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Mar 18, 2015 20:53
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zoux posted:Under who's run was it that Doom delivered Valeria? Carlos Pachec, Rafael Marin, Karl Kesel
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Mar 18, 2015 20:56
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Waterhaul posted:The secret is for people to not continually harass anybody over liking/disliking different comics. Why so many people in comics find this hard to believe or do The problem is people can't separate art from the artist. So you'll get scenarios where someone criticizes a piece of art then everyone jumps in defending the artist then everyone starts mocking each other. And it's hard because any creative endeavor is very personal. But I hate a lot of work from people I respect, so does everyone else.
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Mar 18, 2015 21:12
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http://comicsalliance.com/ask-chris-being-part-of-the-problem/ well it looks like he offered a more in-depth apology. Not sure how I feel about it, which sucks since I've always enjoyed his stuff.
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Mar 18, 2015 21:16
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al-azad posted:The problem is people can't separate art from the artist. So you'll get scenarios where someone criticizes a piece of art then everyone jumps in defending the artist then everyone starts mocking each other. I agree with what you say, except that I feel that you can't separate the art from the artist. If only in the sense that the artist is directly affected if people consume his art (monetary gain, exposure, influence, etc.)
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Mar 18, 2015 21:21
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al-azad posted:The problem is people can't separate art from the artist. So you'll get scenarios where someone criticizes a piece of art then everyone jumps in defending the artist then everyone starts mocking each other. People are a lot more willing to forgive an artist they already like, and are a lot more willing to forgive an artist who learns from their mistakes and becomes a better person for it. For me at least it's the reason I can still read a Chris Sims article but won't touch a book by Orson Scott Card. One thing I have noticed on the internet lately though is the rush to forever condemn someone regardless of what happens next. Nowadays people are more than willing to always associate bad things a celebrity/person in power has done with something negative, instead of acknowledging that the person made a mistake and learned from it. WickedHate posted:My dad, who also likes comics, prefers physical copies, and most issues we just read in the store because we are remarkably poor. Respect. I have comixology but I still buy certain floppies just because I like sharing them with my friends.
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Mar 18, 2015 21:37
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I just don't think of artists as people. It's for the best.
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Mar 18, 2015 21:48
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Vincent posted:I agree with what you say, except that I feel that you can't separate the art from the artist. If only in the sense that the artist is directly affected if people consume his art (monetary gain, exposure, influence, etc.) That's certainly true, I just want to get over the mentality that you can't hate a person's work without also hating that person, their family, their pets, and every single person who reads their work. I guess the irony of controversy is that it puts the art in question in front of a larger audience. So really artwork that stirs the pot is doing its job.
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Mar 18, 2015 21:51
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Speaking of, Phil Noto is a tiny person.
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Mar 18, 2015 21:51
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zoux posted:Speaking of, Phil Noto is a tiny person. Like, just short or overall? Tiny hands? Little head?
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Mar 18, 2015 22:13
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Ugh these reddit motherfuckers are being huge assholes about the pulled Batgirl cover.
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Mar 18, 2015 22:44
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Lurdiak posted:Ugh these reddit motherfuckers.... I think I have found the source of the problem.
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Mar 18, 2015 23:35
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I try really hard to avoid those internet circles, but they always filter thru.
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Mar 18, 2015 23:37
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Lurdiak posted:Ugh these reddit motherfuckers are being huge assholes about the pulled Batgirl cover. BSS appears to be the only place where we realize how inappropriate it was tp put that cover on the current run of the book.
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Mar 19, 2015 00:30
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Rhyno posted:BSS appears to be the only place where we realize how inappropriate it was tp put that cover on the current run of the book. drat, I don't really go anywhere else so I wouldn't know. Comic fans suck. 
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Mar 19, 2015 00:39
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Duder at my local was mad the cover got pulled. He agreed it was creepy, agreed it was inappropriate for the book, agreed it was making the two women he was talking with uncomfortable, agreed that the artist himself wanted it pulled, and was still mad about censorship. Apparently critics of the cover getting death threats meant that pulling the cover was Letting The Terrorists Win or something?  It was a baffling conversation.
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Mar 19, 2015 00:52
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WickedHate posted:drat, I don't really go anywhere else so I wouldn't know. Comic fans suck. You must be really naive if you didn't think that was the case.
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Mar 19, 2015 00:53
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al-azad posted:That's certainly true, I just want to get over the mentality that you can't hate a person's work without also hating that person, their family, their pets, and every single person who reads their work.  Anyone knows of a good book on female comic creator? I have Pretty in Ink in my sights already.
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Mar 19, 2015 01:00
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IShallRiseAgain posted:You must be really naive if you didn't think that was the case. Nah, I know the "hardcore" crowd is like that.
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Mar 19, 2015 01:25
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A Tin Of Beans posted:Duder at my local was mad the cover got pulled. He agreed it was creepy, agreed it was inappropriate for the book, agreed it was making the two women he was talking with uncomfortable, agreed that the artist himself wanted it pulled, and was still mad about censorship. Apparently critics of the cover getting death threats meant that pulling the cover was Letting The Terrorists Win or something? I have a customer voicing the same things. Its getting hard to deal with him. I did get him yo agree that it wasn't censorship.
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Mar 19, 2015 02:16
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Rhyno posted:I have a customer voicing the same things. Its getting hard to deal with him. I did get him yo agree that it wasn't censorship. If anyone missed it, Rafael Albuquerque came out and said that his initial design was less evocative of sexual violence and whoever manages these things at DC asked him to make it more sinister. I expect it still would've been pretty wrongheaded to even reference Killing Joke at all, but I'm curious to see what he had.
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Mar 19, 2015 03:10
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Straight Outta CompUSA posted:I really can't fathom why anyone that doesn't read this comic is mad that they pulled a cover that offends and alienates their fanbase and target audience, especially since the artist asked that they pull it and the creators never wanted it. Censorship this, freedom of speech that.  You'd think if they cared so much about that they'd listen to the people actually involved in creating the drat thing. They're like the kind of Pro-Life people who protest outside clinics.
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Mar 19, 2015 03:15
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Mar 19, 2015 03:20
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Still rapey, but her being angry and defiant is certainly better. Still shouldn't have been used anyway. Also proves the point people made that I cannot imagine an editor going "Can you make it so Batman's terrified and sobbing in this piece?"
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Mar 19, 2015 03:21
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One of the actual Batgirl comics today happened to have the perfect response to the cover. Also in today's Batman Eternal when she's dragging in Joker's Daughter saying she really needed to punch that face (or something) e:  That character literally wearing The Joker's cut off face if ya weren't hip. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Mar 19, 2015 |
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Mar 19, 2015 04:19
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Few things in comics annoy me as much as the idea of a character literally named "The Joker's Daughter".
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Mar 19, 2015 04:29
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Chinaman7000 posted:Few things in comics annoy me as much as the idea of a character literally named "The Joker's Daughter".
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Mar 19, 2015 04:36
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She was supposed to get her own series as DC wanted her to become the next Harley Quinn. Thankfully somebody at DC quietly killed it.
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Mar 19, 2015 04:38
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Chinaman7000 posted:Few things in comics annoy me as much as the idea of a character literally named "The Joker's Daughter". Duella Dent, the Joker's Daughter (who is actually the Riddler's niece or something) is purestrain Comic Book. But this new Joker's Daughter who is some kind of morlock cutter who escaped from a creepy rapecult is... Very DC!
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Mar 19, 2015 04:41
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Chinaman7000 posted:Few things in comics annoy me as much as the idea of a character literally named "The Joker's Daughter". They tried so hard to make her the breakout character of the year but everything about her was so terrible. As crappy as Suicide Squad has been (please be better, Suicide Squad) it was pretty amusing having Harley try kill JD repeatedly.
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Mar 19, 2015 04:44
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Madkal posted:They tried so hard to make her the breakout character of the year but everything about her was so terrible. As crappy as Suicide Squad has been (please be better, Suicide Squad) it was pretty amusing having Harley try kill JD repeatedly. That sounds fun, as long as Harley's treating it like a hobby. Like, this girl isn't her nemesis or anything, she's just this annoying chick that she has to put up with, and she'd like that to stop, so... murder!
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Mar 19, 2015 04:50
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It could be fun if she does like the original character, abandons the Joker fixation and reappears as "various other Gotham villain's" Daughter.
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Mar 19, 2015 04:53
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Teenage Fansub posted:It could be fun if she does like the original character, abandons the Joker fixation and reappears as "various other Gotham villain's" Daughter. Well it appears that she doesn't even have the real Joker face sewn into her own so hopefully she'll have a massive breakdown and disappear into obscurity.
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Mar 19, 2015 05:10
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E: I misread.
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Mar 19, 2015 05:18
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Gaz-L posted:Still rapey, but her being angry and defiant is certainly better. Still shouldn't have been used anyway. Also proves the point people made that I cannot imagine an editor going "Can you make it so Batman's terrified and sobbing in this piece?" I would love to see a Batman version of this cover done for a book in the vein of Arkham Asylum: A Serious House On Serious Earth. It totally works if the objective is communicating purestrain bat-horror within.
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Mar 19, 2015 05:21
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Rhyno posted:Well it appears that she doesn't even have the real Joker face sewn into her own so hopefully she'll have a massive breakdown and disappear into obscurity. I generally tend to stick with the mantra of "There are no bad characters, just bad writers" but yes, Joker's Daughter is in that rare Hall of Fame of Characters That Were Awful From Their Inception. For some reason the second one just makes me laugh. The angry expression just makes me think of Barbara's internal monologue as "Christ, this rear end in a top hat again?"
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Mar 19, 2015 05:27
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TwoPair posted:I generally tend to stick with the mantra of "There are no bad characters, just bad writers" but yes, Joker's Daughter is in that rare Hall of Fame of Characters That Were Awful From Their Inception. Jubilee.
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Mar 19, 2015 05:28
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Rhyno posted:Jubilee. You shut your god damned mouth.
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Mar 19, 2015 05:29
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Those work great sequentially, but the whole point of superhero comics is that they triumph over fears and low points. The original depicted that low point, just like Knightfall did with the iconic back-breaker. It makes their triumph mean something in the end.
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Mar 19, 2015 05:31
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TwoPair posted:For some reason the second one just makes me laugh. The angry expression just makes me think of Barbara's internal monologue as "Christ, this rear end in a top hat again?" This is literally my response every time Joker appears.
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