they're kind of gross. Second off, you have to later teach the dog to eliminate properly outside (and convince them that area rugs are not pee pads). If you can avoid them, I'd recommend it.

If there's a genuine threat of a pre-vaccinated puppy getting ill, I'd set up a sort of gateway between living space and pee pad voiding space to help the pup generalize not pissing where it eats. A doorway or gate or exercise pen, etc can work.

cyberia
Jun 24, 2011

Do not call me that!
Snuffles was my slave name.
You shall now call me Snowball; because my fur is pretty and white.

Hog Inspector posted:

hello thread I bought a puppy and she will be ready to come home in a month, this is my second dog and I don't want to repeat the mistakes I made with my first dog. basically I want to socialize her a lot but the breeder is extremely explicit that the dog can't be outside until she's four months old and is fully vaccinated. my thinking is obviously I don't want to bring her to areas with lots of other dogs or super public venues, but I don't know how closely I should follow the breeder's instructions. I'm sure my backyard is fine but beyond that I don't know. she'll be under 15 pounds fully grown if that makes any difference.

I got my puppy when he was 8 weeks old and the first few months we went to puppy school where he could socialise with dogs the same age and vaccination level and we invited as many friends and family members as we could to come over for visits so he got to meet plenty of different people while minimising the risk of exposure to gross, unvaccinated dogs or parvo.

Stexils
Jun 5, 2008

cyberia posted:

I got my puppy when he was 8 weeks old and the first few months we went to puppy school where he could socialise with dogs the same age and vaccination level and we invited as many friends and family members as we could to come over for visits so he got to meet plenty of different people while minimising the risk of exposure to gross, unvaccinated dogs or parvo.

yeah i probably will end up doing this because i live in arizona which is apparently among the top 4 worst parvo states in the nation

alternatively, carrying because she'll weigh like 4 pounds

wtftastic
Jul 24, 2006

"In private, we will be mercifully free from the opinions of imbeciles and fools."

Hog Inspector posted:

yeah i probably will end up doing this because i live in arizona which is apparently among the top 4 worst parvo states in the nation

alternatively, carrying because she'll weigh like 4 pounds

Carrying will be helpful to get the dog familiar with cars/ traffic/ bikes/ etc. I know its a pain in the rear end, but its probably worth doing.

PartyCrown
Dec 31, 2007

Ytlaya posted:

I agree entirely with most of what you are saying, even if it may be pretty harsh. I keep telling my parents that he is very overweight and that they need to give him less treats, but at the end of the day I don't really have much control over that. The same thing applies to the nails and stuff; I try to keep bringing up finding a vet that we can bring him to (though I'm not sure if I can really blame the ones who aren't willing to treat him due to him needing to be put under full anesthesia for something as simple as trimming his nails). I actually asked my mom earlier if there were any behavioral issues in his family history, and apparently his mother was very poorly behaved and unstable as well. I have no idea why my parents made the decision to purchase him under those circumstances, but unfortunately I can't go back in time and do anything about that.

Also, to be clear about the biting, it's not a common thing at all. My friend had a dog when we were kids that was an rear end in a top hat and would just bite you constantly, but Cloud doesn't have a bad demeanor or anything. When he does bite, it's like an instinctive thing that he immediately regrets. There might be one incident every couple months of him growling, and I think it's been years since he's actually bitten anyone. But that's partly because we purposely avoid things that we know will prompt him to growl and potentially bite (like touch around his nose area or mess with his food). All that being said, the problem is that, with a dog his size, any biting at all, no matter how uncommon, is completely unacceptable.

We had a female malamute before Cloud (that we got when I was 5 and I grew up with) that never had any of these problems and was fine with going to the vet, etc. She had a very calm, easy-going demeanor. I think that my parents were kind of spoiled by this and as a result not remotely prepared to properly deal with a dog with the issues Cloud has/had.

If it seems like I'm pushing off the blame here, it's because, well, I am; I didn't live near my parents for the first few years after they bought Cloud and wasn't involved in the decision to purchase him. After Cloud passes away, I will definitely do everything I can to make sure that they don't make another mistake with the next dog they get. I think that they'll definitely get some dog, so there's no much I can do about that, but I can at least recommend a less difficult, independent breed than a malamute.

The whole situation is really depressing. Even though some of the replies I got were kind of hyperbolic (I don't think my parents are terrible people who deserve to be euthanized just because they ignorantly assumed that another malamute would automatically be as easy-going as our previous dog), it did make a big enough impact that I'm going to try really hard to intervene with regards to how much we feed him and how often my parents give him treats.

How old is Cloud? With that weight being paired with a giant breed, it's very possible that he's got some pretty serious arthritis going on that could be adding to the issue.
I'd try explaining to your folks that if there is an underlying issue like arthritis causing pain, which could very well then make him a cranky fucker, one of the best and most immediate ways to help him feel better would be for him to go on a diet to get all that weight off of his poor joints. Once the weight is off, it'll be a lot easier to look/feel him over for swelling and paint points and stuff.

Abutiu
Oct 21, 2013

Hog Inspector posted:

yeah i probably will end up doing this because i live in arizona which is apparently among the top 4 worst parvo states in the nation

alternatively, carrying because she'll weigh like 4 pounds

Discuss this with your vet too. I live in an area with a big parvo problem and the shelter I volunteer with actually has a sheet about how to socialize puppies without exposing them to it. It's basically a list of "Don't take your unvaccinated dog here ever" sites (dog parks, etc.) and then ways to manage risk (like here there is a particular part of the city with a lot of parvo cases so they don't recommend walking puppies there, but if you're outside that area and stick to sidewalks as much as possible you're much safer). Your vet might have some similar suggestions about where it's safe to walk in your town.

Or yeah, just carry her. :)

Tamarillo
Aug 6, 2009
Quick question - 6 month old Sterling (sheltie) lost his poo poo after meeting my sister's boyfriend for the first time yesterday. He's normally a bit reserved with people but when the poor guy came into the room Sterling started a boofboof warning bark and wouldn't let him near him.

Not content to let my dog arbitrarily decide he doesn't like people, I gave the boyfriend a handful of meat that Sterling was spinning corkscrews over when other people were offering it to him, but he wouldn't even take meat from him. Eventually he did nibble a little bit, but only after approaching with extreme caution, hunched low to the ground and stretching out as far as he could toward him without having to actually step closer. He ran away as soon as he had the meat.

What the actual gently caress? Boyfriend is going to be Mr Happy Funtimes Treat Dispenser from now on but I don't get how/why Sterling would just 100% hate him on sight? Boyfriend wasn't wearing any scary clothes or anything else I'd consider new/scary to set him off, apparently he just hates his face?

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


Have your sister sever; dogs know character.

Triangulum
Oct 3, 2007

by Lowtax
Does he have a beard or was he wearing a hat or sunglasses? Is he a different race than most of the people the dog is around? Sometimes poo poo like that really trips dogs out. The first time my husband cut his mohawk off, our puppy absolutely lost his poo poo and thought a stranger had broken in the house :lol:

Tamarillo
Aug 6, 2009
Nope, same ethnicity and he was just wearing shorts and tshirt, looking no different than any of the countless other men Sterling has met so far. Only point of difference I can think of was that he'd just come from the gym so was probably a bit sweaty.

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer

Tamarillo posted:

Nope, same ethnicity and he was just wearing shorts and tshirt, looking no different than any of the countless other men Sterling has met so far. Only point of difference I can think of was that he'd just come from the gym so was probably a bit sweaty.

That was probably it. Thor doesn't recognize me after I work out and stands outside the bathroom door barking until I get out of the shower and thinks I have killed and disposed of the intruder in there.

a life less
Jul 12, 2009

We are healthy only to the extent that our ideas are humane.

The dog was too far over threshold to be taking treats directly from your boyfriend. Approaching the issue like that stands a good chance of further intensifying the fear. Asking the dog to take food from his hand was way too much too fast. Next time, just toss food around at a good distance from the guy. Maybe you be the one to feed, rather than him, while the dog works through the worst of the fear.

Tamarillo
Aug 6, 2009
Thanks for the info; I am very New To Dog so I'm a bit clueless. I will try a more gradual approach.

Verisimilidude
Dec 20, 2006

Strike quick and hurry at him,
not caring to hit or miss.
So that you dishonor him before the judges



So my puppy has been in an E-collar for the past week, and I took it off today to find that her ears are still propped up as they were when she was in the collar. I know it's only a week, but this can't be permanent right?

thatbastardken
Apr 23, 2010

A contract signed by a minor is not binding!
why was your dog in an e-collar?

also please clarify what you mean by e-collar?

a life less
Jul 12, 2009

We are healthy only to the extent that our ideas are humane.

Elizabethan collar, probably.

Not likely permanent. Puppy ears do all sorts of weird things when they're teething. You can modify ear set slightly if you know what you're doing and if it means a lot to you.

Verisimilidude
Dec 20, 2006

Strike quick and hurry at him,
not caring to hit or miss.
So that you dishonor him before the judges



thatbastardken posted:

why was your dog in an e-collar?

also please clarify what you mean by e-collar?

Her spay suture ruptured at doggy daycare and got infected. She's fine now, on her last few days of antibiotics.

These Greenies pill pockets work great, but they make me feel like I'm roofying my dog.

Verisimilidude fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Mar 21, 2015

thatbastardken
Apr 23, 2010

A contract signed by a minor is not binding!
oh, right, a cone of shame sort of thing.

that makes way more sense than what I thought.

Problem!
Jan 1, 2007

I am the queen of France.

a life less posted:

Elizabethan collar, probably.

Is that why they're called E-collars? In my mind I decided the E stood for Emergency :downs:

Abutiu
Oct 21, 2013
I never really got the point of those special pill pockets treats because you can just buy like a $2 pack of hotdogs at the grocery store then cut them up and slip pills into the pieces. I have a dog who will eat around almost any pill delivery system but even he gulps down a bit of hotdog with a pill stuffed in it.

Pill pockets are probably healthier though.

ImplicitAssembler
Jan 24, 2013

I just put peanut butter on the pills and they disappear.

Abutiu
Oct 21, 2013
Mine just lick around the pill if I use peanut butter, but it did make me think of another advantage of pill pockets: less mess. I have to wash my hands after using my patented hotdog method because otherwise my hands smell like hotdogs.

Instant Jellyfish
Jul 3, 2007

Actually not a fish.



Peanut butter + spoon + pills= easy daily pilling for 4+ years now. I used to spend a fortune on pill pockets then I tried making my own but peanut butter spoon works every time.

Abutiu
Oct 21, 2013
Why do my dogs know how to lick around pills? :mad: Scooter gets the pill in his mouth with that method but he mouths it around enough that he's able to eat the peanut butter and spit out a clean (except dog spit) pill. I have to give him something he'll gulp quickly enough to not notice the pill, hence the hotdog.

Ultimate Shrek Fan
May 2, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Use crunchy peanut butter for maximum results.

Xtanstic
Nov 23, 2007

I put a pill of Fish Oil with my dog's morning kibble. The first few times he'd wolf it down. Nowadays, he'll pick the pill out, eat his kibble, then bring his pill to his favorite spot (where he eats his chews and kongs) and snack on the pill as desert. :3:

beefnoodle
Aug 7, 2004

IGNORE ME! I'M JUST AN OLD WET RAG
Years of medicating large-breeds with cancer has taught us that even pill pockets and PB lose their effectiveness. Only liverwurst has had staying power.

Rurutia
Jun 11, 2009
Fish oil tastes like fish so that makes sense.

Only thing my dog doesn't eat around is string cheese. I break off a little, press it in, then roll it in my fingers til it's a ball. And even then, sometimes she'll chew it and then find the pill and spit that out and eat the rest.

Math You
Oct 27, 2010

So put your faith
in more than steel
Shove it in the back of their mouth and close it (the mouth). PILL GONE.

I could see some dogs not liking that but Ellie doesn't care. Probably because she knows she'll get a good treat for her trouble.

beefnoodle
Aug 7, 2004

IGNORE ME! I'M JUST AN OLD WET RAG
Hah. One of my cancer dogs gets 5 pills 4+ times a day. The back of the mouth technique stopped working a long time ago.

7seven7
May 19, 2006

I barfed because you looked in my eyes!
Howdy, thread. I've read through the OP, all of the other appropriate reading, and raised dogs before, but not found anything specific regarding what I'm looking for.



This adorable little thing is coming to live with us in a few weeks. We're well prepared for her arrival, but the only problem is that she lives in Wales and we live in Nottingham. I was thinking about renting a car to go and pick her up, but it'll be a four hour drive to get her home. Will this be too stressful for her? I figure we can put some tarpaulin down on the back seat for when she eliminates, bring lots of toys and treats to reduce stress and take lots of stops to lighten the load a bit.

I'm hesitant to put her in a carry crate for the journey as she'll be very young and I don't want her first prolonged exposure to us to be an overwhelmingly negative one. Will she be OK sitting in the back seat with my partner there to reassure her? I've read that putting dogs in the seatwell is the preferred method for travelling in the UK, but I've seen a lot of my friend's dogs panting and being stressed by that even on short journeys.

Fraction
Mar 27, 2010

CATS RULE DOGS DROOL

FERRETS ARE ALSO PRETTY MEH, HONESTLY


Put the puppy in a crate in the back seat, have partner sit in the back seat and poke fingers through the bar to reassure her or something. Although you don't want her to be sad in the car back, you sure as poo poo don't want her to go splat against the window if you have to slam your brakes on or something. You can start getting her used to wearing a harness and seatbelt attachment once she's with you for safe travel, but for now the priority is getting her back safely - and that means with her being confined, not loose.

Tramii
Jun 22, 2005

He's a hawk. A hawk. Can't you tell just by looking at him?

7seven7 posted:

I'm hesitant to put her in a carry crate for the journey as she'll be very young and I don't want her first prolonged exposure to us to be an overwhelmingly negative one.

Get a carry crate and put a soft blanket inside. Then cover the crate with another blanket. Your pup won't see a cage. Instead she will see a nice, warm, comfortable den to sleep in.

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McCloud24
May 23, 2008

You call yourself a knight; what is that?
My dog is not interested in eating the last couple of days. He normally is fed twice a day a combination of wet and dry food. Ate MOST of his breakfast yesterday, would not eat dinner at all. Today he will not eat his breakfast at all, even when it's all wet food. Isn't showing any signs of being sick, he's peeing and pooping fine. He's been on amoxicillin for the last couple of days as a preventative thing after he was bitten by a tick, and I wondered if that might be upsetting his stomach. My other theory is that he was at my mother-in-law's the other day while we were celebrating St. Patrick's Day on Sunday, and he was given the type of food her dogs get, which is basically a home cooked combination of vegetables and ground meat. He ate that just fine, and I wondered if maybe he isn't interested in his own food because he liked that (he gets a high quality food, but it is still kibbles and wet food. Anyway, just wondering if this is something I should be worried about or if he'll probably sort himself out. Again, no signs I recognize of being sick or hurt.

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