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Peel
Dec 3, 2007

I love every one of those articles.

"It's true we own a farm of geese that lay golden eggs, but you know, that doesn't stretch very far when you have to pay for a second house and a live-in servant staff and private tutoring from nobel prizewinners for the kids, not to mention the maintenance and flight costs for the annual getaway to our private island. The cost of living in this town is ridiculous."

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Kraftwerk
Aug 13, 2011
i do not have 10,000 bircoins, please stop asking

What happens when someone fails to pay their condo starta fees? Do they get "evicted" from a place that they own? When I look at how that particular expense balloons over the first few years of a condo's lifetime I seriously question just how useful it is to buy one in the first place. You're basically paying rent for a place you own.

Mrs. Wynand
Nov 23, 2002

DLT 4EVA

Kraftwerk posted:

What happens when someone fails to pay their condo starta fees? Do they get "evicted" from a place that they own? When I look at how that particular expense balloons over the first few years of a condo's lifetime I seriously question just how useful it is to buy one in the first place. You're basically paying rent for a place you own.

Presumably it's the same as any other unpaid bill. Credit rating gets hosed, collections may be involved etc.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Peel posted:

I love every one of those articles.

"It's true we own a farm of geese that lay golden eggs, but you know, that doesn't stretch very far when you have to pay for a second house and a live-in servant staff and private tutoring from nobel prizewinners for the kids, not to mention the maintenance and flight costs for the annual getaway to our private island. The cost of living in this town is ridiculous."

:lol: Reminds me of this,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8wiudhAhaA&t=492s
8:12 if the timestamp isn't working

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005
I think we hit "peak dumb NP finance people" with that $300k a year family that worked two days a week.

Gorau
Apr 28, 2008

Kraftwerk posted:

What happens when someone fails to pay their condo starta fees? Do they get "evicted" from a place that they own? When I look at how that particular expense balloons over the first few years of a condo's lifetime I seriously question just how useful it is to buy one in the first place. You're basically paying rent for a place you own.

The strata can put a lien against your condo. If the unpaid fees get large enough they could probably go to court to force a sale.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Kraftwerk posted:

You're basically paying rent for a place you own.

People love to look at it this way and say you're throwing your money away if you live in a condo. This isn't really so, though, because the condo fees cover a lot of stuff that you'd be paying for yourself in a detached house. My condo fees cover snow removal in the winter, lawn mowing in the summer, gardening, making sure the exterior windows of the building are clean, maintenance for the exercise equipment and hot tub, use of the same, cleaning of the garage, and any sort of maintenance that has to be done on the building itself (plumbing, electrical, fire systems, security systems). It's not a bad deal at all.

Kraftwerk
Aug 13, 2011
i do not have 10,000 bircoins, please stop asking

PT6A posted:

People love to look at it this way and say you're throwing your money away if you live in a condo. This isn't really so, though, because the condo fees cover a lot of stuff that you'd be paying for yourself in a detached house. My condo fees cover snow removal in the winter, lawn mowing in the summer, gardening, making sure the exterior windows of the building are clean, maintenance for the exercise equipment and hot tub, use of the same, cleaning of the garage, and any sort of maintenance that has to be done on the building itself (plumbing, electrical, fire systems, security systems). It's not a bad deal at all.

Ok that's fair. But I'm told most of the condo boards are pretty much woefully incompetent which means the building either falls into disrepair or they can't sort out the condo's finances.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Kraftwerk posted:

Ok that's fair. But I'm told most of the condo boards are pretty much woefully incompetent which means the building either falls into disrepair or they can't sort out the condo's finances.

It depends. I can only judge by the one I'm living in now, and while I don't agree with everything they do, the building is very well-maintained and the financials are strong. I attend the AGM every year, and actually pay attention to what's going on.

We had a special assessment the other year for a new emergency power system and better pumping systems in the basement. It was $1700 for me, which I wasn't happy about, but then the next year the big floods hit and everything worked marvellously here. The only problem is that the backup generators don't power the ventilation system in the garage, so even if it's lit and you can get in and out, you can't actually use your car because the CO builds up to dangerous levels. I got the gently caress out of dodge the night of that underground fire, but everyone that waited until the next afternoon had their cars stuck in the garage.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Kraftwerk posted:

Ok that's fair. But I'm told most of the condo boards are pretty much woefully incompetent which means the building either falls into disrepair or they can't sort out the condo's finances.

Yup, you're simply hosed if there's no one experienced with maintaining property sitting in the board. If you're buying an old condo you can mitigate against this by looking into the finances but if you're buying into a condo which is recently built (or not built at all) you're essentially playing roulette with the investment of your life.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
http://www.macleans.ca/economy/economicanalysis/canadas-population-is-getting-older-faster-than-we-thought/

Canada's population is aging faster than orginally thought.

Precambrian Video Games
Aug 19, 2002
Probation
Can't post for 6 hours!
Spiteful baby boomers are now aging at the rate of 1.5 years per annum, getting sick and costing our health care system billions but still refusing to retire or die or stop voting Conservative.

unlimited shrimp
Aug 30, 2008
Stats like these seem really important. It's a shame we don't have some sort of national program in place for systematically acquiring and recording information about the members of a given population.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe

unlimited shrimp posted:

Stats like these seem really important. It's a shame we don't have some sort of national program in place for systematically acquiring and recording information about the members of a given population.

and violate your privacy???????????????????????????????????????????????????

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
On the topic of Steve-O Harper's gutting of the census.

http://www.macleans.ca/economy/economicanalysis/did-losing-the-long-form-census-weaken-canadas-jobs-data/

quote:

Did losing the long-form census weaken Canada’s jobs data?
Chief Statistician Wayne Smith claims it’s a ‘myth’ that the loss of the long-form census affected the reliability of the Labour Force Survey. I disagree.

The monthly Labour Force Survey is one of the most important pieces of information that Statistics Canada provides. It’s mandatory, disseminated without cost, and there is no way similar information could be collected by a private sector provider. It comes out mere days after the survey questions are put to respondents, providing an important, timely and up-to-date picture of the performance of Canada’s economy. In contrast, GDP numbers arrive months after the fact and are often subject to large revisions. The Labour Force Survey is exactly what a national statistics agency ought to be doing and, in my view, the end product is of very high quality.

Over the past year, several private sector economists have challenged the method and reliability of the Labour Force Survey. See Bank of Montreal’s Doug Porter in the Globe and Mail, for example. In response, Chief Statistician Wayne Smith has written a blog post and a Globe and Mail article defending the Labour Force Survey against several claims, which he denounces as “myths.” Smith makes several reasonable rebuttals about survey volatility and funding for the survey. However, in my view, Smith trips over one important issue: whether or not the Labour Force Survey is adversely affected by the loss of the long-form census. He goes so far as to claim as “myth” the idea that the Labour Force Survey is affected by the replacement of the long-form census by the more expensive and less reliable National Household Survey. I disagree.

The Labour Force Survey uses the census in several ways. One use for the census is in picking which households get asked to respond to the survey. Rather than randomly picking from the millions of households across Canada, Statistics Canada uses a standard “stratified sampling“ approach that targets certain areas in order to improve reliability. Another major use for the census is to form the benchmark weights that are used to make sure the Labour Force Survey is representative.

Smith claims the new Labour Force Survey method depends only on the mandatory short-form part of the 2011 census, not the voluntary 2011 National Household Survey. The Labour Force Survey method was recently updated to incorporate the 2011 short-form census results—presumably, updating both the way that the sample is chosen and the way the sample is weighted.

I say “presumably,” because the most recent complete method document I can find is from 2008. In that document, it is very clear that the census plays a very important role in the method of the Labour Force Survey. In fact, a quick “control F” search of the document reveals the word “census” appears 127 times. Looking through these instances, you can see the long-form census was used in a variety of ways. Sometimes, it was to cross-check an assumption or a decision they made in designing the Labour Force Survey. In other places, it is clear they used the long-form census explicitly to pick which households get surveyed. To give one precise example, page 19 of the method document explicitly references income taken from the 2001 Census—and income is not available on the short-form census.

In short, I think Smith’s “myth” is a miss.

I have complete confidence in Smith’s claim that the 2015 Labour Force Survey method now uses only the short-form census for selecting and weighting households. However, it is equally clear that, until now, the Labour Force Survey relied on the long-form census. This change raises several important questions: Why make a change? Why was the National Household Survey discarded? Is the Labour Force Survey improved by ignoring the National Household Survey? Why and how?




quote:

I have a pretty good idea why Statistics Canada discarded its own expensive National Household Survey for designing the Labour Force Survey: The response rate from the National Household Survey is low, and varies strongly within regions. As one example, above is a map made by Dwight Follick that compares the response rate at the “dissemination area” level for Toronto from the 2006 long-form census and the 2011 National Household Survey. Similar maps are available from Follick for Montreal, Ottawa, London, Calgary, Edmonton and Vancouver. The pictures aren’t pretty; the response rate fell dramatically, rendering the results of the National Household Survey much less reliable.

Smith might be correct that the Labour Force Survey method changes aren’t large enough to make much difference. But we will never actually know, since we can’t compare the new results to the previous method, because the 2011 long-form census doesn’t exist, so we can’t check.

I will continue to use and trust the Labour Force Survey, myself. However, the switch to the National Household Survey has degraded some of the tools that Statistics Canada has used until now to make the Labour Force Survey—and other Statistics Canada products—reliable.

blah_blah
Apr 15, 2006

HookShot posted:

I think we hit "peak dumb NP finance people" with that $300k a year family that worked two days a week.

Yeah, that will never be topped. But we shouldn't allow them to shift the goalposts like that. We should still be able to laugh at garden-variety idiots-with-money.

ChipNDip
Sep 6, 2010

How many deaths are prevented by an executive order that prevents big box stores from selling seeds, furniture, and paint?

apatheticman posted:

Every time I click on one of those they have a defined benefit plan.

Makes it seem like they are super common where in most cases its like finding a loving unicorn outside of civil service.

They always have massive travel and food budgets as well. $12,000 a year for a young couple? And they spend $1000 a month on food for 2 people + the same on restaurants. One or the other is super-eye raising, both is just nuts. I know Canada is a little pricier than the U.S., but come on.

MrChips
Jun 10, 2005

FLIGHT SAFETY TIP: Fatties out first

Guys you're not reading between the lines here.

$1000/month for "eating out" is code for $1000/month for drugs.

JacobinPhoney
Mar 21, 2013

If only we had a way of tracking our country's population growth and demographics through some sort of census...

Rot
Apr 18, 2005

Wasn't sure if this was more appropriate for this thread, or the regular CanPol thread.

Vancouver.jpg


DSCF3510-Edit.jpg
by Brian.M.K, on Flickr

Oakland Martini
Feb 14, 2008

D&D: HASBARA SQUAD
THE APARTHEID ACADEMIC


It's important that institutions never take a stance like "genocide is bad". Now get out there and crack some of my students' skulls.

ChipNDip posted:

They always have massive travel and food budgets as well. $12,000 a year for a young couple? And they spend $1000 a month on food for 2 people + the same on restaurants. One or the other is super-eye raising, both is just nuts. I know Canada is a little pricier than the U.S., but come on.

$12,000 per year is a lot for travel, I guess, but it's not that hard to do. Travel is insanely expensive. My girlfriend and I will have probably spent, by the end of April, somewhere around $40,000 on travel during the previous year. The 1-week liveaboard scuba trip we took in the Galapagos was close to $14,000 for the two of us alone. Not that this is sustainable behavior, but I say when you're young you ought to take advantage of your spryness and travel as much as you can.

blah_blah
Apr 15, 2006

Rot posted:

Vancouver.jpg

Hey, it's my old neighborhood.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Rot posted:

Wasn't sure if this was more appropriate for this thread, or the regular CanPol thread.

Vancouver.jpg


DSCF3510-Edit.jpg
by Brian.M.K, on Flickr

I didn't see the N plate at first, so I thought you were mistaken, but then when I located I realized that this was indeed Peak Vancouver.

Rot
Apr 18, 2005

PT6A posted:

Peak Vancouver.

It sure is:
- rain
- condos as far as the eye can see
- yuppy all expeditioned-out, complete with walking poles, marching towards Whole Foods
- $400,000 car with garrish vinyl and N tag, parked on the street

Rot fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Mar 23, 2015

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
I just saw a commercial for a show called Game of Homes, where apparently they're going to lift and then barge a bunch of houses to Vancouver, renovate them and then sell them. I assume there's some sort of competition element too.

I want very much for everyone in creating and promoting that idea to die a painful death.

Squibbles
Aug 24, 2000

Mwaha ha HA ha!

PT6A posted:

I just saw a commercial for a show called Game of Homes, where apparently they're going to lift and then barge a bunch of houses to Vancouver, renovate them and then sell them. I assume there's some sort of competition element too.

I want very much for everyone in creating and promoting that idea to die a painful death.
Which is funny because who cares about the cost of the actual house in Vancouver. It's the land that costs

Rick Rickshaw
Feb 21, 2007

I am not disappointed I lost the PGA Championship. Nope, I am not.

Oakland Martini posted:

$12,000 per year is a lot for travel, I guess, but it's not that hard to do. Travel is insanely expensive. My girlfriend and I will have probably spent, by the end of April, somewhere around $40,000 on travel during the previous year. The 1-week liveaboard scuba trip we took in the Galapagos was close to $14,000 for the two of us alone. Not that this is sustainable behavior, but I say when you're young you ought to take advantage of your spryness and travel as much as you can.

Holy jesus. Please tell me you have zero debt and just make a fuckton and/or rich parents.

JawKnee
Mar 24, 2007





You'll take the ride to leave this town along that yellow line

Oakland Martini posted:

$12,000 per year is a lot for travel, I guess, but it's not that hard to do. Travel is insanely expensive. My girlfriend and I will have probably spent, by the end of April, somewhere around $40,000 on travel during the previous year. The 1-week liveaboard scuba trip we took in the Galapagos was close to $14,000 for the two of us alone. Not that this is sustainable behavior, but I say when you're young you ought to take advantage of your spryness and travel as much as you can.

lol

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
Stop rich hating you poors

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum

PT6A posted:

I just saw a commercial for a show called Game of Homes, where apparently they're going to lift and then barge a bunch of houses to Vancouver, renovate them and then sell them. I assume there's some sort of competition element too.

I want very much for everyone in creating and promoting that idea to die a painful death.

Yeah they were filming this down where the Cirque Du Soliel sets up by Science World, back in the early fall last year. I'm fairly certain they demolished all the houses regardless of what the show claims though.

Either way it's a loving horrific waste of resources by every conceivable measure. :negative:

Oakland Martini posted:

$12,000 per year is a lot for travel, I guess, but it's not that hard to do. Travel is insanely expensive. My girlfriend and I will have probably spent, by the end of April, somewhere around $40,000 on travel during the previous year. The 1-week liveaboard scuba trip we took in the Galapagos was close to $14,000 for the two of us alone. Not that this is sustainable behavior, but I say when you're young you ought to take advantage of your spryness and travel as much as you can.

HTH: $40k would let you comfortably live like a king for a good half a decade in most of the world. Travel isn't insanely expensive in the slightest, "travelling" like a nouveau-riche dumbass and pissing money into the wind sure is though. :ssh:

Rime fucked around with this message at 03:13 on Mar 23, 2015

blah_blah
Apr 15, 2006

Oakland Martini posted:

$12,000 per year is a lot for travel, I guess, but it's not that hard to do. Travel is insanely expensive. My girlfriend and I will have probably spent, by the end of April, somewhere around $40,000 on travel during the previous year. The 1-week liveaboard scuba trip we took in the Galapagos was close to $14,000 for the two of us alone. Not that this is sustainable behavior, but I say when you're young you ought to take advantage of your spryness and travel as much as you can.

Can't you use research funding to pay for this or something?

unlimited shrimp
Aug 30, 2008

Oakland Martini posted:

$12,000 per year is a lot for travel, I guess, but it's not that hard to do. Travel is insanely expensive. My girlfriend and I will have probably spent, by the end of April, somewhere around $40,000 on travel during the previous year. The 1-week liveaboard scuba trip we took in the Galapagos was close to $14,000 for the two of us alone. Not that this is sustainable behavior, but I say when you're young you ought to take advantage of your spryness and travel as much as you can.
Satire is cool & good

Oakland Martini
Feb 14, 2008

D&D: HASBARA SQUAD
THE APARTHEID ACADEMIC


It's important that institutions never take a stance like "genocide is bad". Now get out there and crack some of my students' skulls.
I guess I should have said that scuba diving at the world's best sites is expensive, ha. If you want to dive with whale sharks and thousands of hammerheads at Darwin's Arch in the Galapagos, you're paying 7 large per person (with the CAD in the shitter as it is) or you're not going at all --- there are only three boats that do it and they're all insanely overpriced. Regardless, I'm not going to apologize for diving in Australia, the Galapagos, Borneo, and Indonesia in the same year :D The rest of the time our travel is pretty rustic; out of the month we spent in Australia over the summer the vast majority was a camping road trip.

Zero debt, no kids (obviously), both make six figures. I did pay for my first trip to Borneo mostly out of research funds, but I have yet to figure out how to expense a liveaboard trip. I need to find a few macroeconomists who dive and set up a "conference" I guess.

Oakland Martini fucked around with this message at 03:38 on Mar 23, 2015

Oakland Martini
Feb 14, 2008

D&D: HASBARA SQUAD
THE APARTHEID ACADEMIC


It's important that institutions never take a stance like "genocide is bad". Now get out there and crack some of my students' skulls.

unlimited shrimp posted:

Satire is cool & good

Ok, maybe I exaggerated. Looking at my travel expense spreadsheets it was closer to $30K.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe

quote:

Scuba is expensive, ha.

ha

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Oakland Martini posted:

Zero debt, no kids (obviously), both make six figures.

Despite the fact you appear to be in the perfect financial position to do this if it floats your boat, expect people to still be angry about it, because no matter what anyone says, there's a lot of jealousy in this thread.

blah_blah
Apr 15, 2006

Oakland Martini posted:

Zero debt, no kids (obviously), both make six figures. I did pay for my first trip to Borneo mostly out of research funds, but I have yet to figure out how to expense a liveaboard trip. I need to find a few macroeconomists who dive and set up a "conference" I guess.

Man, TT jobs pay 6 figures? I assumed they were more in the 75-90k range. Must be nice to go into a field that actually has a path from grad school -> TT job without languishing in postdoc hell for a while.

David Corbett
Feb 6, 2008

Courage, my friends; 'tis not too late to build a better world.

PT6A posted:

Despite the fact you appear to be in the perfect financial position to do this if it floats your boat, expect people to still be angry about it, because no matter what anyone says, there's a lot of jealousy in this thread.

Yeah. If I had that kind of resources (and had already covered my bases!), I'd probably want to throw money around like a madman, too. We all have our own priorities, though.

E: VVVV: :smuggo:

David Corbett fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Mar 23, 2015

flashman
Dec 16, 2003

Jealous? As if.. You probably flew coach

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Oakland Martini
Feb 14, 2008

D&D: HASBARA SQUAD
THE APARTHEID ACADEMIC


It's important that institutions never take a stance like "genocide is bad". Now get out there and crack some of my students' skulls.

blah_blah posted:

Man, TT jobs pay 6 figures? I assumed they were more in the 75-90k range. Must be nice to go into a field that actually has a path from grad school -> TT job without languishing in postdoc hell for a while.

Econ has some good outside options that push salaries up, what can I say? My gf has a phd too but is in the private sector, actually just started a data science thing like you do if I remember correctly.

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