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Pagan- I had just posted about my experience with rust and the 300 series. Here. And that video is awesome. Although I want to put it to epic music instead of elevator music from Mass Effect.ArtistCeleste posted:That mostly happens to the surface of it. If you can grind it flush again it should be good. But twists, curves, roundstock, anything that you can't grind the surface off of can be problematic. Edit: Well Ambrose, hope you have fun with your shackles. ArtistCeleste fucked around with this message at 02:43 on Mar 16, 2015 |
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Mini-Op - Playing "Analog Civilization" Counter the professionalism and cleanliness of a majority of the posts in this thread, a few friends and I have been engaging in some hobby smelting/forging/casting in the backyard. I started with copied plans from youtuber Grant Thompson and his Backyard Mini Forge, but we quickly outgrew that thanks to a crucible that was very much too large for that format. We started pretty normally - just melting down scrap aluminum cans, salvaged junk, etc - but Sunday we were able to melt and cast copper for the first time thanks to a redesigned forge and the addition of stoker coal. The reasonable end goal for this forge is copper and bronze casting for various funny/cool/kinda useful things, and one of the guys in our group is interested in some small-scale smithing, as the forge itself is plenty hot to soften steel. I'd love to upgrade some more, but I personally don't have anywhere to put a bunch of equipment. Overall cost for this setup was under $100 (we spent about another $70 building the aforementioned mini-forge as the prototype).  the crucible - a cutoff oxygen tank with a plate welded the bottom. I'd guess it's about just over a gallon.  the first attempt - the crucible was way too big for the forge (and the insulating lid broke in half) but we got some melting done the first time.  4th run, first with the new larger forge - better airflow = better melt. We smelted/refined ~25lbs of aluminum from a scrap engine head, cans, and salvaged medical equipment. The ingots were cast in steel muffin tins for easy remelting.  It was surprisingly difficult to find coal, but a 2hr round trip later, I had a Rubbermaid tote with 94lbs. Took us some time to figure it out and we smoked out the neighborhood for a good 20minutes before, but...  IT GOT HOT. You can see our forced induction device (blowdryer) fed into a 2-way air manifold (pvc pipe). I sacrificed a small pot from my homebrewing setup to make an insulating lid (bottom left) and there's another lid that covers the entire thing.  Copper pour into the steel muffin trays. Coal made all the difference. We had briefly melted copper before with just charcoal, but this did the trick easily.  A really lovely attempt to lost-foam cast. My casting sand is garbage and I'm working on getting a new setup as well as a proper Cope/Drag casting box. edit: holy gently caress these pics are big. Will remedy.
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I could be wrong about this, but that bucket looks a whole lot like one of these, meaning it's galvanized steel. If so, please stop burning things in it before you make yourself very, very ill. The whole poisoning yourself thing aside, that looks really cool.
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mjan posted:I could be wrong about this, but that bucket looks a whole lot like one of these, meaning it's galvanized steel. If so, please stop burning things in it before you make yourself very, very ill. A: That is in fact a galvanized ash bucket. If any if you show signs of fume fever, write out your will. That poo poo WILL kill you even in the well ventilated out doors (see The final lesson of Paw Paw). I spent two weeks on the brink from a lung full due to idiots with welders before we spotted what was happening. B: Smiths made steel with nothing more than charcoal for over 1500 years. Most likely you fell into the "more air = more heat" mind set. True everywhere except charcoal which burns hottest with much much less air (5cfm was enough to melt a hole through my first forge) C: careful, back yard casting is a gateway drug to back yard foundry. I've started visiting defunct iron mines to look for cast off to come back and get later. A friend of mine melts close to two tons of iron ore in his back yard every few weeks. (Makes amazing swords and axes from it.) Edit: also you are contaminating your melts with that old cylinder. Not enough for anything you'd probably do, but enough to not end up with something like alumel if you tried to make it. Consider buying a ceramic or carbon replacement, or cast one out of refractory (after reading up on what it takes to use a cement as a crucible without killing yourself in the process.) Kasan fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Mar 17, 2015 |
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The heat in a charcoal fire spreads far more evenly and readily than in a coal fire, ime, and charcoal cleans/purifies a melt while coal will add all kinds of crap to it. You don't need that super-hot-burning expensive fuel for melting aluminium, imo. Cool stuff you're doing there though, I never graduated past small-scale sand casting.
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mjan posted:I could be wrong about this, but that bucket looks a whole lot like one of these, meaning it's galvanized steel. If so, please stop burning things in it before you make yourself very, very ill. He's probably burned off all the zinc by now. Maybe.
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robotsinmyhead posted:Mini-Op - Playing "Analog Civilization"  Also, I replicated a giant charcoal bbq design that I used a lot when I was a caterer.  The grille comes off to load the coals, and there are four legs that go in the slanted tubes on each end. I will get action shots this friday if all goes well.
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Thanks for the tips. The bucket, while galvanized, rarely gets hotter than "warm", although it's probably getting pretty toasty around the lip. You can't really see it, but there's 2+inches of sand/plaster between the charcoal and the sides of the bucket and aside from the air inlet holes and the top lip, you can pick the bucket up with your bare hands. The next upgrade will probably be getting rid of it. Sooner rather than later. As for the heating, I really didn't experiment with lowering the airflow on the hair dryer (it has 2 settings, we opt for high, so we're probably loving it up). We briefly melted copper with just charcoal, but I wasn't able to keep that heat level. Aside from that, right now we're not super worried about contamination / dirty crucible, although. So far we've only melted aluminum and finished our last round with copper - so we'll be starting with copper again next time. robotsinmyhead fucked around with this message at 11:41 on Mar 17, 2015 |
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If you're going to use coal, remember that it clinks up- if a melt takes longer than the initial charge of fuel, there'll be a bunch of fused slag at the bottom of the chamber which creates a heat dead spot. If it's around the crucible, it could fuse the crucible to the smelter, or (more likely) insulate the smelter from the fire and kill your efficiency. Forge a pointed hook-type thing to drag the clinkers out.
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robotsinmyhead posted:Thanks for the tips. The bucket, while galvanized, rarely gets hotter than "warm", although it's probably getting pretty toasty around the lip. You can't really see it, but there's 2+inches of sand/plaster between the charcoal and the sides of the bucket and aside from the air inlet holes and the top lip, you can pick the bucket up with your bare hands. The next upgrade will probably be getting rid of it. Sooner rather than later. I, too, have been using that bucket foundry for aluminum. I don't "hard-wire" the hair dryer. Instead, I leave the pipe sticking out and then periodically blast the hair dryer (with a PVC extension) into it. I have a 3.25" ID iron pipe with cap for a crucible. Heavy and slow to heat, but so far it works pretty well. What are you using for the casting sand? I've had OK luck with 9 parts sand, 1 part kitty litter mousse (soak some clumping litter overnight and use a drill/paint mixer to whip it into a froth) to make ghetto greensand.
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Tamir Lenk posted:What are you using for the casting sand? I've had OK luck with 9 parts sand, 1 part kitty litter mousse (soak some clumping litter overnight and use a drill/paint mixer to whip it into a froth) to make ghetto greensand. Same, basically. I powered the kitty litter (bentonnite clay) by hand which loving sucked and did it at that same ratio with playground sand - but that sand is too coarse. Next step is some really fine silica sand and more bentonnite clay, pre-powered from Amazon (it's often sold as a facemask clay) and 2-cycle oil instead of water. I didn't think of soaking the litter, but that might overdo that water? I dunno. The problem I had with the sand was that the resolution was complete poo poo and I likely didn't get it mixed up properly.
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robotsinmyhead posted:Same, basically. I powered the kitty litter (bentonnite clay) by hand which loving sucked and did it at that same ratio with playground sand - but that sand is too coarse. Next step is some really fine silica sand and more bentonnite clay, pre-powered from Amazon (it's often sold as a facemask clay) and 2-cycle oil instead of water. Once the litter is whipped up, I found it held all the water needed for the sand. For mixing and whipping the clay, I used one of these: http://www.amazon.com/Hyde-Tools-46565-Diameter-Mudslinger/dp/B0000DH4O6/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1426608097&sr=8-2&keywords=mixing+bit  Works great for the wet clay and to mix the mousse into the sand. Better sand would be ... better. I used an old strainer to filter out at least some of the pebbles and poo poo from the play sand. Once you have the foam shaped, slapping a coat of drywall compound helps seal it for a better finish. At least to reduce the grinding and clean up. For example: 
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You motherfucker - how did you know what I wanted to cast? Realtalk though, I have a friend is an ex-professional/high-end hobby grade 3d printer with related gear and he said he can print me pretty much anything. Long story short, a solid bronze dickbutt is in my future. The other longterm goal is to cast a bronze knife or two. The other guy I do this with has a masters degree in history and he's over the moon seeing how all this is done. He's not very technically minded, so I'm handling most of the technical stuff and he does a lot of the work.
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robotsinmyhead posted:You motherfucker - how did you know what I wanted to cast? I'm a member of the SCA, and one of the things I do (along with a few others in the generalized "local" area) is anachronistic foundry work (shop vac is a hell of a lot easier than cranking 20 foot bellows). I don't mean just turning aluminum or bronze into puddles. We make steel. Out of rocks. That we go dig up or collect (mostly collect). (which I think I actually mentioned in my last post, but a new foundry is being constructed so it's fresh on my mind). Also if you're going to make green sand, 12:1 sand to bentonite is a pretty decent mixture. To save yourself a headache powdering the kitty litter by hand, just toss it in the blender and blitz the poo poo out of it. (Do it outside and wear a dust mask or respirator.) ((Seriously loving go outside. Inhaling that stuff can be lethal)) (((Why does everything we do for fun have the potential to kill you pretty easily  )))In more exciting news, this weekend I break ground on building an actual workshop in my back yard.  No more forging in the driveway and dealing with the near constant 5-10mph wind blowing poo poo everywhere. Who want's to take bets on how long it takes before I burn it to the ground. 
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Kasan posted:I'm a member of the SCA, and one of the things I do (along with a few others in the generalized "local" area) is anachronistic foundry work (shop vac is a hell of a lot easier than cranking 20 foot bellows). I don't mean just turning aluminum or bronze into puddles. We make steel. Out of rocks. That we go dig up or collect (mostly collect). (which I think I actually mentioned in my last post, but a new foundry is being constructed so it's fresh on my mind). This is awesome and I would love to be a part of something like that, but I guess with peer-group-aged people rather than real hardcore retirees/grognards. Living in a small town in Indiana limits your personnel resources, but I digress. The anachronistic foundry stuff is where my interest really lies, especially pre Iron Age things. We jokingly talked about making bits of armor, but now I'm kinda down for it.
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I want to do another bloomery smelt in my backyard this year. What are you guys using for the insulation? Where do you source it?
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Slung Blade posted:I want to do another bloomery smelt in my backyard this year. What are you guys using for the insulation? Where do you source it? Depends on if it's a modern smelt or a period design. Modern smelts, we just use an inch of quickcrete, and pack firebricks around the column and mortar in the holes. We use a rolled sheet of galvanized to form the column and then remove it. Give it 24 hours to cure, then burn a hot as gently caress fire in it for a couple hours to cook out the moisture. If it doesn't crack and burn we fill it full of charcoal, get the sucker hot and spend a few hours alternating between a couple inches of ore and a couple inches of charcoal. If it's a period smelt, the entire thing is made out of a red clay and sand mixture and ends up looking like a big kiln with a mound of dirt tossed on it. I've only participated in a period smelt once and I didn't see the actual building and initial fire cure (that occurred about 400 miles from where the smelt actually took place). If you use facebook you might be interested in this group: Iron smelters of the World. There are a ton of discussions and (more importantly) porn posted all the time. A lot of it is historical in nature and contains research about the actual science of smelting pre-1200 CE (roughly when the first blast furnaces started showing up in Europe despite the Chinese having done it for 2000 years by that point.). As for sourcing the iron? I live in North Carolina. We have more defunct and abandoned iron mines than almost any other state. More importantly, at quite a few you can contact current owners and tell them you are an "Iron Archeologist" and get free access to the mine surface, which contains literal tons of crushed ore deemed too small for large scale iron production, but perfect for the backyard smelter. It's a lot of work (and I mean A LOT. Most mines aren't vehicle accessible out here. Which means carrying ore in buckets up to a mile or more. And it takes a lot of buckets to make a 5lb brick of iron.) Some iron mines you can just go do  things and leave with ore due to how remote they are and tracking down current caretakers or owners can be difficult. Avoid mines on federal property. Forestry Service makes regular checks (once a week or so) to make sure people aren't trespassing someplace they can die and aren't afraid to arrest you for it if you look like you're walking off with Gubment Goods.Edit: I've never thought to try calling an active mine and finding out what they do with the bits that are tiny that clutter around the crushers. Might find one willing to part with the bits on the cheap if they don't use them for anything and you're willing to do all the labor loading up a pickup truck full.
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So I came across the remains of what was a very rich gold mine a while back, and they basically just walked away back in the 70's and left the mills full of ground flour. It's hardened to a clay like substance now and is probably laced with sodium cyanide (I'm not sure at what stage that got added to the suspension in tech this old), but is it conceivable to smelt gold out of it? We're talking several hundred tons just laying there out in the wilderness, but the chinese are going to be building nearby soon and I'm afraid they're going to dynamite what's left of the mill compound...
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Not worried about getting the ore, I have around two hundred pounds of magnetite left over from my first attempt. Soft or hard fire brick? Any good places to order a bunch online?
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The Steel Yard does an iron pour every summer. They get that big kiln running, and community members can buy tiles of sand, draw designs in them, and when the iron is cooled they have a pretty nifty design. I photographed the event for them last year; here's a panorama that shows the actual iron pour http://bit.ly/1FImdrx This is one of their big fundraising days, so they've got everything from ceramic and jewelry making on display..       I've wanted to try my own smelting, too. Rhode Island only has one source of ore, but apparently it's pretty unique. Might check it out once all the snow melts. http://www.ereferencedesk.com/resources/state-symbols/rhode-island/rock.html
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I know this isn't really in the scope of this thread, but I figure I'll throw it out here anyway. Our shop has two Waterjet machines. In the past 5 years, we've had LOT of trouble finding good people to run them. A lot of people who say they want to work hard and work a lot of hours and made decent money, but when it comes down to it they decide that loving around on their phone, or staying home sick, or just not getting the work done is more important. We're in southeast Massachusetts. Just looking for someone with an interest in this kind of thing, with a good work ethic (this seems to be the hardest part). We train on the job, and once you get going you would work pretty independently. Anyway, sorry if this is a bad place for this, and I know it's a long shot, but my boss is going out of his mind trying to find some good employees. I'd do it myself but I'm running a different part of the shop.
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If I didn't live on the wrong side of the Atlantic I'd be all over it TBH. Especially if I had freedom to use the shop for personal projects (within reason and out of hours, or course).
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A Proper Uppercut posted:I know this isn't really in the scope of this thread, but I figure I'll throw it out here anyway. Our shop has two Waterjet machines. In the past 5 years, we've had LOT of trouble finding good people to run them. A lot of people who say they want to work hard and work a lot of hours and made decent money, but when it comes down to it they decide that loving around on their phone, or staying home sick, or just not getting the work done is more important. Out of curiosity what's he offering for the position?
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I'm really curious, too. I've heard interviews with shop operators talking about how hard it is to find reliable employees that can also do basic math. One of the operators I know went back to school for algebra to get ready for a CNC position and is doing pretty well, but that's just an anecdote. Is there just a mismatch in pay vs skillset or are we (the US, I mean) really that lazy and stupid now?
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A Proper Uppercut posted:I know this isn't really in the scope of this thread, but I figure I'll throw it out here anyway. Our shop has two Waterjet machines. In the past 5 years, we've had LOT of trouble finding good people to run them. A lot of people who say they want to work hard and work a lot of hours and made decent money, but when it comes down to it they decide that loving around on their phone, or staying home sick, or just not getting the work done is more important. Try talking to these guys. They do training on CNC machines, along with basic shop math, brief intro to lean, etc. There may be some people left over from the previous group, which ended about a month ago, or there's a new training group starting soon. http://massmep.org/
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Also: Have you tried posting the job description to any makerspaces in your area? Almost by definition they have a lot of enthusiastic, technically competent people who want access to neat machines like waterjets.
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Dielectric posted:I'm really curious, too. I've heard interviews with shop operators talking about how hard it is to find reliable employees that can also do basic math. One of the operators I know went back to school for algebra to get ready for a CNC position and is doing pretty well, but that's just an anecdote. Is there just a mismatch in pay vs skillset or are we (the US, I mean) really that lazy and stupid now? It's largely bigotry from crusty old men who didn't have the convenience of calculators in school, and think that anyone who uses one is by default too stupid to be worth hiring. It's especially bad in the electricians unions up here in BC: requisite university level calculus and physics with 80% average to get an apprenticeship, where you'll be learning under geriatric old fucks that probably did not even graduate highschool.  It's about keeping their own wages high by artificially reducing the number of "qualified" workers. Rime fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Mar 20, 2015 |
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Rime posted:It's largely bigotry from crusty old men who didn't have the convenience of calculators in school, and think that anyone who uses one is by default too stupid to be worth hiring. I'm actually going to disagree with you. While that may be part of it, it's definitely not that way here. All we want is someone who can read a blueprint, check some parts, and have a good work ethic. We've gone through I think 15 people in the past 5 years. People just stop showing up, spend 10 hours doing 3 hours worth of work, decide that their significant other texting them about some stupid poo poo is more important, spending an hour in the bathroom, coming to work stoned, all sorts of stupid poo poo. It also doesn't help that waterjet is kind of a niche thing, it's not something the average person would learn if they go to classes for CNC machining. Even though we train on the job, it's just so hard to find someone who's willing to put their nose to the grindstone and learn some poo poo, even if it's hard work sometimes. It's loving aggravating, and I feel like an old man going KIDS THESE DAYS when I'm only 31. I was running this place when I was 18 fresh out of high school. I'm no genius but I'm not dumb either, but I don't mind working hard. As for pay, someone off the street who may have looked at a blueprint in high school or a previous job, and doesn't seem like a total moron, probably start around 12 bucks. If you actually have a little experience, maybe around 15-16 bucks. If we found someone who could actually come in and start running the machines with little training, ie they ran waterjets somewhere else, they'd probably be at $20+ an hour. We work 50+ hours a week here, so there's overtime to be had too. I don't want to go into too much detail, but I came here while still in high school, no college, and am making eh, well, closer to 100k than 50. I should clarify my previous post, I talked to me boss, he doesn't want to talk to someone if they don't at least have some experience reading prints. I realize this was a long shot anyway, but it's getting real old hiring people and they're gone within 6 months because they can't commit. We're a small shop (like 10 guys), but I think it's an awesome place to work for the right person, someone who can think on their own and work independently without someone standing over their shoulder. Thanks for the leads though, I might check out the makerspace stuff, and that Massmep I think I actually know about, they've been contacting us for some kind of support I think. I know this is a huge rant/derail, I didn't think I had so much to say about this. It just drives me crazy seeing the opportunity that someone could have running our waterjets, getting valuable experience and making good money. If I was 18 again I'd be all over that poo poo.
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They do cover blueprint reading definitely, and they try to filter based on work ethic and general aptitude. The specific cnc experience probably won't be useful, but there's a lot of general background stuff that should be transferable. Generally people week are out of work, so they're pretty motivated. Also there's some stuff about getting reimbursed for on the job training, I think.
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Uppercut, what's your schedule typically like? 7 days x 8 for three months straight is rapidly becoming a living hell.
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Shim Howard posted:Uppercut, what's your schedule typically like? 7 days x 8 for three months straight is rapidly becoming a living hell. 7-5 m-f. Occasionally a few hours on a saturday.
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Anyone who says they can't find workers isn't paying enough. In my experience with machining, and the trades in general, it's a combination of too low starting pay and terrible work conditions. It's basically McDonalds, only it requires more skill, it's your boss and coworkers treating you like poo poo instead of the customers, and you make an extra $1/hr. Once you've got the experience and skill you can get into a better shop, but by then you've weeded out the competent ones. E: Oh right, and not everyone wants to work 50 hour weeks every week. oxbrain fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Mar 20, 2015 |
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oxbrain posted:Anyone who says they can't find workers isn't paying enough. Coming in off the street with little to no experience making 12/hour, getting overtime, health insurance etc, isn't too little, I don't think. Also, I think there's a lot more opportunity to make better money than a goddamn McDonalds. Never mind learning relevant skills if you're interested in manufacturing. A Proper Uppercut fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Mar 20, 2015 |
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A Proper Uppercut posted:Coming in off the street with little to no experience making 12/hour, getting overtime, health insurance etc, isn't too little, I don't think. A quick Google check says 36k is average for a water jet operator, assuming 40 hour weeks. Your boss wants for 34k(including Canadian overtime rates, no idea about how much worse the states are for labour laws), with 50 hour weeks. Without the overtime hours(anything over 40 a week in Canada), the position sits at about 25k. Offering eleven grand a year below average? Congrats, you're gonna get the bottom of the barrel. I'm doing my first year of a machinist apprenticeship. I won't be getting paid less than $18 Canadian an hour, with much better labour laws, and I have a magical socialist healthcare system that's never going to cost me even a tenth of what the same would run in the US. It is in fact a case too little money Edit: also, 21st century. Learning skills doesn't mean poo poo. An apprenticeship or piece of paper from a respected technical institute does. MohawkSatan fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Mar 20, 2015 |
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A Proper Uppercut posted:Coming in off the street with little to no experience making 12/hour, getting overtime, health insurance etc, isn't too little, I don't think. Average living wage in Mass for a married couple, no kids is $16.37/ hr (each). Average living wage for 1 adult is $11.31. This assumes no amenities or entertainment. Just what it takes to survive. That $12/hr isn't all that attractive to anybody not living with their parents or a ton of roommates. You said it yourself, you've been there since highschool, well paid since 18 and 31 now. You just don't have the outside view of somebody who sees $11/hr and thinks "well, I can only eat 1 meal a day and maybe get by." Welcome to the land of opportunity
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Kasan posted:Average living wage in Mass for a married couple, no kids is $16.37/ hr (each). Average living wage for 1 adult is $11.31. This assumes no amenities or entertainment. Just what it takes to survive. That $12/hr isn't all that attractive to anybody not living with their parents or a ton of roommates. You said it yourself, you've been there since highschool, well paid since 18 and 31 now. You just don't have the outside view of somebody who sees $11/hr and thinks "well, I can only eat 1 meal a day and maybe get by." When I started working here I was making $9/hour. You can't just walk into a place with little to no experience and expect to make $20/hour. If someone could come in here and actually show some initiative, they would be making a lot more very quickly. If they have experience already they would be starting at a higher wage. Mohawk- No one goes to school for waterjet, at least not in this country. The only experience you're going to get on that is working a previous job and they send you out for training, or you learn on the job. I don't think what would technically be an apprentice would be starting at 36k. Also, I think you're making a lot of assumptions with that Google result. Same goes for I would think the vast majority of machinists in this country. There's no official certification to be a machinist. You can take classes and poo poo, but even then those are few and far between from what I've seen. You can go to school for Mechanical Engineering or something like that, but most of those students actually don't have any practical experience. So I have to disagree with your paper is more important than experience. Go to any smaller shop <50 people, they're not going to give a poo poo if you have a degree, they want you know to how to make parts, or at least show aptitude and the willingness to learn.
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A Proper Uppercut posted:When I started working here I was making $9/hour. You can't just walk into a place with little to no experience and expect to make $20/hour. If someone could come in here and actually show some initiative, they would be making a lot more very quickly. If they have experience already they would be starting at a higher wage. Okay, let's make this even simpler: living wage, versus what you're offering. You're offering less. Therefore, you don't get workers, let alone people who want to be there. You're offering just enough for someone to maybe show up. Not enough for them to work hard. They're going to need a second job if they want anything above three really basic meals a day. Which they won't really have the time or energy for, because you want to pay barely above a living wage for 10 hours a day, five a week. Pay more, you'll get someone
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Mar 20, 2015 20:28
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You're making the same mistake as most employers. It doesn't matter if you think it's an amazing wage or not. If you're not getting competent people it's because you aren't offering enough to attract them away from where they are now. McDonalds here pays $11-12/hr...
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Mar 20, 2015 20:47
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Well, I don't set the wages, I just work here. I don't necessarily disagree with you, but the thing is anyone who's applied has never walked away because of money. As far as I know he doesn't advertise the starting wages in any ads he places. I also feel a lot of people are very bad at thinking longer term, there's a lot more growth opportunity here than at a McDonald's.
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Mar 20, 2015 20:56
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