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Yeah, in my Destroyers and Cruisers, I've literally been hit by friendly torps more than enemy torpedoes. I'm quite good at dodging torpedo planes and planning my dodges ahead against destroyers/cruisers. But I never look behind me to check for torpedoes, because for some reason I think my allies aren't idiots.
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It's great when you're maneuvering in a BB or a fat cruiser and wind up turning right into some friendly torpedoes and then the guy who launched them gets really mad about it. It takes like an entire minute for me to turn 90 degrees, my skyscraper can't decide to stop a turn at the drop of a hat just because some idiot on my team decided to launch torpedoes at a target 5KM out of his range directly in the path I literally cannot deviate from because I have like a 10 KM turning circle.
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Mar 19, 2015 18:02
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I stopped getting mad about being hit by friendly torps after the fifth or sixth game. It's like getting angry about the sunrise. There's nothing you can do to stop it, and it's going to happen every day.
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Mar 19, 2015 18:06
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Historically accurate 10/10 Wargaming research team
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Mar 19, 2015 18:14
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NerdyMcNerdNerd posted:I stopped getting mad about being hit by friendly torps after the fifth or sixth game. It's like getting angry about the sunrise. There's nothing you can do to stop it, and it's going to happen every day. Friendly torpedoes are a force of nature, unpredictable and unavoidable, it's true.
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Mar 19, 2015 18:28
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NerdyMcNerdNerd posted:I stopped getting mad about being hit by friendly torps after the fifth or sixth game. It's like getting angry about the sunrise. There's nothing you can do to stop it, and it's going to happen every day. I don't know what I'm doing wrong, but I haven't ever been hit by friendly torps, even when I'm doing daring attacks from 1km away. BB tricks, shoot cruisers first. You're not going to one-shot a Fuso no matter how hard you try, but you can definitely blow up Clevelands and Omahas and clear up the lanes for DDs to make suicide runs. If you have competent DDs, they'll even survive!
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Mar 19, 2015 18:37
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Prav posted:Oh and while I'm thinking about user interface, I really wish I had a torpedo range circle in addition to the gun range one. And a surface detection range circle. And an air detection range circle. And a spotting range circle. Whole lotta circles. There is a range circle for torps. The dotted circle around your ship on the minimap is for either your guns or your torps. Depending on which is selected. Since noone talked about it, Wargaming offered a new video showing off the complete US tech tree. Midway will be jumping to tier 10 in place of the essex. The montana will be the tier 10 battleship. Yup, our first t10 paper ship. Though, I'll give credit in that it wasn't some napkin drawing by some random german engineer in a state of delusion like WoT has. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgQF8Z7mVjY Edit: actually, it depends on what point of video for the carrier t10. The first tech tree shot has a "coming soon" between the lexington and essex. While later during carrier specific talks, they show the midway at t10 and the essex at t9. JuffoWup fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Mar 19, 2015 |
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Mar 19, 2015 18:46
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JuffoWup posted:There is a range circle for torps. The dotted circle around your ship on the minimap is for either your guns or your torps. Depending on which is selected. Oh hey it does change. That'll be convenient.
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Mar 19, 2015 19:00
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No Yorktown? What is this poo poo? 
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Mar 19, 2015 19:05
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Insert name here posted:No Yorktown? What is this poo poo? A distinct lack of the Alaska too. Mazz fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Mar 19, 2015 |
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Mar 19, 2015 19:19
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Insert name here posted:No Yorktown? What is this poo poo? Its an essex class carrier you turbonerd.
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Mar 19, 2015 19:31
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Elmnt80 posted:Its an essex class carrier you turbonerd. The Yorktown class is separate from the Essex class, but I believe one of the Essex class was named Yorktown. Confusing poo poo actually.
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Mar 19, 2015 19:37
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santanotreal posted:The Yorktown class is separate from the Essex class, but I believe one of the Essex class was named Yorktown. Confusing poo poo actually. Didn't the US have the doctrine of rebuilding any ship that was sunk and give it the same name, therefore you had the original Yorktown class (Yroktown and Enterprise) and when the Yorktown was lost at Midway they named one of the new Essex carriers after her. Bit of a psychological thing vs Japan, "Hey look we can build stuff faster than you can shoot it".
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Mar 19, 2015 19:43
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Hey now the Hornet exists too! But yeah I don't know about doctrine or anything, but they also reused Lexington.santanotreal posted:The Yorktown class is separate from the Essex class, but I believe one of the Essex class was named Yorktown. Confusing poo poo actually.
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Mar 19, 2015 19:44
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Elmnt80 posted:Its an essex class carrier you turbonerd. The USS Yorktown (CV-5) was a Yorktown-class carrier that was sunk at Midway. The USS Yorktown (CV-10) was an Essex-class carrier launched less than a year later. This also confused the Japanese.
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Apparently if you pop Defensive Fire as a TB/DB group is going in on an attack run, it causes the aircraft to panic and make their Torpedoes or bombs go wild and not end up exactly where they were aimed? Or so I am told, I got a chance to try it out last round as a carrier was going after me and it did seem that the spread of the attack I popped it against was really wide. Not exactly a big sample size but can anyone confirm that's actually a thing?
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Mar 19, 2015 20:15
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JuffoWup posted:The tier 3 and 4 are heavy destroyers. According to wargaming text, they were intended to be lead destroyer. However, unlike the actual destroyers in the game, they lack smokescreen. I have been messing up a few bad players though that haven't catched that my hitch on cycling another volley was because I was launching my torps. I'm on the kuma right now btw. The tier 4. Guns are a wee bit weak compared to my phoenix. I blame that mainly on the kuma using 140s compared to the phoenix having 152s. That said, the torps on the kuma are 7km range (5km on the phoenix) and they actually reload at a pretty decent rate. Nothing sweeter than doing a narrow spread from 6km out (and thus, away from secondaries) to land all 6 torps. Nice, I see some T6 IJN cruisers doing good work most of the time. Weird there's a tier skip
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Mar 19, 2015 20:16
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Fart Car '97 posted:Apparently if you pop Defensive Fire as a TB/DB group is going in on an attack run, it causes the aircraft to panic and make their Torpedoes or bombs go wild and not end up exactly where they were aimed? Or so I am told, I got a chance to try it out last round as a carrier was going after me and it did seem that the spread of the attack I popped it against was really wide. Not exactly a big sample size but can anyone confirm that's actually a thing? That's a thing. While your planes are in range of a cruiser's barrage ability your attack angles get horribly wide for torps and the circle for divebombers also almost triples.
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Mar 19, 2015 20:19
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Hammerstein posted:That's a thing. While your planes are in range of a cruiser's barrage ability your attack angles get horribly wide for torps and the circle for divebombers also almost triples. It essentially makes carriers even worse. Your divebombs will all miss because of this. Haven't seen its affect on torps yet though.
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Mar 19, 2015 20:22
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JuffoWup posted:There is a range circle for torps. The dotted circle around your ship on the minimap is for either your guns or your torps. Depending on which is selected. Nice to see a video, hopefully my favorite battleboats will be here soon. Hope we get the Yorktowns soon, the original Yorktown is pretty much my favorite ship. Midways will be interesting. Kind of wonder what they're going to pull to match them. Maltas would probably work, and the follow on Taiho idea might as well, but I'm less sure there. In general though, paper ships are seriously well thought out, because there's estimates for a bunch of configurations that get made when they decide on what exactly a ship is going to be.
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Mar 19, 2015 20:23
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santanotreal posted:It essentially makes carriers even worse. Your divebombs will all miss because of this. Haven't seen its affect on torps yet though. A carrier just learned the hard way this is a thing  Fuso, Cleavland, Phoenix, Omaha.  Killed the carrier while I had about 300 health left as he launched his last TB squadron.
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Fart Car '97 posted:Apparently if you pop Defensive Fire as a TB/DB group is going in on an attack run, it causes the aircraft to panic and make their Torpedoes or bombs go wild and not end up exactly where they were aimed? Or so I am told, I got a chance to try it out last round as a carrier was going after me and it did seem that the spread of the attack I popped it against was really wide. Not exactly a big sample size but can anyone confirm that's actually a thing? You don't even need to pop defensive fire. It's any heavy AA will cause the TB to have a huge spread
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Insert name here posted:Wargaming likes having a million different trees if WoT is any indication. The USN has the capacity to create two distinct battleship trees from tier 3, two destroyer trees from tier 2, probably two cruiser trees from tier 2 and two carrier trees from tier 4, such was the volume of different designs constructed or at least proposed. Overwhelmingly more than any of the other nations, for obvious reasons.
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Mar 19, 2015 20:30
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Mazz posted:A distinct lack of the Alaska too. Is the Alaska going to be on the BB line or CA line?
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Delorence Fickle posted:Is the Alaska going to be on the BB line or CA line? Pretty sure I've read them saying somewhere the Alaska is in the battleship branch, and at a guess somewhere around tier 7 between the dreadnoughts and the treaty battleships. Ideally it would be in a distinct fast battleship branch headed by the Iowa class at 10. If you fudge out the fastest of the dreadnoughts and lead them into the original Lexington, you can make an entire fast battleship branch that uses only three paper warships and still have a standard battleship branch that has not a single paper ship in it. NTRabbit fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Mar 19, 2015 |
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Mar 19, 2015 20:32
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santanotreal posted:It essentially makes carriers even worse. Your divebombs will all miss because of this. Haven't seen its affect on torps yet though. The effect on TB is that it turns the normal straight line path into a cone who outside edge is about 3 or so times as wide as the the normal path. However the cone starts fairly small, so if you drop well its only going to cause you to miss one or two trops. Hagop fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Mar 19, 2015 |
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Mar 19, 2015 20:34
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NTRabbit posted:Pretty sure I've read them saying somewhere the Alaska is in the battleship branch, and at a guess somewhere around tier 7 between the dreadnoughts and the treaty battleships. Ideally it would be in a distinct fast battleship branch headed by the Iowa class at 10. God I hope not. That'd mean filing off all that makes it different and cool. There may be a need for anything fast and battleship like other than the Iowas and Lexes.
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Welp, my ranger got completely blown to poo poo by a well coordinated air strike from two carriers involving 1 dive bomber and 4 torpedo bombers. It was so beautiful I couldn't be mad at all. I was on fire with dozens of torps coming from all directions at the same time.
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That's the thing about naval warfare and carriers in particular. The n-squared law is in full effect, things scale in effectiveness exponentially.
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xthetenth posted:God I hope not. That'd mean filing off all that makes it different and cool. There may be a need for anything fast and battleship like other than the Iowas and Lexes. As a one of a kind class well after the demise of the battlecruiser, the Alaska was always going to be difficult to fit into a tree. It's too powerful to be a cruiser, not armoured or armed like a battleship, and lacks enough brethren to make a distinct line. German and French trees will face the same issue with the Deutschland, Scharnhorst and Dunkerque class ships
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NTRabbit posted:As a one of a kind class well after the demise of the battlecruiser, the Alaska was always going to be difficult to fit into a tree. It's too powerful to be a cruiser, not armoured or armed like a battleship, and lacks enough brethren to make a distinct line. The Japanese also had a super-cruiser planned, as a direct counter to the Alaska even, but they scrapped the idea in favor of other ships (carriers). And assuming the Russian tree is full of crazy paper ships (which it kind of has to be), then they have some Stalinbotes you could put in the same category. There's always the potential they break the CL/CA lines out over time as well, and add some additional features/mechanics as time goes on. I assume it'll be a thing, just maybe not soon. I really hope they don't just skip over the Alaska, it's beautiful. Mazz fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Mar 19, 2015 |
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Mar 19, 2015 20:51
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And as an excuse to include two Alaska class ships they can add the Guam as well.
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NTRabbit posted:Pretty sure I've read them saying somewhere the Alaska is in the battleship branch, and at a guess somewhere around tier 7 between the dreadnoughts and the treaty battleships. Ideally it would be in a distinct fast battleship branch headed by the Iowa class at 10. If you fudge out the fastest of the dreadnoughts and lead them into the original Lexington, you can make an entire fast battleship branch that uses only three paper warships and still have a standard battleship branch that has not a single paper ship in it. Umm, did you watch the video? Because if you had, you would see the iowa class is already penned for t9 in the upcoming bship line. I mean, they oculd in the future fudge it to 10 like they did with the is-4, but it is penned to be a tier 9 currently.
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:BB tricks, shoot cruisers first. You're not going to one-shot a Fuso no matter how hard you try, but you can definitely blow up Clevelands and Omahas and clear up the lanes for DDs to make suicide runs. If you have competent DDs, they'll even survive! I've one-shotted a Fuso  In my Kongo, down to my last 5k HP, landed a salvo to the forward magazine from close range (3~km). It was awesome. That was after taking on a Miyogi and a Kongo simultaneously. Battleships are loving OP if you know how to shoot and can keep your armor angled. Also vaporized a DD and a cruiser with single-salvos, for a total of four kills since some DD ended up torpedoing the Miyogi. It's probably pound-for-pound superior to the Fuso, although I gotta say, the big guns on the Fuso are amazing at long range. I've gotten two one-shot kills at max range on cruisers. That'll teach em not to zig-zag.
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JuffoWup posted:Umm, did you watch the video? Because if you had, you would see the iowa class is already penned for t9 in the upcoming bship line. I mean, they oculd in the future fudge it to 10 like they did with the is-4, but it is penned to be a tier 9 currently. No I didn't, but I said it was a hope rather than an actual plan. In a world where Wargaming did anything right Iowa and Montana would be the only options for the tier 10s in distinct standard and fast battleship trees. Instead they'll make the Iowa 9 to the Montana 10, miss half of the battleship classes the USN fielded, and then in 3 years time find themselves wanting to add a second branch and having no idea how to do it because they hosed it up in the first place.
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NTRabbit posted:The USN has the capacity to create two distinct battleship trees from tier 3, two destroyer trees from tier 2, probably two cruiser trees from tier 2 and two carrier trees from tier 4, such was the volume of different designs constructed or at least proposed. Overwhelmingly more than any of the other nations, for obvious reasons. If they spread it out more and had tier 1-4 be almost entirely dedicated to 1895-1906 (with dreadnoughts) they could have even more ships that qualify.
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Is it worth upgrading my torp bombers from Doublas TBD Devastator to Consolidated TBY Sea Wolf on my Ranger? They're faster and more durable but it severely cuts their damage.code:
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Mar 19, 2015 21:31
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NTRabbit posted:No I didn't, but I said it was a hope rather than an actual plan. In a world where Wargaming did anything right Iowa and Montana would be the only options for the tier 10s in distinct standard and fast battleship trees. Instead they'll make the Iowa 9 to the Montana 10, miss half of the battleship classes the USN fielded, and then in 3 years time find themselves wanting to add a second branch and having no idea how to do it because they hosed it up in the first place. This of course presumes that the Iowa hasn't been tested as a tier ten. In a strictly hypothetical scenario where tier nine is the better match and they've already considered options for a follow on ten, they can cleanly split the fast battleships out of the tree. They tried making coherent self-contained lines before. That was in warplanes. It was unpopular. Nobody liked having having places that could be cool historical planes go to paper designs. xthetenth fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Mar 19, 2015 |
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Poil posted:Is it worth upgrading my torp bombers from Doublas TBD Devastator to Consolidated TBY Sea Wolf on my Ranger? They're faster and more durable but it severely cuts their damage. The TBDs get chewed up bad by T6 AA fire, I'd hate to see what would happen if you got thrown into a T8 game with them. Anything that improves speed and HP is probably worth it.
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