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bowmore posted:Sick mate, can't miss that ai yeh hey
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Orkin Mang posted:economic asylum barons getting ther jsut deserts
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Graic Gabtar posted:About time they clamped down on those donation scams and media tart lawyers. i dunno man politicians are poo poo by and large but immigrants are ok almost always. most are ok, there just a few are butts. u got a bit harsh on them in this one post you made and i wondered.
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CrazyTolradi posted:It basically lends weight to a lot of the allegations that have come out about sexual and physical abuse. So, frame that in your asylum seeker hating mind however you like. I believe I've expressed my views on these types of allegations in the past.
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Graic Gabtar posted:Saying I hate is rather a hateful thing to say. Yeah, they're all made up. Then an independent review launched by the DIBP says, HEY THIS poo poo MIGHT ACTUALLY HAPPEN. But nope, you'll still go head in the sand on it because hey, not happening to you right? 
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CrazyTolradi posted:Yeah, they're all made up. Then an independent review launched by the DIBP says, HEY THIS poo poo MIGHT ACTUALLY HAPPEN. nice saracasm very persuasive, dr blowhard
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CrazyTolradi posted:Yeah, they're all made up. Then an independent review launched by the DIBP says, HEY THIS poo poo MIGHT ACTUALLY HAPPEN. It still doesn't change anything though.
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Don't read the report its beyond hosed
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Graic Gabtar posted:However, just to repeat myself I've previously stated that allegations should be investigated and where appropriate referred to the Nauru police. Furthermore, any person of authority in Nauru being investigated should not be charged with the care of any asylum seeker. it looks a bit like you have half a point but the other half is you hiding behind legalities and substituting them for moral axioms. come on man
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Graic Gabtar posted:However, just to repeat myself I've previously stated that allegations should be investigated and where appropriate referred to the Nauru police. Furthermore, any person of authority in Nauru being investigated should not be charged with the care of any asylum seeker. You're implying that the Nauru legal system is fair, not wrought with corruption and willing to find against their largest financial benefactor in a court case. According the Nauru government, if the detention centre on Nauru closed they would be facing an unemployment crisis. And that's not even factoring into the equation that they are only in Nauru under detention by the Australian government and we have a legal obligation in regards to the duty of care towards those in such detention.
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CrazyTolradi posted:You're implying that the Nauru legal system is fair, not wrought with corruption and willing to find against their largest financial benefactor in a court case. According the Nauru government, if the detention centre on Nauru closed they would be facing an unemployment crisis. And that's not even factoring into the equation that they are only in Nauru under detention by the Australian government and we have a legal obligation in regards to the duty of care towards those in such detention. Pro-asylum seeker play book. - Any country besides Australia is a corrupt, dystopian nightmare and must be shat on at each and every opportunity. - OMG fear the lawyers picnic (they are campaigning for).
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Graic Gabtar posted:Pro-asylum seeker play book. come on man
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Graic Gabtar posted:- Every country is a corrupt, dystopian nightmare and it's a shame that people; no matter their race, religion, colour or creed; aren't treated in a humane and accepting fashion.
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Mar 20, 2015 09:38
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You guys are aware that you can't use logic to drive someone out of a position that they didn't use logic to get into, right? You're completely wasting your time.
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Graic Gabtar posted:Pro-asylum seeker play book. It's called pragmatism. To put this into context for you, Nauru has no real internal economy since it's phosphorous mine ran dry and all they get are dregs and it has no tourism industry to speak of. Nauru as a nation relies on money and aid coming in from external governments, the majority of which comes from Australia, and they use the Australian Dollar for currency. They even rely on Australia for some supplies, including fresh water. A lot of the major profits they had from the phosphorous boom in the 60's was put into trust funds, but those have been mostly used up, spent on poorly performing foreign investments as well as paying for the costs of running the country. Most economists describe Nauru's economic situation as "near-bankrupt." Nauru also has a major crisis already with employment. It had an unemployment rate of about 90% in 2004. Ninety percent, not 9, or 19, but 90. As of 2009, about 60% of it's GDP comes from services industries, such as the detention centre. In 2008, when the Rudd government closed the detention centre on Nauru, it was almost totally reliant on food imports and foreign aid. Keeping the above in mind, that Nauru is in fact reliant on aid from Australia to function as a nation, do you really think they will "bite the hand that feeds them" and face very real and severe internal conflicts from the breakdown of government as a result?
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CrazyTolradi posted:It's called pragmatism. I dunno. Call me old fashioned but I think before we leap to the downfall of nations maybe we should give the rule of law a chance before we.... Sorry, what was your alternative?
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Graic Gabtar posted:Pragmatism in auspol? Unheard of. Be humane, bring them to Australia and admit we hosed up. These people will likely be more grateful than yourself for the chance to live and work here. It's not like we're holding a few thousand detainees there. Are you really worried about the prospect of a couple of hundred people coming here and losing your precious slice of Australian pie? You also avoided my question in my last post (You're such a dodgy mcdodgerton, always dodging questions). Do you really think Nauru would rule against the Australian government and find against the treatment of asylum seekers currently detained in Nauru?
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Graic Gabtar posted:Pragmatism in auspol? Unheard of. Shutdown offshore processing?
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I think the thread should take on a more Roman stature. Cartoon can be Cato. I can be Cicero. Graic can be Julius Caesar.
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Endman posted:I think the thread should take on a more Roman stature. Cartoon can be Cato. I can be Cicero. and Brutus?
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Avshalom posted:I love Israel 
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what the gently caress is this, you nerd? is this a game? you loving nerd. i've never even played a game. i'm not a game. i'm the real deal, you nerd, i'm a 100% bona-fide corn-fed hotshot babe looking for a wild time, so take your game and kiss it tenderly. gently caress! nerds everywhere, and here i am with my tropical oasis of a vagina just dripping for ariel sharon. loving nerds. i want his fat dead cock in my mouth. my breasts
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Mar 20, 2015 10:34
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CrazyTolradi posted:and Brutus? You can be Brutus if you want, but you'd have to be friends with Graic for a bit first. You know, before you stab him to death on the steps of the assembly.
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Avshalom posted:what the gently caress is this, you nerd? is this a game? you loving nerd. i've never even played a game. i'm not a game. i'm the real deal, you nerd, i'm a 100% bona-fide corn-fed hotshot babe looking for a wild time, so take your game and kiss it tenderly. gently caress! nerds everywhere, and here i am with my tropical oasis of a vagina just dripping for ariel sharon. loving nerds. i want his fat dead cock in my mouth. my breasts Avshalom can be Atia.
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Abbott delenda est
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Endman posted:Avshalom can be Atia.
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Endman posted:You can be Brutus if you want, but you'd have to be friends with Graic for a bit first. You know, before you stab him to death on the steps of the assembly. That's a loving hard act. I mean, I could do it, it is for the greater good. But still, ugh.
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my scrotum unravels into its constituent shreds of skin and tendon. you have never seen anything so erotic
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Have you thought about writing a text adventure? A strictly non-nerdy one, of course.
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CrazyTolradi posted:That's a loving hard act. I mean, I could do it, it is for the greater good. But still, ugh. 360 whole days of being his friend if you want to do it on the anniversary.
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Hambeet can be Cleopatra.
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Avshalom posted:what the gently caress is this, you nerd? is this a game? you loving nerd. i've never even played a game. i'm not a game. i'm the real deal, you nerd, i'm a 100% bona-fide corn-fed hotshot babe looking for a wild time, so take your game and kiss it tenderly. gently caress! nerds everywhere, and here i am with my tropical oasis of a vagina just dripping for ariel sharon. loving nerds. i want his fat dead cock in my mouth. my breasts Avshalom posted:my scrotum unravels into its constituent shreds of skin and tendon. you have never seen anything so erotic These posts need to be in an art gallery so following generations can view them and ponder their meaning.
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CrazyTolradi posted:Be humane, bring them to Australia and admit we hosed up. These people will likely be more grateful than yourself for the chance to live and work here. It's not like we're holding a few thousand detainees there. Are you really worried about the prospect of a couple of hundred people coming here and losing your precious slice of Australian pie? Those people can't live and work here. They won't be settled here. That's the policy of our country. I've said before (but as I seem to have to repeat myself) I would very much prefer not to have off-shore processing but it is not possible at this time. I'm not trying to avoid your questions but I do get a few. I'm not sure I understand though - why would Nauru rule against Australia? Isn't that (still unread report by me) about allegations against individuals? And as I don't have a crystal ball I really couldn't say, but I'm not buying into your corruption conspiracy. If these allegations turn into charges then I would expect The Guardian and a gaggle of lawyers would have ring side seats in court to make sure all was above board.
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Graic Gabtar posted:I would very much prefer not to have off-shore processing but it is not possible at this time. Citation required
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Graic Gabtar posted:Don't try your FYGM mumbo jumbo on me. It's another lame argument from the asylum seeker advocate playbook. So, as long as it's policy that makes it morally and ethically correct? Good to know you've vindicated the Third Reich there, Graic. Graic Gabtar, someone who only cares for policy, not morals or ethics. Why isn't it possible to process them here? What prevents us from doing so? We've done it before previously, why not now?
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Just finished read the Moss Review on the Nauru Detention Centre . It's hosed up.
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CrazyTolradi posted:So, as long as it's policy that makes it morally and ethically correct? Good to know you've vindicated the Third Reich there, Graic. Graic Gabtar, someone who only cares for policy, not morals or ethics.
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