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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:The Unabomber has returned Somebody find of where he is and call the cops pretending to be an employee to get him "escorted" out.
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Crowder needs to get a job.
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Mar 19, 2015 21:05
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site posted:Somebody find of where he is and call the cops pretending to be an employee to get him "escorted" out. He'd whine that he was being abused by the police, because I doubt he'd be one to "oh yes sure officer, I always listen to police officers because I tell blacks to do it!"
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Nonsense posted:He'd whine that he was being abused by the police, because I doubt he'd be one to "oh yes sure officer, I always listen to police officers because I tell blacks to do it!" But only those uppity
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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bill-oreilly-obama-nothing-bin-laden I wonder if O'Reilly will apply his standard to other recent presidents. quote:Fox News host Bill O'Reilly said on Wednesday night that President Obama had "nothing to do" with the 2011 killing of Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.
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Mar 19, 2015 21:08
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And just like that, Obama never did that, that was a thing he did not do.
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Mar 19, 2015 21:11
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Oh no! Now he's as lovely as George W Bush!
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Mar 19, 2015 21:15
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Bush got Saddam, but US forces got bin Laden. Got it.
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Mar 19, 2015 21:15
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:The Unabomber has returned you can't silence me get your hands off me!
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Mar 19, 2015 21:16
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Oh no! Now he's as lovely as George W Bush! Worse actually since he caused the 2008 financial crisis.
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Mar 19, 2015 21:16
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Hasters posted:He's not saying exclude those people, he's just saying that if you are going to let biological males into the women's dressing room based on sincere belief, then who gets to decide which beliefs are sincere and which aren't? Despite disagreeing with almost everything this poster has said in the thread to date, I think this is actually a reasonable question. Not a reasonable question in the sense of "We certainly can't let transwomen into the women's bathroom until we figure this out," but rather, "Since it's clear that we should allow transwomen into the women's bathroom, who else should be allowed?" Crowder wasn't kicked out of the gym because he was dressed as a woman, but because he was am abusive idiot with a camera. If he hadn't been a loud idiot... Well, that's too hard to imagine. If some other cisman were to dress up in women's clothes and go into a women's bathroom, should that be allowed? Do we need to judge the sincerity of a person's gender identity as a prerequisite for bathroom access? Or is asking the question itself transphobic?
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Skrewtape posted:Or is asking the question itself transphobic? not if you're not obviously concern trolling Skrewtape posted:Crowder wasn't kicked out of the gym because he was dressed as a woman, but because he was am abusive idiot with a camera. If he hadn't been a loud idiot... Well, that's too hard to imagine. If some other cisman were to dress up in women's clothes and go into a women's bathroom, should that be allowed? Do we need to judge the sincerity of a person's gender identity as a prerequisite for bathroom access? the question is intent. why does someone choose to enter a gendered room? there's a big social expectation that we have that people will adhere to socially constructed norms of gender. this has begun breaking down in little ways, but you still have some people who think that women can't know anything about cars or technology, or that men are hapless losers when it comes to cooking and childcare gendered rooms themselves are generally not enforced by law. simply entering the women's room as a man is not a crime. it's highly frowned upon because we have this expectation that men who do go into the women's room are doing so for some criminal purpose, such as to look at naked women without their consent or even assault them. but what if there are legitimate reasons for a person to enter the 'wrong' room, like maybe their self-identifying gender places them in a tough situation where no matter where they go, they are rejected and at risk of some kind of retaliation? to make a heavy handed analogy, what prevented african americans in the 1930's from dressing up in whiteface to use whites only facilities? isn't that dangerous? couldn't they rob the poor helpless whites after gaining false entry? this only becomes a problem if you have that inherent bigotry that transwomen who are some or entirely biologically male are really just perverts who like dressing up as women for sexual thrills and, by extension, would perv on ciswomen. we don't need to judge anyone's sincerity because, as of now, there isn't a big epidemic of cismen falsely claiming to be women to commit sexual acts. people who do this are considered in another category, that of assholes, and we already have ways of dealing with assholes the burden of proof is not on the transperson to demonstrate that they are not going to sexually assault people as an extension of society recognizing their self-identified gender. the burden of proof is on the bigots to demonstrate that transpersons are a threat to cispersons. and yes, cismen could falsely claim to be transwomen and commit crimes, but these crimes are already punishable and have nothing to do with society's level of trans acceptance so, yeah. if a cisman wants to dress up like a woman and go hang out in the women's locker room, they should be allowed. because they are either not doing any harm to anyone, and in that case who cares, or they are being a creepshow, which is already punishable by law. this might irritate some people but since the entire question is theoretical as there is an extremely small number of cismen who present as women and infiltrate women's spaces just because, that irritation lies with a larger dismissal of bigotry rather than any actual concern for the safety of women boner confessor fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Mar 19, 2015 |
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Mar 19, 2015 21:45
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UFOTofuTacoCat posted:Crowder needs to get a job. Speaking of, honestly, how does he make money? Does he have a job? Or is he living by donations from his website? Does he understand the irony of that? I know the answer is no to the last question.
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Flaggy posted:Speaking of, honestly, how does he make money? Does he have a job? Or is he living by donations from his website? Does he understand the irony of that?
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Flaggy posted:Speaking of, honestly, how does he make money? Does he have a job? Or is he living by donations from his website? Does he understand the irony of that? He has a powerful patreon.
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Mar 19, 2015 21:52
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:The Unabomber has returned For real though did he actually print up a fake ID just so he could sneak back in and take a selfie because  what a pathetic dorkFellatio del Toro posted:Also cool how he completely undermines his own point by demonstrating that, in fact, they were easily able to identify a disingenuous shithead who wasn't really transgender and kick him out.
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I've always just assumed Crowder's wife is the bread winner in the relationship. Like, she pays the rent and utilities and groceries, and it's Steven's job to make sure the internet is paid for. It's the only thing I can think of considering how often he overcompensates.
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Mar 19, 2015 22:56
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Hazo posted:This is a really important thing to note. The only unfortunate thing about the fact that no actual media source takes Crowder seriously is that it'd be really funny for the media to run with this narrative of "Steven Crowder's plan backfires-- Planet Fitness kicks him out of their gyms, proving it IS in fact possible to distinguish genuine transsexuals from perverted weirdos crossdressing to harass women." If you somehow think this is an issue it doesn't seem like Crowder is the guy you want on your side. He just shot your argument in the foot.
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Hasters posted:But again are we going to start judging sincere beliefs based on past actions? If you have committed to "no judgements" then judging based on past actions seems a bit hypocritical. Even mainstream Christianity says that a sincere belief in the moment is enough. Hasters gonna hast
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PostNouveau posted:Hasters gonna hast Nooooo, why did you do that
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I like how he thinks getting back into PF is some sort of great victory as if the whole place was on Metal Gear Solid alert status waiting for him.Biff Rockgroin posted:I've always just assumed Crowder's wife is the bread winner in the relationship. Like, she pays the rent and utilities and groceries, and it's Steven's job to make sure the internet is paid for. It's the only thing I can think of considering how often he overcompensates. You're thinking of John McCain.
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#Crowderfans
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Here's what happens to the mind of someone who takes in a nonstop stream of crazy right-wing media 24/7:quote:Why is the Congress rolling over and lettin’ this Communist dictator destroy my country? Y’all know what he is and I know what he is. I want him out of the White House. He’s not a citizen. He could’ve been removed a long time ago. Larry Cleveland’s the one who got the judge to say that the executive amnesty is illegal. Everything he does is illegal. He’s trying to destroy the United States. The Congress knows this. What kind of games is the Congress of the United States playing with the citizens of the United States? Honestly I don't know how much of this is due to media consumption and how much is this woman being legitimately deranged, but if it's mostly the latter than the former can't be helping matters very much.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:#Crowderfans Better double check that it's not your boy toy first.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:#Crowderfans It is definitely worth murdering a human being because they go to a gym you don't like
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Here's what happens to the mind of someone who takes in a nonstop stream of crazy right-wing media 24/7:
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site posted:Always reminds me especially of military people who bitch about others using social assistance... I PUT MY LIFE ON THE LINE EVERY drat DAY *sits in barracks playing pokemon for entire enlistment*
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WIngnut welfare probably works on a sugardaddy system. Crowder must have one or two (maybe an inlaw?) Also one of Planet Fitness' competitors could have underwritten this particular stunt. Gym membership as a political act is a good marketing tactic. There have been a few examples of these consumer politics stunts since 2008 - Chick-Fil-A, Hobby Lobby, Duck Dynasty, etc.
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McDowell posted:WIngnut welfare probably works on a sugardaddy system. Crowder must have one or two (maybe an inlaw?) dana loesch iirc
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Mar 19, 2015 23:49
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This whole "Obama opposed Netanyahu in Israels' election" that someone brought up apparently has legs. Some dude on a sports talk show brought it up today out of loving nowhere (after admitting he didn't even know Netanyahu 's opponent's name). He just said that Obama had given money to Netanyahu's opponent and said he "heard it while watching the news". I wonder what news station he might have been watching?
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BiggerBoat posted:This whole "Obama opposed Netanyahu in Israels' election" that someone brought up apparently has legs. Some dude on a sports talk show brought it up today out of loving nowhere (after admitting he didn't even know Netanyahu 's opponent's name). He just said that Obama had given money to Netanyahu's opponent and said he "heard it while watching the news".
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site posted:What the gently caress is that nuke thing in the last paragraph about? lol "Obama tried to set off a nuke near charleston but failed because  ARE GENERALS refused to go along with it!"I'm phone posting so I can't get a snopes link but you get the idea.
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InequalityGodzilla posted:Its a dumbass ultra right wing myth that's cropped up recently. Pretty sure it's based on some russian propaganda. http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-03-19/whoa-if-true-obama-s-secret-plan-to-nuke-charleston-south-carolina
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site posted:What the gently caress is that nuke thing in the last paragraph about? lol http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/charleston.asp FALSE efb
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Of course, good ol Alex Jones.
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site posted:What the gently caress is that nuke thing in the last paragraph about? lol It's 100% true! I saw it on the news. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUUxu_m6mrU
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Transpanic right now is about where gay panic was in the '90s. There was enough information out there that you knew there were people who were like that and you didn't like it. That's why nobody could shower after gym and why some guys preferred to walk backwards "so the queers couldn't grab their asses." The people who are making the biggest scene are the crazy bigots, not their targeted population. I figure transpeople just quietly mind their business in public restrooms. Like everybody else. It is just such a non-issue. I don't get why it breaks so many peoples' brains.
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Hasters posted:But again are we going to start judging sincere beliefs based on past actions? If you have committed to "no judgements" then judging based on past actions seems a bit hypocritical. Even mainstream Christianity says that a sincere belief in the moment is enough. Not even a court of law, in which you're presumed innocent until proven guilty, throws out prior statements. "Hey that can't be first-degree murder, no one has proven that he didn't change his mind about killing the guy a split second before the knife went in" Shbobdb posted:Transpanic right now is about where gay panic was in the '90s. There was enough information out there that you knew there were people who were like that and you didn't like it. That's why nobody could shower after gym and why some guys preferred to walk backwards "so the queers couldn't grab their asses." The people who are making the biggest scene are the crazy bigots, not their targeted population. I figure transpeople just quietly mind their business in public restrooms. Like everybody else. It is just such a non-issue. I don't get why it breaks so many peoples' brains. Look when Stephen Crowder claims all gay men only want rights so they can show their dicks to our precious children he's obviously just a stupid bigot. But when he says that exact same thing about transwomen, he's 100% right because just look at them they're freaks. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Mar 20, 2015 |
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On the women's locker room thing, also worth noting that several surveys have shown that women have, on average, higher empathy and social awareness than men (this appears to be due mainly to socialization) so a lot of men crying about how other men will dress in drag to perv on women are missing that women can sense their intentions at least in broad terms. I know I can definitely sense when someone is uncomfortable or somehow doesn't belong. I'd be willing to bet that these right wing chicken littles are probably even less in tune with the subtle nonverbal cues of people in the same room as them as the average man so they can't even comprehend the amazing supernatural intuition that is "noticing someone is acting weird." It's got nothing to do with the quality of the disguise either. If some lesbian were behaving inappropriately it's not like I wouldn't be able to tell. Yeah maybe a lesbian might see my boobs, I'm not talking about that. I mean, if I saw a woman standing around in a locker room doing nothing - especially if I come in, shower, pack up my stuff, and she's still standing around just looking at people, that would be weird and I'd probably ask her if she was looking for something just to make it clear that I noticed her. (this is why retail stores have employees ask you if you need help even when you obviously don't.) Situational awareness - womenkind's amazing superpower. Xibanya fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Mar 20, 2015 |
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No, see, women are too stupid to know if someone is tricking them and all men would be totally willing to dress like women just to maybe see boobs. Also rape isn't an issue and no men actually rape.
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