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Kunster
Dec 24, 2006

MonsieurChoc posted:

Ralph Baer was a nice guy by all accounts I've read, and he made the first videogames, but let's not kid ourselves, "gaming" as a thing was started by the crazy assholes at Atari.

Going back to Internet Critics, did anyone dos tuff on early gaming history? Seems like untapped potential.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83ThW_HjtBg

LazyGameReviews, Doctor Sparkle's Chrontendo, Greg Sewart's Generation-16 come to mind.

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Junkfist
Oct 7, 2004

FRIEND?
When you think about it Liana isn't a real woman, socio-politically.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

NutritiousSnack posted:

Twitter feminism is good and if you feel the need to denounce this single brand of feminism, you aren't like the feminists of yore during the Porn Wars of the eighties but an MRA PUA GamerGator...we know this was the claim of fringe anti sex feminists in the 80's and viciously mocked as more destructive then sexist social conservatives in feminist literature like The Handmaiden's Tale, but it also true this time.


here's a morbidly obese man to explain feminism and censorship.

Nah, I'm pretty sure calling a rival feminist a nagging girlfriend and a damsel for nerds to protect is just super weird and creepy.

Rebochan
Feb 2, 2006

Take my evolution

NutritiousSnack posted:

here's a morbidly obese man to explain feminism and censorship.

Cool, I see you didn't watch the video at all since it had nothing to do with feminism, but it's nice to know just the POSSIBILITY of people maybe sorta talking about feminism is scary.

:allears: For Junkfist!

NutritiousSnack
Jul 12, 2011

Under the vegetable posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S47je7JgWBA

They also had a match involving a 100 year old man, a swamp monster, colonel sanders, and a game of duck duck goose.

When will Floyd Boner return?


Sephiroth_IRA posted:

I can't watch atm but does she literally call her a damsel or does she imply that some nerds see her as a damsel?

I kinda get the latter.

The latter, though she implies that Anita benefits from it hence why she let's it go. would.

I dunno, some of her complaints I don't see but it's kinda funny because that's how it works with nearly every single critic in existence. Getting mad she says some nerds and game reviewers fanatically defend Anita because she brings a a curmudgeon of credibility to their hobby and allow them to practice masculinity affirming benevolent sexism shouldn't even a debate it's so obvious. It's single handily the largest single complaint of male feminists by other feminists. Hell her vague point that Anita occasionally sensationalizes or just plain gets poo poo wrong isn't exactly something that should shock people.

There is a weird cult like mentality that what really is a milquetoast critique of another feminist critic and more prominently fanbase that kinda proves the whole poo poo storm surrounding her isn't just white middle class nerd culture but how internet forms tribal communities that constantly war with one another.

NutritiousSnack fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Mar 23, 2015

Sephiroth_IRA
Mar 31, 2010

Darth Walrus posted:

Nah, I'm pretty sure calling a rival feminist a nagging girlfriend and a damsel for nerds to protect is just super weird and creepy.

I can't watch atm but does she literally call her a damsel or does she imply that some nerds see her as a damsel?

I kinda get the latter.

echopapa
Jun 2, 2005

El Presidente smiles upon this thread.
Are the American messengers of God dead yet?

Archer666
Dec 27, 2008
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbJnJpW2VBw

You can't have wrestling chat without Botchamania. It's basically a collection of gently caress ups that happen during wrestling matches. This is the only wrestling related thing I watch anymore.

Tracula
Mar 26, 2010

PLEASE LEAVE

NutritiousSnack posted:


here's a morbidly obese man to explain feminism and censorship.

Lmao you do know that people bitch that Jim Sterling is an SJW these days and describes himself as a feminist, right?

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Sephiroth_IRA posted:

I can't watch atm but does she literally call her a damsel or does she imply that some nerds see her as a damsel?

I kinda get the latter.

Read my quote a page ago. It's kind of both, and not in a way that makes me want to interpret it charitably. As in, she hypothesises that it's a primary source of Sarkeesian's popularity. Because, of course, nobody could be swayed by her actual arguments.

ACES CURE PLANES
Oct 21, 2010



Goddamn I wish someone would just drop a moratorium on gamergate talk already. It's the worst thing.

Here, have a new Regular Car Review. It's a '95 Roadmaster Sedan. It has wank jokes. It's something, anything, other than gamergate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooFWD5w6pXA

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

It's not a discussion on that, it's about someone's response to another person's video. Both are critics.

NutritiousSnack
Jul 12, 2011

Tracula posted:

Lmao you do know that people bitch that Jim Sterling is an SJW these days and describes himself as a feminist, right?

All I see is a man who weighs 400 pounds and for years has went on autismial lectures.

Junkfist
Oct 7, 2004

FRIEND?
I wish I could enjoy the rich narrative of Professional Wrestling but between the unrealistic body types and the revealing clothing I think there's just too much toxicity in the medium.

NutritiousSnack
Jul 12, 2011

Darth Walrus posted:

Read my quote a page ago. It's kind of both, and not in a way that makes me want to interpret it charitably. As in, she hypothesises that it's a primary source of Sarkeesian's popularity. Because, of course, nobody could be swayed by her actual arguments.

But no one really has and she's made that point. The only people who watch her videos are early supporters who already agreed with her and had been mad at 4chan/Reddit/Insert whatever communities for years for a variety of valid and invalid reasons.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

Kunster posted:

LazyGameReviews, Doctor Sparkle's Chrontendo, Greg Sewart's Generation-16 come to mind.

Thanks, I'll check those out.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

NutritiousSnack posted:

But no one really has and she's made that point. The only people who watch her videos are early supporters who already agreed with her and had been mad at 4chan/Reddit/Insert whatever communities for years for a variety of valid and invalid reasons.

You got any evidence to back that up? Because from what I've seen, her vids have had a pretty big audience.

Rebochan
Feb 2, 2006

Take my evolution

Darth Walrus posted:

You got any evidence to back that up? Because from what I've seen, her vids have had a pretty big audience.

Here's a huge long editorial from the writer of Borderlands 2 responding to a tiny portion of his script being discussed in a tiny portion of one of the Damsel videos:

http://www.gearboxsoftware.com/community/articles/1077/inside-the-box-inclusivity

quote:

So, yes. I wanna talk about inclusivity in Borderlands 2, but I also wanna point out that the following examples aren’t perfect, by any means. After all, I haven't forgotten that Borderlands 2 was rightfully mentioned in Anita Sarkeesian's (extremely intelligent and important) Tropes vs Women in Video Games series and I will make it my goal to never be highlighted in such a context again.

Then of course Tim Schaefer basically became one of the fronts against GG in the industry because he linked Anita's last video, the one that got her chased out of her house by death threats.

Of course, she also received an Ambassador Award from the Game Developer's Conference, which is pretty much our only professional industry show (E3 is the trade show.)

http://www.gamechoiceawards.com/archive/ambassador.html

Gamers responded by threatening to blow up the convention center.

Even Liana K there was complaining that Bioware was allowing her criticism to alter the lore of Dragon Age to make it more "feminst".

But you're right, nobody really does listen to her or anything.

I mean, it's not like this entire loving derail happened because Time Magazine thought she ranked on a list with Pewdiepie for influential people or anything.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

No one should use Anthony Burch for a positive example of anything ever.

NutritiousSnack
Jul 12, 2011

Darth Walrus posted:

You got any evidence to back that up? Because from what I've seen, her vids have had a pretty big audience.
Couple of things.

Getting one million or so views isn't really a big deal (and less), Dragonball Z the abridged series and as do obscure anime musical intros.

Keep in mind every single time when her videos dropped 4chan was the first to start a viewing thread to make fun of them and comment on them together. Anytime any of her videos opened up to voting tens of thousands (if not more) downvoted them into a oblivion just because their gamerz and she's the enemy, without using fancy internet tricks and just out of numbers and weird rear end spite. Neogaf and other sub communities on her side or sick of this poo poo tried forming voting brigades of their own but it never moved the meter whatsoever. I mean look at how quickly "15 invisible benefits of gaming while male" had to be shut down when it was supposed to...I don't dunno when it wad the first one left open forever.

And on her Steam curator page is loving small. Which sounds unimportant and normally would be, but that's who she's supposed to be reaching out to.

Rebochan posted:

But you're right, nobody really does listen to her or anything.

There is a huge difference between getting token nods by the industry when women participation in their fields (on the production end) continues to fall off a loving cliff and forming the connection to the gaming community which was one of the goals.

To put it another way. #GamerGate formed partially because some of them feared her "growing influence" in the industry and aGGros formed because they fear she has none.

NutritiousSnack fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Mar 23, 2015

i am tim!
Jan 5, 2005

God damn it, where are my ant keys?! I'm gonna miss my flight!
Anthony Burch is a positive example that he should have stuck to just doing HAWP.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Anthony Burch loses any points he gets for promoting feminist talking points by being emotionally abusive to his spouse. Also being a generally lovely person.

Junkfist
Oct 7, 2004

FRIEND?

Rebochan posted:

Here's a huge long editorial from the writer of Borderlands 2 responding to a tiny portion of his script being discussed in a tiny portion of one of the Damsel videos:

http://www.gearboxsoftware.com/community/articles/1077/inside-the-box-inclusivity

Then of course Tim Schaefer basically became one of the fronts against GG in the industry because he linked Anita's last video, the one that got her chased out of her house by death threats.

Of course, she also received an Ambassador Award from the Game Developer's Conference, which is pretty much our only professional industry show (E3 is the trade show.)

http://www.gamechoiceawards.com/archive/ambassador.html

Gamers responded by threatening to blow up the convention center.

Even Liana K there was complaining that Bioware was allowing her criticism to alter the lore of Dragon Age to make it more "feminst".

But you're right, nobody really does listen to her or anything.

I mean, it's not like this entire loving derail happened because Time Magazine thought she ranked on a list with Pewdiepie for influential people or anything.

Just come to Hellthread and leave these poor people alone.

Sephiroth_IRA
Mar 31, 2010

PresidentBeard posted:

Anthony Burch loses any points he gets for promoting feminist talking points by being emotionally abusive to his spouse. Also being a generally lovely person.

Pretty much. At least she got the hell out of that and is hopefully living a better life now.

Their ceremony was beautiful though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XshS_6evfp4

Sephiroth_IRA fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Mar 23, 2015

ACES CURE PLANES
Oct 21, 2010



Oh thank Christ, a new Best of the Worst, save us from this, Rich Evans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NTaoheLMvM

Jay O
Oct 9, 2012

being a zombie's not so bad
once you get used to it

ACES CURE PLANES posted:

Oh thank Christ, a new Best of the Worst, save us from this, Rich Evans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NTaoheLMvM

YOUR PRAYERS HAVE BEEN HEARD.



i just really love that gif

WickedHate
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

Jimbot posted:

No one should use Anthony Burch for a positive example of anything ever.

Anthony Burch is the most fake, hypocritical rear end in a top hat ever. He inserts social justice and politics into his writing and brags about it on twitter while almost all of the humor in Borderlands comes from "Psychos". He actually admitted all the ableism in Borderland was awful but that it was too much a part of the series to change. "In for a penny in for a pound" isn't a loving excuse, you dick! I just hate him so much. Everything he says about feminism and poo poo is manufactured to make people like him and give him money, which is true of all the forced social justice stuff in Borderlands, including the stuff written by other people. Janey Springs' entire character is being a lesbian and sexually harassing the other girls in the cast. Nearly every line is about how she likes women. It's so cringe worthy. Even I feel like the series has gone out of it's way to beat people's head in with it's "we're so politically correct and inclusive , don't you love us?" stuff since 2, and I'm a queer woman myself. It's so shallow and just for the sake of manipulating people into buying their terrible expansion pack sequel. Notice how there are no queer player characters, and the only same sex partner the bisexual side character is shown to have is a one off boss from one dlc, while all her other relationships are with men. Oh, but Axton was supposed to be bi, until that got cut for "controversy".

PresidentBeard posted:

Anthony Burch loses any points he gets for promoting feminist talking points by being emotionally abusive to his spouse. Also being a generally lovely person.

I never heard of this, can you elaborate?

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



WickedHate posted:

I never heard of this, can you elaborate?

He pressured his wife into having an open relationship because he thought that one of his exes wanted to bone. This was despite knowing it made his wife intensely uncomfortable.

As for the psychos, a lot of it is hillbilly humor repackaged. Which just like all hillbilly humor ranges from stuff I could take as good fun and generally positive to gros dehumanizing poo poo. The latter in borderlands tends to be how people just turn into sociopaths about killing anytime psychos show up on screen.

Sephiroth_IRA
Mar 31, 2010

ACES CURE PLANES posted:

Oh thank Christ, a new Best of the Worst, save us from this, Rich Evans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NTaoheLMvM

lol I think I just saw the original noisy cricket.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NTaoheLMvM&t=1527s

:lol:

Sephiroth_IRA fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Mar 23, 2015

littleorv
Jan 29, 2011

Jay O posted:

YOUR PRAYERS HAVE BEEN HEARD.



i just really love that gif

Requesting the gif in reverse where he looks like a wizard


VVVVVVVV Excellent

littleorv fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Mar 23, 2015

Testekill
Nov 1, 2012

I demand to be taken seriously

:aronrex:

littleorv posted:

Requesting the gif in reverse where he looks like a wizard

achillesforever6
Apr 23, 2012

psst you wanna do a communism?
I bet Lupa would like this one since it has a Cynthia Rothrock movie

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK
I'm kind of surprised they've never heard of Cynthia Rothrock. I thought she was pretty famous for a B movie star. Then again I could be in a different age cohort where Hong Kong imports were the thing you picked up at your local movie rental place. Just all martial arts imports, Cinemax style American titty action movies, weird poo poo horror, and the one time you picked up Faces of Death and then gave which ever friend suggested it poo poo for the next month.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

I wish she had a bigger role in Shanghai Express because that flick is incredible. But she did get to shine and have a really awesome fight scene with Sammo Hung. I would like to check out Righting Wrongs (or Above the Law) sometime. I've slowly been filling out my kung-fu collection.

poparena
Oct 31, 2012

I too am shocked THESE guys never heard of The Rothrock, but watching a bunch of guys become fans in real time was pretty neat.

Compendium
Jun 18, 2013

M-E-J-E-D
I thought this thread wouldn't necessarily talk about lovely people's personal lives even if they are lovely and also I miss MST3K chat.

I should rewatch some of Lupa's old Cynthia Rothrock movie reviews instead.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztZDVr3mZzg
AngryJoe does not like Battlefield Hardline. So how long before EA shitcans Visceral?

marathon Stairmaster sesh
Apr 28, 2009

ALL HAIL CEO NUGGET
1988-PRESENT

ACES CURE PLANES posted:

Oh thank Christ, a new Best of the Worst, save us from this, Rich Evans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NTaoheLMvM

You know what's not going to save you? A fan recreation of one of Jay's alterations of the Ishtar trailer by speeding/slowing it down from the Stream-A-Thon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKcvfPGORYI

Cyron
Mar 10, 2014

by zen death robot

Arcsquad12 posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztZDVr3mZzg
AngryJoe does not like Battlefield Hardline. So how long before EA shitcans Visceral?

I question EA releasing a fps game about cops after last year's events.

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nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Summon Table.

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