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Rebochan posted:Oh boy, I think I'm going to have some fun reading that poo poo when I get home tonight. Those essays are anything but what you described but I'm sure it'll seem that way. Confirmation bias and all that. It's quite alright to criticize someone's work but going in poised to hate something because it disagrees with your darling isn't a healthy stance to take.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:I'm quite sure that "nice guys" morphed into MRAs. They had to go somewhere. Eh they're both still around.
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Jimbot posted:Those essays are anything but what you described but I'm sure it'll seem that way. Confirmation bias and all that. It's quite alright to criticize someone's work but going in poised to hate something because it disagrees with your darling isn't a healthy stance to take.
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# ? Mar 23, 2015 18:39 |
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I've been to this thread twice and seen you use this smiley both times. Hellthread is currently 1,325 pages. ...it's the wrong smiley.
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I've already quoted parts from this section, but Imma just quote the whole thing here because it's so deeply, deeply strange:quote:Gaming was founded on people who were bullied in other places. I won't be a part of becoming bullies ourselves. An attempt to oppress ones oppressor does not end oppression. We can't solve sexism with Mean Girling, and we can't solve a sense of female inadequacy with Queen Bee tactics. Anita Sarkeesian should not have the right to determine that my body type is inherently bad when used in video games.
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quote:Gaming was founded on people who were bullied in other places. I won't be a part of becoming bullies ourselves. An attempt to oppress ones oppressor does not end oppression. We can't solve sexism with Mean Girling, and we can't solve a sense of female inadequacy with Queen Bee tactics. Anita Sarkeesian should not have the right to determine that my body type is inherently bad when used in video games.
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Darth Walrus posted:I've already quoted parts from this section, but Imma just quote the whole thing here because it's so deeply, deeply strange: This part got quoted earlier, but I have some actual CONTENT FOR THE THREAD that relates to it: quote:Video games are art, and art should not censor content simply to appease extreme North American political beliefs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzPXObE7SUc Just dropped today in fact.
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Darth Walrus posted:I've already quoted parts from this section, but Imma just quote the whole thing here because it's so deeply, deeply strange: This article writer is so good at willfully missing the point she beat Aban Hawkins and the 1001 Spikes with zero deaths. e: WHATCHA GONNA DO WHEN MOVIE NIGHT'S EPISODE 2 ON THUNDER IN PARADISE GOES WILD ON YOU? The next episode on French Puss and Boots is up on Phelous' website too. dijon du jour fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Mar 23, 2015 |
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Good to see this guy is still around.
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quote:Right now, the gaming industry is catering to a handful of women who personify the nagging wife or girlfriend; that, in itself, is rooted in sexist assumptions about what women can be in gaming and the world at large. These are words a person wrote thinking they were making a good point. Oh god I can't even make it to the end of part 1. What the gently caress is this.
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# ? Mar 23, 2015 19:08 |
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Rebochan posted:This part got quoted earlier, but I have some actual CONTENT FOR THE THREAD that relates to it: I cannot honestly believe there is anyone on earth who cares enough about DmC to care what cuts are made to it.
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# ? Mar 23, 2015 19:09 |
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That Jim guy looks like a rapist. He scares me.
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# ? Mar 23, 2015 19:11 |
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Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:I cannot honestly believe there is anyone on earth who cares enough about DmC to care what cuts are made to it. I thought it was okay? It still has you fight the giant holographic head of satanic Bill O'Rielly right?
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dijon du jour posted:WHATCHA GONNA DO WHEN MOVIE NIGHT'S EPISODE 2 ON THUNDER IN PARADISE GOES WILD ON YOU? I'm so glad Movie Nights exists because otherwise I would never have learned that Night Boat actually exists.
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Archer666 posted:Good to see this guy is still around. Man, Marv from Home Alone fell on some hard times
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Leal posted:Man, Marv from Home Alone fell on some hard times I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that!
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Leal posted:Man, Marv from Home Alone fell on some hard times I guess the Furry Bandits didn't take off
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I really don't know what to say, and let's leave it at that. Wrestling! I always thought it was something dumb for my little brother, but I guess people care about it. Spoony's videos are a bit intimidating, is there any guide or history to a newcomer? E. watching the Landis video BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Mar 23, 2015 |
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Rebochan posted:I guess the Furry Bandits didn't take off He was taking the sticky bandits in a more weirder and uncomfortable direction.
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# ? Mar 23, 2015 19:26 |
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"For Anita, Zoe, Brianna, Matti," *breathes* "Leigh, Samantha and Jen." The lord of the nerds then raised his hammer toward Valhalla. A lighting bolt fell from the sky and in a flash of light he was gone. Sephiroth_IRA fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Mar 23, 2015 |
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:
Death of WCW is a pretty good look at some wrestling history mixed with an insane business story. The Attitude Era podcast is also a great look at that era for newcomers. The OSW podcast looks at the Hulkamania era and New Generation podcast looks at the era right after that. AE is the best though. If you wanna check it out, try the WWE Network, there's usually a free month going on at some point to try and it's 10 bucks a month so you can binge on all the older stuff while getting all the new PPVs streaming live free. It also has NXT which is the best wrestling going right now in the mainstream. V-----Yup, most of their original content is pretty good. Monday Night Wars is very much 'history written by the victors' at times so be aware of that. Countdown is really really fun and they put up great documentaries on wrestlers, tag teams and different events in particular to check out every so often. Also be sure to check out the Stone Cold podcast interviews with HHH and Vince as they're REALLY good looks behind the scenes of the business. OldTennisCourt fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Mar 23, 2015 |
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I'm told the WWE Network has a bunch of ESPN style documentaries that are good intros to wrestling.
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Darth Walrus posted:I've already quoted parts from this section, but Imma just quote the whole thing here because it's so deeply, deeply strange: I keep seeing stuff about how gaming was started by people who were bullied and the original gamers were all bullied and it just doesn't gel with my memories of how that poo poo went down. When I was a kid, every kid wanted a game console and would be jealous of the kids who had one at home. Sure, I was bullied as a nerd, but never ebcause I was a gamer. The bullies were gamers too, even! As for the founders of gaming, they were a corporate conman who hired a bunch of stoners to make games for him. Then they sold out and became corporate and gaming was born. It's even a much more interesting story.
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MonsieurChoc posted:As for the founders of gaming, they were a corporate conman who hired a bunch of stoners to make games for him. Then they sold out and became corporate and gaming was born. It's even a much more interesting story. It's not a story that lets them be victims, though.
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Tae posted:I'm told the WWE Network has a bunch of ESPN style documentaries that are good intros to wrestling. Right now the Network have the Paul Hayman documentary and it is a good watch. he need a movie made after him and it need to be directed by Scorsese. the guy have a great eye for seeing future tends and talents in new guys, just don't trust him with your check book.
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WickedHate posted:It's not a story that lets them be victims, though. Well, that's the real reason right there. Re-writing history, perhaps unconsciously, to make yourself the victim. As something of an history-nerd, I hate that kind of poo poo.
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Gaming was founded by Ralph Baer and I won't hear anything otherwise! I can see what she was trying to say with that one, given the rest of that paragraph, but that statement is just wrong.
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Jimbot posted:Gaming was founded by Ralph Baer and I won't hear anything otherwise! Ralph Baer was a nice guy by all accounts I've read, and he made the first videogames, but let's not kid ourselves, "gaming" as a thing was started by the crazy assholes at Atari. Going back to Internet Critics, did anyone dos tuff on early gaming history? Seems like untapped potential. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83ThW_HjtBg
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I agree with people here that FemFreq beyond adequately serves its purpose by making Feminism 101 critiques, and even the most mild and harmless criticisms of pop culture causes MRAs poo poo themselves, long before GamerGate is a thing. In addition to that, despite building a "feminism brand" in such a toxic environment, she didn't have any social media meltdowns often associated with people with a geek feminism brand. This is also an achievement. My only issue (and I know I've said it before in other threads), which I've had long before her Kickstarter, was that she fully embraces the whole You Can Like Problematic ThingsŪ rhetoric, which I often see constrains media criticism. I don't disagree that nothing is perfect, but geek culture often downplays the cynicism of creators because of imaginary goodwill that fanboys and girls believe exists. Considering how there's always untapped talent ready to step in, I wouldn't mind if occasionally racists or sexists lose their jobs if they consistently continue to make racist or sexist content. I'm not talking about single ambiguous examples where a creator could be afforded the benefit of the doubt. I'm talking about creators who consistently make racist/sexist poo poo, don't learn from any backlash, and only see their careers rewarded. I often feel like companies are able to ignore criticisms of lovely things that they know they're doing, yet posture themselves to absorb as much goodwill as possible when they do something long overdue. (None of the blame; all of the credit.) I still don't get the impression that film, television, music, or video game industries are batshit afraid being perceived as racist or sexist, but I often wouldn't mind if they were.
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Coinciding with the whole wrestling talk here, I was just sent this by a friend. I'd love to know if there's some story behind it, or is it just a singular incident of folks goofing around.
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This seems like an odd thing to get upset about :quote:For a long time I was afraid to publicly say what I really believed. Then Anita Sarkeesian encouraged the audience in an XOXO talk to "Listen and believe women" who claim harassment and abuse. Only women. That hit a nerve. I know three different men who have been falsely accused of abuse, and they had their lives dragged through the mud because too many people just took the woman's word regarding what happened. There's nothing in what she links or quotes that suggests the sentiment is exclusive of men. It's just describing something that happened to a woman, and her account of the thing that happened to men that she knows sounds like some kind of false accusation and not the kind of thing mentioned in the clip. "Relational aggression" typically describes malicious gossip or rumor-mongering--not exactly bomb threats or having dozens of pizzas delivered to your house or having teenagers make harassing phone calls to your elderly parents. It's also gross that she calls anyone who disagrees with her a "proxy" for Anita Sarkeesian, when I think they're just people acting of their own volition rather than as a part of some organized action.
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First off I know that she's wrong, and tilting at windmills. The whole "false accusations are the real evil" is the most stereotypical conservative strawman there is. However patriarchal society does make it very difficult for male victims of many kinds of abuse to be taken seriously.
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Liana's just a jealous catty slut and a tool of the Patriarchy.
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PresidentBeard posted:First off I know that she's wrong, and tilting at windmills. The whole "false accusations are the real evil" is the most stereotypical conservative strawman there is. However patriarchal society does make it very difficult for male victims of many kinds of abuse to be taken seriously.
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PresidentBeard posted:First off I know that she's wrong, and tilting at windmills. The whole "false accusations are the real evil" is the most stereotypical conservative strawman there is. However patriarchal society does make it very difficult for male victims of many kinds of abuse to be taken seriously. It's just weird to bring that argument into the discussion in the first place. It's not like anyone minimized the suffering of men under patriarchy in the first place, so I don't see how mentioning it constitutes a critique at all. Nobody who's read literally any introductory book about feminism would disagree that men suffer under patriarchy, and failed aspirational masculinity describes at least half of the gamergators, if not 90% or more. Ditto for women turning to "relational aggression" because they've been taught to avoid confrontation as a means of conflict resolution. Literally feminism 101.
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:"For Anita, Zoe, Brianna, Matti," *breathes* "Leigh, Samantha and Jen." The lord of the nerds then raised his hammer toward Valhalla. A lighting bolt fell from the sky and in a flash of light he was gone. Serene Dragon posted:I think this is my main problem with her essays. There are occasional glimmers of decent points in there that are smothered by condescension, "I'm not one of THOSE girls" sentiment and sometimes just outright bullshit. Twitter feminism is good and if you feel the need to denounce this single brand of feminism, you aren't like the feminists of yore during the Porn Wars of the eighties but an MRA PUA GamerGator...we know this was the claim of fringe anti sex feminists in the 80's and viciously mocked as more destructive then sexist social conservatives in feminist literature like The Handmaiden's Tale, but it also true this time. here's a morbidly obese man to explain feminism and censorship.
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Jack Gladney posted:It's just weird to bring that argument into the discussion in the first place. It's not like anyone minimized the suffering of men under patriarchy in the first place, so I don't see how mentioning it constitutes a critique at all. Nobody who's read literally any introductory book about feminism would disagree that men suffer under patriarchy, and failed aspirational masculinity describes at least half of the gamergators, if not 90% or more. Ditto for women turning to "relational aggression" because they've been taught to avoid confrontation as a means of conflict resolution. Literally feminism 101. The way she framed her outrage was 100% tumblr. She's the same as those people who freak out over the word "idiot" or "dense" just wearing a different team jersey.
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Lichtenstein posted:Coinciding with the whole wrestling talk here, I was just sent this by a friend. I'd love to know if there's some story behind it, or is it just a singular incident of folks goofing around. That's Ophidian and Amasis, who are an anthropomorphic mystic king cobra and a breakdancing pharoah, respectively. I forget whether they used hypnosis as a regular thing at that time or if they did it because they possessed the Eye of Tyr, a mystical norse artifact allowing its possessor to control the minds of others. Chikara has very involved, silly, comic booky storylines, and Gavok did a bunch of writeups on them. http://4thletter.net/category/wrestlecomics/chikara/
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Jack Gladney posted:, and failed aspirational masculinity describes at least half of the gamergators,
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S47je7JgWBA They also had a match involving a 100 year old man, a swamp monster, colonel sanders, and a game of duck duck goose.
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