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The time honoured tradition of blowing up our old poo poo.
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Mar 21, 2015 11:49
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Daktari posted:The time honoured tradition of blowing up our old poo poo. This never gets old by the way.
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Mar 21, 2015 12:46
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Is the dark dusty stuff in the initial blast sea floor that has been kicked up?      
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Mar 21, 2015 13:23
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All I want is for a small yield nuclear blast to get captured on a UHD camera is that so much to ask for
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Mar 21, 2015 18:10
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Nostalgia4Dicks posted:No idea about anything in this pic Look's like Tirpitzp, Bismarck's sister ship that spent much of WWII hiding in a fjord.
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Mar 21, 2015 23:03
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Potential BFF posted:Is the dark dusty stuff in the initial blast sea floor that has been kicked up? Castle Bravo was even worse.
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Mar 22, 2015 00:04
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Jonad posted:Look's like Tirpitzp, Bismarck's sister ship that spent much of WWII hiding in a fjord. Which was attacked in a hell of a raid put on by 200 something ballsy as gently caress Brits.
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Mar 22, 2015 00:54
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Dead Reckoning posted:Yup. The underwater blast in Crossroads-Baker was dirty, and left fission products, radioactive material, and contaminated sand from the lagoon all over the site. That's what tends to happen when you overshoot your expected yield by 300%. holocaust bloopers posted:Which was attacked in a hell of a raid put on by 200 something ballsy as gently caress Brits. Not just once. One manned torpedo attack, one midget submarine attack, and more air raids than you can shake a stick at, including the last couple (which finally did her in), which consisted of a bunch of Lancasters all carrying huge gently caress-off Tallboy bombs.
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Mar 22, 2015 01:57
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And the Tallboy was the loving miniaturized version.
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Mar 22, 2015 02:14
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iyaayas01 posted:That's what tends to happen when you overshoot your expected yield by 300%. Wait sorry I was thinking on the St. Nazaire Raide, which is goddamn insanity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Nazaire_Raid
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Mar 22, 2015 02:18
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/\ oh lol. Yeah that's a whole 'nother level of insanity. Definitely the Greatest Raid of All. /\Godholio posted:And the Tallboy was the loving miniaturized version. Ayup. I think my favorite part is that it took a month for the explosive fill to cool and set after being poured into the casing. iyaayas01 fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Mar 22, 2015 |
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Mar 22, 2015 02:19
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Jonad posted:Look's like Tirpitzp, Bismarck's sister ship that spent much of WWII hiding in a fjord. That's what came to mind too, but the scale feels off.  The ship in the first photo seems more about the size of a corvette or minesweeper.
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Mar 22, 2015 04:04
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C.M. Kruger posted:That's what came to mind too, but the scale feels off. Yeah there's no way that original picture is of the Tirpitz. She was never parked that close to shore in a random non-dredged for port purposes fjord (no way she would fit without grounding) and she was never camouflaged in that fashion as far as I know because it would be pretty ludicrous to cover an entire literal battleship in camo netting. The Germans rigged up a smoke generation system that could cover the entire fjord with smoke in a matter of minutes. Also the silhouette isn't right, the Tirpitz had a funnel just aft of the bridge superstructure that isn't evident in that picture. And I agree that the scale is off.
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Mar 22, 2015 04:24
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What a dumb thing to do. Build a massive loving ship and then just hide it because you're afraid to actually use it.
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Mar 22, 2015 04:30
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There's no way that it's Tirpitz. The ship in question was/is allegedly Swedish, but the photo has been passed around the internet so much that it's tough to trawl through all the poo poo Google returns. A cursory skim yields this post on reddit and this possible parking spot for the photo. No idea on even what class it is, though. 
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Mar 22, 2015 04:35
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ded posted:What a dumb thing to do. Build a massive loving ship and then just hide it because you're afraid to actually use it. That's kind of what happened with the Yamato and the Musashi, too. At least the Germans don't masturbate to the supposed battle prowess of the Bismarck and Tirpitz.
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Mar 22, 2015 04:35
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ded posted:What a dumb thing to do. Build a massive loving ship and then just hide it because you're afraid to actually use it. The British were so loving keyed up on destroying the goddamn ship that they were on the offensive for it from day one. Had the Germans let the Tirpitz out in the wild, it would've been sunk rather quickly.
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Mar 22, 2015 04:37
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ded posted:What a dumb thing to do. Build a massive loving ship and then just hide it because you're afraid to actually use it. Well, the Bismark was sunk before Tirpitz ever got the chance to do anything (edit: less than 2 months apart)...at this point it was painfully clear that massive battleships were just giant bullseyes for Allied air forces. However, parking Tirpitz up in Norway tied up a fair amount of Allied ships that were basically posted to make sure it stayed there. Which is more than it would've ever accomplished out at sea...the Brits would've thrown everything they had in the air or on water to keep it from making it into the open Atlantic. I'm sure that prior to the Bismark going down, the Germans had big plans for Tirpitz.
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Mar 22, 2015 04:39
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Yeah, resource expenditures to build the drat thing in the first place aside (which gets into a strategic level discussion about battlewagons vs carriers and associated resourcing decisions), using it as a fleet (or ship I guess) in waiting in order to tie up inordinate British capital ships in the ETO for the purposes of convoy protection was a pretty good stratagem on the part of the Germans. Because like Godholio pointed out, by that point in the war it was completely obvious (in case the Bismarck wasn't a good enough example) that Axis capital ships were just targets for Allied airpower in the open ocean. I mean, something like 5 RN battleships set sail for the Pacific soon after the Tirpitz was officially finally totally capsized/sunk, so it's not like it was just hanging out in Norway not accomplishing anything. e: Regarding the Brits throwing everything they had in order to make sure Tirpitz didn't make it into the open Atlantic, exhibit a for that would be their response to the Channel Dash. Even though they were caught completely off-guard due to some timing shenanigans on the part of the Germans, they still threw everything that was available at the German fleet (and suffered casualties on the aviation side of things just a bit under what VT-8 suffered at Midway). And that was just for a couple of battlecruisers and a heavy cruiser heading the wrong way. For a Bismarck class battleship heading into open waters/towards Allied convoys the Home Fleet would've been sortied in force and every available plane that could carry a bomb would've been thrown at it. e2: If we want to be completely honest it's less an Allied vs Axis thing and more a "unescorted capital ships in the open" thing, since the Tirpitz would have no air cover in open waters due to Germany's lack of carriers. The Prince of Wales and Repulse were the first examples of what happens to capital vessels without air cover. iyaayas01 fucked around with this message at 05:09 on Mar 22, 2015 |
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Mar 22, 2015 04:58
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXusKM5uX0s
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Mar 22, 2015 13:56
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 Doris Bankhead went to Saipan and found himself a machine gun.
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Mar 22, 2015 15:49
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Psy-ops Iraqi style https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlOVOcX2dWw
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Mar 22, 2015 15:54
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Y'all missed the important part. Tallboys are earthquake bombs, which in and of its self is awesome. But in that class of bombs is the coolest name ever for a bomb. The T-12 Cloudmaker. Its called the loving Cloudmaker. Here. Have a war story presented by GIP's favorite brit after the Queen, Jermey Clarkson.
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Mar 22, 2015 16:15
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 100% worth watching.
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Mar 22, 2015 16:50
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Bernard McFacknutah posted:Psy-ops Iraqi style Why did we not help the kurds in the first iraq war.
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Mar 22, 2015 17:58
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We did. Then we abandoned them. Then we helped them again. Then we abandoned them. I don't know how many times that process was repeated, but I personally watched Turkey bomb the poo poo out of them during OIF, so it's hardly ancient history.
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Mar 22, 2015 18:07
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ded posted:Why did we not help the kurds in the first iraq war. US middle east policy has never been coherent, and often literally delusional. Hey lets invade a country and depose a dictator that is the only thing preventing widespread sectarian strife/war. They all yearn for FREEDOM so they will figure it out. Sunnis? Shias? Whats that.  Hearts + Minds.
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Mar 22, 2015 18:08
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Godholio posted:We did. Then we abandoned them. Then we helped them again. Then we abandoned them. I don't know how many times that process was repeated, but I personally watched Turkey bomb the poo poo out of them during OIF, so it's hardly ancient history. Also, Turkey wanted to "help" the US invaison by breaking through fromt he North to secure* kurdish settlements and stop Iraqi Forces from retreating in to the West. The Bush administration declined and it kinda started our modern issues with Turkey *Murder every Kurd they saw and burnt he evidence
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Mar 22, 2015 18:43
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Jonad posted:Look's like Tirpitzp, Bismarck's sister ship that spent much of WWII hiding in a fjord. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_coastal_defence_ship_Ilmarinen
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Mar 22, 2015 19:21
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I remember watching the TV together with my dad when this chapper said some words: We both knew he was full of poo poo, and we had some laughs about it. 
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Mar 22, 2015 19:42
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Justufinhaamu posted:Seen the picture before and its a Finnish ship, cant remember if it was Ilmarinen or its sister ship, Väinämöinen in that picture. Jeez, 10" guns on a 4000 ton ship. That's impressive.
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Mar 22, 2015 19:50
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The US middle eastern policy is one where we try to make everyone happy so we inevitably piss everyone of because we can't cope with the idea that people there cannot be forced to be friends.
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Mar 22, 2015 20:34
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This is why space travel is so important. Just ship everybody off in different directions and don't tell anybody where anybody else went.
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Mar 22, 2015 21:46
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Aim the troublemakers toward the sun.
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Mar 22, 2015 21:48
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I didn't say anybody had to be shot at a planet
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Mar 22, 2015 21:49
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Nostalgia4Murder posted:
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Mar 22, 2015 22:00
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Daktari posted:I remember watching the TV together with my dad when this chapper said some words: And so we went to war  Spicy Guacamole posted:Aim the troublemakers toward the sun. He said shoot everyone in different directions. That'd put every human being in the same spot!
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Mar 23, 2015 02:19
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You can shoot them in different directions so that they all still wind up in the sun. Where's our resident Kerbal Space Scientist?
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Mar 23, 2015 02:47
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Cannot stress enough how excellent of a watch this is. This Jeremy Clarkson-led telling of the St. Nazaire raid is how I learned of it.
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Mar 23, 2015 02:49
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Spicy Guacamole posted:You can shoot them in different directions so that they all still wind up in the sun. Where's our resident Kerbal Space Scientist? Yo. Sundiving is difficult on account of the dV you need. Dropping something into the sun involves slowing it down enough that the lowest part of its orbit intersects with the star. It's possible but you would either need a shitload of fuel to do the job quickly or tons of time (think decades) to tweak the lowest part of the orbit when you reach the highest point with a less powerful but more fuel efficient engine.
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