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Rhonne posted:I always liked how King Yemma sent Debura to Heaven after Buu killed him just to gently caress with him and Debura ended really loving it up there. Well y'see redemption of evil is a big theme in DBZ so...
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Mordaedil posted:It might also be able to read energy signatures, such as battleships and other bits of technology that emits a traceable signal, but they never went into that. Though it would explain how Raditz was able to relocate his ship among other things. Nope! According to the wiki, they aren't NEARLY that interesting. I would like them to be more flexible. Alas.
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Mar 21, 2015 23:11
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I think that a measuring device which explodes when it measures too much of something has fatal design flaws that need to be addressed.
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Mar 21, 2015 23:24
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YggiDee posted:I think that a measuring device which explodes when it measures too much of something has fatal design flaws that need to be addressed. Especially when those power levels are much lower than your boss and his elite fighting unit.
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Mar 21, 2015 23:26
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It wasn't that it was super high, it was that it rose so rapidly.
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Mar 21, 2015 23:28
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I just miss scouters because they looked cool.
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Mar 21, 2015 23:30
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like, frieza's goons aren't big on ki manipulation. Jeice specializes in it, but only in the form of attacks - none of them charge up or whatever. So there aren't many fluctuations. Training makes them rise slowly, and maybe when they're pushed to the absolute limit they go up a bit, but Frieza isn't going to go from 10 to a million the way Goku does. It makes sense that rapid rising in power levels would make it explode, the designers didn't expect that would ever happen.
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Mar 21, 2015 23:30
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I have pointed an infrared digital thermometer first at a bucket of ice and then at an open flame and let me tell you, it didn't blow up.
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Mar 21, 2015 23:31
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did the open flame say 'and this... IS TO GO EVEN FURTHER BEYOND'
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Mar 21, 2015 23:32
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YggiDee posted:I have pointed an infrared digital thermometer first at a bucket of ice and then at an open flame and let me tell you, it didn't blow up. That's only a difference of a couple dozen degrees. Try going from about 10 Kelvin to pointing it at the sun.
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Endorph posted:And Dabura even shows up in it. It's not actually Dabura, Toriyama just reused his design for SandLand's Beezlebub and added bigger horns. Toriyama has a habit of reusing designs, Roshi and Yamcha are both reused designs from Dr. Slump with minor changes.
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Endorph posted:like, frieza's goons aren't big on ki manipulation. Jeice specializes in it, but only in the form of attacks - none of them charge up or whatever. So there aren't many fluctuations. Training makes them rise slowly, and maybe when they're pushed to the absolute limit they go up a bit, but Frieza isn't going to go from 10 to a million the way Goku does. It makes sense that rapid rising in power levels would make it explode, the designers didn't expect that would ever happen. The way it's presented, I think Ginyu, Freeza (I think) and Vegeta are the only people in the entire mortal universe who isn't from Namek or Earth who knows how to manipulate their ki in that way, and it's probably arguable that people from Earth only know how to do it because of the Nameless Namek.
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Prison Warden posted:The way it's presented, I think Ginyu, Freeza (I think) and Vegeta are the only people in the entire mortal universe who isn't from Namek or Earth who knows how to manipulate their ki in that way, and it's probably arguable that people from Earth only know how to do it because of the Nameless Namek. Ginyu doesn't, though? That's the reason he was so weak in Goku's body and couldn't understand why.
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Mar 22, 2015 01:19
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Rhonne posted:Especially when those power levels are much lower than your boss and his elite fighting unit. What if Frieza specifically had the scouters designed to explode when they measured high power levels so his minions could never know how strong he was?
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Petiso posted:Ginyu doesn't, though? That's the reason he was so weak in Goku's body and couldn't understand why. I thought that was specifically because most of Goku's power came from the Kaio-ken and such. Specific moves and techniques, that were totally alien (ha ha) to how everyone in Freeza's army fought as far as Ginyu knew. Ginyu specifically says that he's the only member of the Ginyu squad able to mask his true power level. Another thing, while a lot of people think that Goku just stopped using the kaio-ken and never taught anyone the technique, I always just thought that he just adapted and improved on its fundamentals. Piccolo mentions in the android saga, I think, how all the Z fighters are capable of making their power explode in an instant to get the most out of their attacks. No sense having the damaging aura going all the time when you can use it in quick, timed bursts for maximum efficiency I don;t think this has any support in the story, really, and it's probably just classic Toriyama forgetfulness but still. Verus posted:What if Frieza specifically had the scouters designed to explode when they measured high power levels so his minions could never know how strong he was? It's not like something like a tiny explosion is actually a threat to anyone who wears one.
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Mar 22, 2015 01:37
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Endorph posted:did the open flame say 'and this... IS TO GO EVEN FURTHER BEYOND' This guy gets it.
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Mar 22, 2015 01:52
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Speaking of Toriyama forgetfulness, from that demon guide posted earlier:Akira Toriyama posted:Since he’s demonic I named him Akkuman, but I carelessly forgot and made a manga that was also named AkkuMan. I guess it’s a pretty simple idea.
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The page about scouters is pretty interesting. Frieza had specific reasons for their lovely design. I'd share more but I'm on mobile at the moment.  http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Scouter
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my cat is norris posted:The page about scouters is pretty interesting. Frieza had specific reasons for their lovely design. I'd share more but I'm on mobile at the moment. I think my favorite part about that article is the note that even Toriyama had no clue how scouters were supposed to stay on heads, to the extent that he felt weird drawing them like that, but he was also too lazy to change it so he just wrote it off as alien technology.
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Mar 22, 2015 04:20
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I always figured they were some kind of suction cup thing...that just goes around your ear.
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Raxivace posted:I always figured they were some kind of suction cup thing...that just goes around your ear.
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Mar 22, 2015 05:39
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Much like the Babel fish, a Scouter is actually an independent creature which is merely hanging on for dear life.
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I wonder what that says about all of the people that break theirs in their fist.
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Petiso posted:Ginyu doesn't, though? That's the reason he was so weak in Goku's body and couldn't understand why. He did say he could increase his power level when fighting Goku (which he proceeded to do). And he was trying to charge up while in Goku's body while measuring his power level, so even though he failed it does mean he's no stranger to it.
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My favorite thing about Captain Ginyu is how he presents himself as this evil but fair fighter, but his signature technique is sucker stabbing himself near fatally and switching bodies with a stronger person.
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Well, they decided on the chocolate parfait and they are not going to share.
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Terper posted:I was being facetious. I know, I was playing with the joke as well.
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Prison Warden posted:I thought that was specifically because most of Goku's power came from the Kaio-ken and such. Specific moves and techniques, that were totally alien (ha ha) to how everyone in Freeza's army fought as far as Ginyu knew. Ginyu specifically says that he's the only member of the Ginyu squad able to mask his true power level. It was because Ginyu wasn't used to Goku's body quite yet. As the fight goes on he starts to get stronger and stronger. Goku wasn't using kaioken when he took down Burter and Recoome, so it's safe to say Goku's base power level was well above those two's and not at the 21000 stated by Jeice. Furthermore, the whole 'good guys have the advantage because they manipulate ki isn't really that foreign of a concept to the bad guys either, even though the plot tells you it is. At least Nappa and Freeza also hold back on their ki. While I don't remember it being said in the story, it seems like Nappa's base power was 4000, but he was able to hold his own against Goku when he calmed down/powered up. Some kind of ki manipulation is going on there. Freeza in his fourth form is also an example. Cell holds back too, but I think the concept of "bad guys don't manipulate ki" is a product of the Saiyan/Freeza sagas.
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facebook jihad posted:It was because Ginyu wasn't used to Goku's body quite yet. As the fight goes on he starts to get stronger and stronger. Goku wasn't using kaioken when he took down Burter and Recoome, so it's safe to say Goku's base power level was well above those two's and not at the 21000 stated by Jeice. That's anime-only. In the manga he continues to struggle against them Gohan and Krillin until Vegeta finishes Jeice and then punches his lights out.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKdLrnVYQs4 I don't know what's happening in this video featuring the Japanese cast, but it is fascinating and horrifying. 
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facebook jihad posted:It was because Ginyu wasn't used to Goku's body quite yet. As the fight goes on he starts to get stronger and stronger. Goku wasn't using kaioken when he took down Burter and Recoome, so it's safe to say Goku's base power level was well above those two's and not at the 21000 stated by Jeice. It's Ginyu's reaction what bothers me. He should know how body change works, it's his signature technique, getting used to the body is a reasonable requirement, but he was surprised he wasn't as strong as Goku was from the get-go.
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Petiso posted:It's Ginyu's reaction what bothers me. He should know how body change works, it's his signature technique, getting used to the body is a reasonable requirement, but he was surprised he wasn't as strong as Goku was from the get-go. Ginyu doesn't know kaio ken.
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BattleCattle posted:Ginyu doesn't know kaio ken. Goku's base power level cannot be 21000.
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Anybody have any idea what the track is that's playing right before the SSJ3 theme kicks in? I figure someone here might recognize it.
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Petiso posted:It's Ginyu's reaction what bothers me. He should know how body change works, it's his signature technique, getting used to the body is a reasonable requirement, but he was surprised he wasn't as strong as Goku was from the get-go. Most people don't manipulate ki. Heck, outside of Namek and Earth, most strong people are like Hercule and Freeza: they rely solely on their base abilities. So, in other words, the gap after body switching is probably low. There is likely a learning curve, but it's a moot point if the person was worth switching bodies with. Goku and the rest of the Z-Warriors, on the other hand, operate so differently that Ginyu, without training to learn how to manipulate ki as well, cannot even get close to reaching Goku's level.
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So is it safe to assume the Ginyu they fight on Namek isn't his original body?
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Rhonne posted:So is it safe to assume the Ginyu they fight on Namek isn't his original body? Almost certainly.
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Rhonne posted:So is it safe to assume the Ginyu they fight on Namek isn't his original body? According to promotional materials for movie 5, it's Salza's.
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Rhonne posted:So is it safe to assume the Ginyu they fight on Namek isn't his original body? I think an old interview said that Frieza and maybe Jeice are the only two people left alive in the universe that has any clue what he actually looks like.
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Stairmaster posted:According to promotional materials for movie 5, it's Salza's. What? I've never heard this before, although the wiki says that Salza knows what Ginyu originally looked like(and that Ginyu fought with Salza to lead Cooler's elite mooks).
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